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Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] edd9f3: 60220

by Nicolai Hess

2016-09-15 8:12 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi, > > > On Sep 15, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > > > > >>> > >>> We can change it back and maybe add support for the reformatter to not > convert it to the literal array #(3 #+ 4) . > >> > >> I do not know in fact this is why I asked :) > >> Now may be my idea to use pragma to get something like pythondoctest is > a bad idea > >> but I really want to have literal programming. > >> What do you think? > >> > > I like the idea to show examples/tests close to code, but pragmas are > not really good... > > > >> If we have ' ' then it would be good that the syntax higlighter works > with a special mode inside the ' ' > > > > it is just a string. How do you know that it contains code? > > > > Would you highlight all string in all code as if it contained code? Or > would you add this just for > > Pragmas? But even there, strings are string, not code. > > > > I think we can conclude that pragmas are not a good solution to the > problem, as they are far > > too limited to express code. > > I second that. > > Furthermore, typical examples require more than one liners, and these > should be factored out separately. > I really like the one liners that you can find im some method comments, like in Color class>>#wheel: if you are new to pharo and start exploring the system, it makes fun to see these little one lines and just execute it. (even if they aren't onelines like in some method in class Form). > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Every thing should have the right to be different." > > > > > >

Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] edd9f3: 60220

by Nicolai Hess

2016-09-14 21:24 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > Hi nicolai >> >> Why we should not accept >> >> foo >> <func: (3+4) res:0> >> ^ self >> >> and be forced to put around '' >> >> foo >> < func: '(3+4)' res: 0 > >> ^ self >> >> I understand that we store literal but why you do not like it :). >> > > First of all, the old compiler did not accept this. And I am a bit > sensitive about changes, we allow a different syntax > just because RB happens to allow this (and maybe no one knows why or it > just does not happens on purpose). > > > valid point. > > > And another reason, even without my fix, if we don't put quotes around > that expression, the reformatting the source will convert this to: > > foo > <func: #(3 #+ 4) res: 0> > ^ self > > What I noticed is that I could not write > > foo > <expr: 3 + 4 result: 7> > > but it worked when I put () so I did it in the new code I wrote. > > And, even if (3+4) looks like an expression, it is just a list of literals > something like this: > > foo > <func: ([[[}}}) res:0> > ^ self > > would be allowed too. > > This one is ugly > > But of course this is only my own opinion :) > > We can change it back and maybe add support for the reformatter to not > convert it to the literal array #(3 #+ 4) . > > > I do not know in fact this is why I asked :) > Now may be my idea to use pragma to get something like pythondoctest is a > bad idea > but I really want to have literal programming. > What do you think? > So, until know, I didn't really know what pythondoctest is about. I first thought the "test" is about unit tests and thought our way how we can generate or jump from methods to the corresponding is better, but know I understand that it is about "perform regression testing by verifying that interactive examples are working" And that is of course a good idea. > > If we have ' ' then it would be good that the syntax higlighter works with > a special mode inside the ' ' > Not for pragma arguments, I think this would be confusing. I did some expreiments with formatting code in comments. I 'll write shortly about it. > > > nicolai > > > >> Stef >> >> >> 60220 >>> 19086 do not allow expressions as pragma arguments >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19086 >>> >> >> >> > >

Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 4d8aa6: 60226

by stepharo

This change break the miniimage. I will check with pavel. Stef Le 15/9/16 Ã 22:05, GitHub a Ã©crit : > Branch: refs/heads/6.0 > Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core > Commit: 4d8aa66f6cb150f6aef66a9d807106bb89404cf5 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/4d8aa66f6cb150f6aef66a9d… > Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> > Date: 2016-09-15 (Thu, 15 Sep 2016) > > Changed paths: > M FontChooser.package/AbstractFontSelectorDialogWindow.class/class/icons/taskbarIcon.st > M Glamour-Morphic-Theme.package/GLMUIThemeExtraIcons.class/class/icons/glamorousAccept.st > M Glamour-Morphic-Theme.package/GLMUIThemeExtraIcons.class/class/icons/glamorousAdd.st > M Glamour-Morphic-Theme.package/GLMUIThemeExtraIcons.class/class/icons/glamorousAlarm.st > M Glamour-Morphic-Theme.package/GLMUIThemeExtraIcons.class/class/icons/glamorousBookmark.st > M Glamour-Morphic-Theme.package/GLMUIThemeExtraIcons.class/class/icons/glamorousBrowse.st > M 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Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Call for design for a literal programming doc similar to PythonDocTest

by Tudor Girba

Hi, I think this is an interesting idea. However, one thing to keep in mind is that one reason why these solutions exist is because they assume no UI environment. Thus, the only thing they have is text and the solution is built around it. In Pharo, we can think of concatenating information in the environment. If we have a casual connection between examples and the code they exemplify, the interface can provide all this information at the same time. The advantage here is that the syntax remains simple. At the same time, we also want to have Pillar more thoroughly supported in our tools. Could it be that we could extend Pillar to support literate programming? Cheers, Doru > On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:45 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi all > > I want something similar in the spirit to PythonDocTest https://docs.python.org/2/library/doctest.html > > I'm talking about > > basename > "Returns the base of the basename, > i.e. > /foo/gloops.taz basename is 'gloops.taz' > / basename is '/'" > > Pragmas do not work well i.e., > basename > "Returns the base of the basename" > <expr: '''/foo/gloops.taz'' asFileReference basename' result: 'gloops.taz'> > > > We should invent a syntax to be put inside comments and that we can easily parse because we need to improve > the use and discovery of the library. > > I was thinking about > > basename > "Returns the base of the basename" > " > '/foo/gloops.taz' asFileReference basename > >>> 'gloops.taz' > " > > Do you have any idea? > > I cannot not do anything and just complain that our methods are not that well documented. > We as a community should take this and build an super cool system. > > I tried and defined >>> on Object to see if it works! > > Object >>> aResultingObject > "If the method comment contains >>> then it is a pharo documentated test. We can check that it is true." > > " > '/foo/gloops.taz' asFileReference basename > >>> 'gloops.taz' > " > > ^ self = aResultingObject > > > Stef > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "It's not how it is, it is how we see it."

