February 2017 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack, fragmentation and design information

by philippe.back＠highoctane.be

I miss the Squeak wiki Pharo style. Phil Le 10 fÃ©vr. 2017 19:06, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > 2017-02-10 14:59 GMT-03:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > > Mass adoption and hyper reduced friction to get people on board. > > > > For me: I have 10+ slack teams in my slack client and there is really no > > point in having more clients on the desktop. > > +1 to this. This is key. > > Maybe what we're missing is a simple wiki to collect the shared > knowledge, recipes, and other stuff. > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > >

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 60 need help on When-coding-in-the-debugger-I-get-an-error-sourceNodeExecuted

by stepharong

super tx denis. Stef > Fixed > > 2017-02-06 17:55 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19661/When-coding-in-the-debugger-I-get-a… >> >> Then I got a really strange problem when I was doing the counterexecise >> using the debugger. >> >> create a Test Case >> TestCase subclass: #CounterTest >> instanceVariableNames: '' >> classVariableNames: '' >> package: 'Counter' >> >> - addtestValueAtCreation >> self assert: (Counter new count: 10) count equals: 10 >> >> >> - ok to define classes >> - define count: in the class Counter >> - count: anInteger count := anInteger >> - Declare instance variable count >> >> NOW problemInstance of class did not understand count >> - ok to define it >> => Instance of IRMethod do not understand sourceNodeExecuted >> >> HAnging around instances >> >> ========== >> Then if I remove the Counter class and relaunch the tests I getInstance >> of anObsoleteCounter did not understandâ¦. > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault while installing Scale

by Andrey Tykhonov

Hello, > Hi, > We are looking at it with Santi. I see in the log that you're using an ubuntu 12? No, this is Gentoo Linux. > I tried in a debian jessie and Santi in an ubuntu 14 and we could not > reproduce it. Also the travis ci of scale uses ubuntu 12 and the > installation works in there... > Could you give more details about your system? Sure, but I'm not sure which exactly information will be useful, so, please clarify. For now, I'm sending you kernel version: $ uname -a Linux tp 4.9.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Jan 26 17:04:47 EET 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux > Thanks, Guille and Santi Thank you! -- Andriy

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault while installing Scale

by Andrey Tykhonov

Hi Clement, > Hi Andrey, > Thanks for providing both a way to reproduce and the log so we can have you > machine details. I see that the VM was compiled from build #589 on jenkins > with VMMaker.oscog-eem.1855 and you're on Linux using x86 back-end. > Scale works only on Linux and when I try the wget command from Mac it does > not work so I can't reproduce right now. > I suggest that for now you try to use one of the newer VMs (from > http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/linux/ , you're > using stable-20160504.zip, pick another one, It seems, the latest VM is downloaded. It is downloaded by means of the following command: wget -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash Does it download old VM. Is this script outdated? I suggest a more recent one > than from May last year, either stable-20160623.zip > or pharo-linux-i386itimer-201702061308-aa78f27.zip) and then use the > "classic installation" to be able to use another VM than the one downloaded > by the wget script until someone can have a look into your problem. Could you please help, where could I get Pharo.image file which is required to execute pharo/pharo-ui? If I use existing one (with a VM taken from either stable-20160623.zip or pharo-linux-i386itimer-201702061308-aa78f27.zip), the VM crashes. So, it seems, I need another Pharo.image as well, right? With the best regards, Andriy

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Segmentation fault while installing Scale

by Andrey Tykhonov

Hi stephane > can you tell us on which OS and version This is Gentoo Linux. There is no such a thing like a version. There are kernel and a lot of software. Kernel version: # uname -a Linux tp 4.9.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Jan 26 17:04:47 EET 2017 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2 I found crash.dmp near pharo-ui,.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Let me know please if I could provide more info on this matter. > and which VM do you use (there is a System report browser where you can find the information. It is downloaded by means of the command: wget -O - get.pharo.org/50+vm | bash AFAIU, the latest VM is downloaded by means of this command. I opened pharo-ui: ./pharo-ui Pharo.image > pharo.log and it was opened for a while, but it crashed when I tried to get information from System report browser. After that, I cannot open pharo-ui anymore. Two log files are attached to this email. Best regards, Andriy

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Slack, fragmentation and design information

by Dimitris Chloupis

Actually your numbers are pretty low #blendercoders indeed has 187 , but those are the actual C coders working on the blender source (which I do not do), so its an equivalent of our phraro-dev, the equivalent of pharo-users is #blender with 360 members and the #blenderpython with 70 members which are people like me that work on blender addons using python (all these are online users of course) BUT.... the blender community is enormous, its theorised since its impossible to know for sure that is around 1 million users, both professional and hobbists. As a result of this the community is highly fragmanted as all community of similar size are because they are impossible to be contained. In Discord I am on 2 blender servers one has 175 online users and the other 75 online users. As such I have little reason anymore to use IRC and especially Slack (the only thing in Slack of interest to me is Pharo). Also I am a game developer and Discord has become the default online chat tool for game developers and gamers aline the same way Slack has become the default online chat tool for developers. Unreal server I am using on Discord has over 1200 users online , countless dedicate channels and a great deal of Unreal game developers use Blender so for me Discord by far the best choice for what I am doing. Also a problem with IRC is that you see people that are online but they never say a word so they are online but always AFK. In Discord if you are afk there is a yellow icon to indicate that , from what I am seeing people participating in Discord tend to be far more active than people participating in IRC. On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:46 PM Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > I just saw Blender developers seems to use IRC (#blendercoders @ > irc.freenode.net) 187 users. Ruby too at #ruby 917 users > > Le 10/02/2017 Ã 12:29, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > > e) for personal reason.... all my favorite software (Blender, Unreal > > etc) is using it > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack, fragmentation and design information

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2017-02-10 14:59 GMT-03:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > Mass adoption and hyper reduced friction to get people on board. > > For me: I have 10+ slack teams in my slack client and there is really no > point in having more clients on the desktop. +1 to this. This is key. Maybe what we're missing is a simple wiki to collect the shared knowledge, recipes, and other stuff. Esteban A. Maringolo

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack, fragmentation and design information

by phil＠highoctane.be

Mass adoption and hyper reduced friction to get people on board. For me: I have 10+ slack teams in my slack client and there is really no point in having more clients on the desktop. Phil On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Please excuse my ignorance but what are the advantages of Slack over > other instant messaging system like IRC or Jabber? > > Hilaire > > Le 10/02/2017 Ã 10:27, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : > > The past year we have started using Slack to communicate in real-time > > about Pharo. It has nice (mobile) clients and makes it easy to share > > pictures and snippets. As a result a large part of the communication > about > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Slack, fragmentation and design information

by Hilaire

I just saw Blender developers seems to use IRC (#blendercoders @ irc.freenode.net) 187 users. Ruby too at #ruby 917 users Le 10/02/2017 Ã 12:29, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > e) for personal reason.... all my favorite software (Blender, Unreal > etc) is using it -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Feb. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack, fragmentation and design information

by Hilaire

Please excuse my ignorance but what are the advantages of Slack over other instant messaging system like IRC or Jabber? Hilaire Le 10/02/2017 Ã 10:27, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : > The past year we have started using Slack to communicate in real-time > about Pharo. It has nice (mobile) clients and makes it easy to share > pictures and snippets. As a result a large part of the communication about -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Feb. 10, 2017