January 2017 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] About printing without having ""

by stepharong

Ok then it is good for me. Now I had no idea how to discover it. Stef > Hi, > > The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now. > > Try this: > - type 42 > - press Cmd+p > - press Cmd+p > > It produces: > > > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT >> have "" when we print a result in the tool. >> What is the status? >> This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing >> tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of >> my expression result. >> >> We got an long discussion and now how it is handled? >> I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that >> people believe that they are heard but do not care. >> >> Stef >> >> --Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > âSoftware has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many." > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About printing without having ""

by stepharong

> it would be nice if print was removed completely and instead be replaced > with an embedded inspector, but then thats just a dream of mine of > workspace , system browser and inspector integrated >in one tool and one > GUI. I have no problem that people invent new approaches but not at the expenses of breaking working flow. And I do not see how what you propose can help me in my case. Stef > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now. >> >> Here is the last discussion I know of... >> http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-… >> >>> >>> Try this: >>> - type 42 >>> - press Cmd+p >>> - press Cmd+p >> >> <snip> >> >> Stef, does that work for you? >> One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected >> and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready >> to type " equals: " >> >> The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to >> delete,since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the >> popup. >> >> cheers -ben >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to >>>> NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool. >>>> What is the status? >>>> This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing >>>> tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of >>>> my expression result. >>>> >>>> We got an long discussion and now how it is handled? >>>> I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that >>>> people believe that they are heard but do not care. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> --Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> âSoftware has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many." >>> -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About printing without having ""

by Dimitris Chloupis

it would be nice if print was removed completely and instead be replaced with an embedded inspector, but then thats just a dream of mine of workspace , system browser and inspector integrated in one tool and one GUI. On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now. > > > Here is the last discussion I know of... > > http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-… > > > > Try this: > - type 42 > - press Cmd+p > - press Cmd+p > > > <snip> > > Stef, does that work for you? > One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected > and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready to > type " equals: " > > The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to delete, > since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the popup. > > cheers -ben > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT > have "" when we print a result in the tool. > What is the status? > This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. > I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my > expression result. > > We got an long discussion and now how it is handled? > I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people > believe that they are heard but do not care. > > Stef > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > âSoftware has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many." > >

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] pharo by example 50

by Dimitris Chloupis

no idea why its named zero, I gave it the name "Pharo By Example 5" in the github repo, probably a mistake ? I agree "50" makes no sense. On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 5:13 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Some feedback on the download page... > http://files.pharo.org/books/updated-pharo-by-example/ > > The four uses of use of "50" there feels out of place, since I can't > help reading it as "fifty" rather than the (I presume) intended > "five-zero". Perhaps insert a dot, or drop the zero. > > cheers -ben > >

Jan. 28, 2017

pharo by example 50

by Ben Coman

Some feedback on the download page... http://files.pharo.org/books/updated-pharo-by-example/ The four uses of use of "50" there feels out of place, since I can't help reading it as "fifty" rather than the (I presume) intended "five-zero". Perhaps insert a dot, or drop the zero. cheers -ben

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About printing without having ""

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now. > Here is the last discussion I know of... http://forum.world.st/when-Cmd-P-can-just-display-a-string-in-the-debugger-… > > Try this: > - type 42 > - press Cmd+p > - press Cmd+p > <snip> Stef, does that work for you? One minor improvement could be leaving the inserted result unselected and instead place the cursor to the left of the inserted result, ready to type " equals: " The inserted result doesn't need to remain selected to be easy to delete, since the user could already have used <Backspace> to delete the popup. cheers -ben > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT > have "" when we print a result in the tool. > What is the status? > This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. > I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my > expression result. > > We got an long discussion and now how it is handled? > I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people > believe that they are heard but do not care. > > Stef > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > âSoftware has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many." > >

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About printing without having ""

by Peter Uhnak

There has been discussion about that too, but the resolution was that it was a feature or something. http://forum.world.st/Keep-print-it-output-on-the-same-line-in-GTPlayground… so I use my solution mentioned there in a startup script ( https://github.com/peteruhnak/pharo-scripts/blob/master/config/5.0/inline-p… ) Peter On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 10:30:04AM +0100, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > I also don't like "next line" behavior when result inserted at next line > instead of cursor position > > 28 ÑÐ½Ð². 2017 Ð³. 9:28 AM Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°ÑÐµÐ»Ñ "stepharong" <stepharong(a)free.fr> > Ð½Ð°Ð¿Ð¸ÑÐ°Ð»: > > > Hi > > > > this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT > > have "" when we print a result in the tool. > > What is the status? > > This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. > > I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my > > expression result. > > > > We got an long discussion and now how it is handled? > > I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people > > believe that they are heard but do not care. > > > > Stef > > > > -- > > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > >

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] About printing without having ""

by Tudor Girba

Hi, The solution we agreed upon was integrated since quite some time now. Try this: - type 42 - press Cmd+p - press Cmd+p It produces: Cheers, Doru > On Jan 28, 2017, at 9:27 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi > > this is nearly more than a year that I ask if we can have a way to NOT have "" when we print a result in the tool. > What is the status? > This %#$&^$&*(&)**&^$%#$&%*^&( popup BREAKS the flow when writing tests. I'm FED UP to have to remove the " at the beginning and end of my expression result. > > We got an long discussion and now how it is handled? > I have the impression that the strategy here is to make sure that people believe that they are heard but do not care. > > Stef > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com âSoftware has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Calypso update: method browser and better UI

by Hilaire

This specific point is terribly super cool! Thanks Le 20/01/2017 Ã 14:12, Denis Kudriashov a Ã©crit : > - senders/implementors by source code shortcuts in method browser are > now opened in new tabs instead of separate window. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-dev] AlreadyInPharo5

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi Ben, the meaing is opposite. It means that the bug is present already in Pharo 5 so we made already a release with it and such case is probably not a showstopper. The other tag is NewInPharo6. Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-01-28 5:18 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > Hi Pavel, > > Just curious about the AlreadyInPharo5 tag being added to Issues you > are sorting. > For issue 14800 "AthensCanvas clipRect oddity" for example > I would guess its not in Pharo 5. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14800 > > cheers -ben > >

Jan. 28, 2017