Sept. 15, 2016

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Branch: refs/tags/60226 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Sept. 15, 2016

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 4d8aa6: 60226

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Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] edd9f3: 60220

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Given the current interest, I am raising the issue of GTExample again. I sent a while ago a thorough description of the current solution: http://gtoolkit.org/doc/Examples/examples.html The goal is to provide documentation for all methods and classes both by allowing simple examples (plain unary methods) and offering the potential of doing more than just simple things. Except for Nicolai, there was no other feedback. Is there an interest to have a conversation about it? Cheers, Doru > On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:40 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >>> Would you highlight all string in all code as if it contained code? Or would you add this just for >>> Pragmas? But even there, strings are string, not code. > and then? you try and if it failed then in not code and you do not highlight it. > KISS. No? >>> I think we can conclude that pragmas are not a good solution to the problem, as they are far >>> too limited to express code. >> I second that. >> Furthermore, typical examples require more than one liners, and these should be factored out separately. > > I'm talking about > > basename > "Returns the base of the basename, > i.e. > /foo/gloops.taz basename is 'gloops.taz' > / basename is '/'" > > I do not think that it makes sense to have a separate example for this. > Because you want to read everything > > > I do not see why the following would not work. > basename > "Returns the base of the basename" > <expr: '''/foo/gloops.taz'' asFileReference basename' result: 'gloops.taz'> > > Now I hate the extra ' for strings. > We should invent a syntax to be put inside comments and that we can easily parse because we need to improve > the use and discovery of the library. > > basename > "Returns the base of the basename" > " > '/foo/gloops.taz' asFileReference basename > >>> 'gloops.taz' > " > > I cannot not do anything and just complain that our methods are not that well documented. > We as a community should take this and build an super cool system. > > > Stef > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Innovation comes in the least expected form. That is, if it is expected, it already happened."

Sept. 15, 2016

need new pharo features for phratch and community

by jannik laval

Hi pharoers, regularly, I have french teachers that ask me for new addons for phratch. These teachers don't like Scratch 2 or Snap! because of latency or used language or because it needs a web browser... I have 3 important points that I cannot answer because of a lack of time: - having phratch on RPi - making Arduino working with phratch - having sound working on linux and RPi These features do not depends on phratch but on pharo. I use fully functions of pharo. But I don't have time to develop now on that. Could someone help me ? Thank you Jannik -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Enseignant-chercheur Responsable PÃ©dagogique Licence Coordonnateur de Projet en SystÃ¨me d'Information IUT LumiÃ¨re, UniversitÃ© Lyon LumiÃ¨re laboratoire DISP http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://www.approchealpes.info

Sept. 15, 2016

Call for design for a literal programming doc similar to PythonDocTest

by stepharo

Hi all I want something similar in the spirit to PythonDocTest https://docs.python.org/2/library/doctest.html I'm talking about basename "Returns the base of the basename, i.e. /foo/gloops.taz basename is 'gloops.taz' / basename is '/'" Pragmas do not work well i.e., basename "Returns the base of the basename" <expr: '''/foo/gloops.taz'' asFileReference basename' result: 'gloops.taz'> We should invent a syntax to be put inside comments and that we can easily parse because we need to improve the use and discovery of the library. I was thinking about basename "Returns the base of the basename" " '/foo/gloops.taz' asFileReference basename >>> 'gloops.taz' " Do you have any idea? I cannot not do anything and just complain that our methods are not that well documented. We as a community should take this and build an super cool system. I tried and defined >>> on Object to see if it works! Object >>> aResultingObject "If the method comment contains >>> then it is a pharo documentated test. We can check that it is true." " '/foo/gloops.taz' asFileReference basename >>> 'gloops.taz' " ^ self = aResultingObject Stef

Sept. 15, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] edd9f3: 60220

by stepharo

>> Would you highlight all string in all code as if it contained code? Or would you add this just for >> Pragmas? But even there, strings are string, not code. and then? you try and if it failed then in not code and you do not highlight it. KISS. No? >> I think we can conclude that pragmas are not a good solution to the problem, as they are far >> too limited to express code. > I second that. > Furthermore, typical examples require more than one liners, and these should be factored out separately. I'm talking about basename "Returns the base of the basename, i.e. /foo/gloops.taz basename is 'gloops.taz' / basename is '/'" I do not think that it makes sense to have a separate example for this. Because you want to read everything I do not see why the following would not work. basename "Returns the base of the basename" <expr: '''/foo/gloops.taz'' asFileReference basename' result: 'gloops.taz'> Now I hate the extra ' for strings. We should invent a syntax to be put inside comments and that we can easily parse because we need to improve the use and discovery of the library. basename "Returns the base of the basename" " '/foo/gloops.taz' asFileReference basename >>> 'gloops.taz' " I cannot not do anything and just complain that our methods are not that well documented. We as a community should take this and build an super cool system. Stef

Sept. 15, 2016