March 2016 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Access environment

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Jan, Did you see OSPlatform current environment ? Sven > On 11 Mar 2016, at 09:35, Jan KurÅ¡ <kurs(a)iam.unibe.ch> wrote: > > Hi, > > To access environment, I found this command in the mailing list: > > OSProcess thisOSProcess environment > > But the OSProcess is not by default in the Pharo. Is there some reason for this? Is there some better way to access environment? > > Do I need to add this dependency to my project? > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'OSProcess'; > package: 'OSProcess'; > load. > > Regards, > Jan >

March 11, 2016

Access environment

by Jan KurÅ¡

Hi, To access environment, I found this command in the mailing list: OSProcess thisOSProcess environment But the OSProcess is not by default in the Pharo. Is there some reason for this? Is there some better way to access environment? Do I need to add this dependency to my project? Gofer new squeaksource: 'OSProcess'; package: 'OSProcess'; load. Regards, Jan

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by philippe.back＠highoctane.be

And that woukd be a nice thing to hack on during PharoDays. On Mar 11, 2016 9:22 AM, "philippe.back(a)highoctane.be" < philippe.back(a)gmail.com> wrote: > STH can be fixed. This is more like some data problem. > > Who can look at the system to identify issues? Is this a Mongo issue? > > Phil > On Mar 11, 2016 8:17 AM, "Serge Stinckwich" <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:08 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >> >>> >> >>> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just >> after >> >>> we created an account. >> >>> This already happened to me during the open-devs. >> >>> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will >> >>> gave up just after the first lecture :( >> >> >> >> The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ >> > >> > >> > But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc? >> > And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we >> say >> > it :( >> >> Yes this is real annoying problem ... Maybe you can ask Gemstone to >> support the MOOC >> with a dedicated ss3 instance (or use ss3). >> >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >> >>

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by philippe.back＠highoctane.be

STH can be fixed. This is more like some data problem. Who can look at the system to identify issues? Is this a Mongo issue? Phil On Mar 11, 2016 8:17 AM, "Serge Stinckwich" <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:08 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > > > > Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : > >>> > >>> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just > after > >>> we created an account. > >>> This already happened to me during the open-devs. > >>> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will > >>> gave up just after the first lecture :( > >> > >> The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > > > > > > But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc? > > And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we > say > > it :( > > Yes this is real annoying problem ... Maybe you can ask Gemstone to > support the MOOC > with a dedicated ss3 instance (or use ss3). > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ > >

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by Serge Stinckwich

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:08 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >>> >>> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after >>> we created an account. >>> This already happened to me during the open-devs. >>> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will >>> gave up just after the first lecture :( >> >> The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > > > But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc? > And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we say > it :( Yes this is real annoying problem ... Maybe you can ask Gemstone to support the MOOC with a dedicated ss3 instance (or use ss3). -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by stepharo

THIS IS NOT THE POINT. THE POINT IS THAT WE WORKED LIKE MAD TO OFFER MOOC AND GET EXPOSURE AND IF SMALLTALKHUB DOES NOT WORK IT DEFEATS OUR GOAL Am'i clear? Stef Le 10/3/16 23:04, Peter UhnÃ¡k a Ã©crit : > > If they know git - yes. Otherwise git is very complicated. But at > least we will be able to say that this is not our fault. > > > Software students not knowing git in this day and ageâ¦ is just sad. > > Git can get very complicated if you are going very deep, but then > again that's true for any powerful tool, language, or system.

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by stepharo

Le 11/3/16 03:22, monty a Ã©crit : > There's also the option of SS3 skinned to look like STH. We also really need TLS. what is TSL? > > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 5:33 PM > From: "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> > To: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation > > SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues. > e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a contributor. > Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation. > > We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key part of our infrastructure. > > Phil > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account. >> This already happened to me during the open-devs. >> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :( > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > >> - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: >> students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote >> >> State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName… > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu[http://www.bergel.eu] > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > >

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by stepharo

Me too and olivier too on our own projects! Stef Le 10/3/16 23:33, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues. > e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a > contributor. > Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation. > > We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key > part of our infrastructure. > > Phil > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > > - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub > just after we created an account. > > This already happened to me during the open-devs. > > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because > people will gave up just after the first lecture :( > > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > > > - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: > > students were manipulating object with name such as state of > state machine and one wrote > > > > State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by stepharo

Le 10/3/16 22:14, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account. >> This already happened to me during the open-devs. >> So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :( > The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ But will we have to answer 100 of problems during the mooc? And if people drop after just because they cannot save their code as we say it :( > >> - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: >> students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote >> >> State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. > I have just created an issue: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName it was deprecated and turn into setName: but I think that setClassName: is better. > > Alexandre

March 11, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation

by monty

There's also the option of SS3 skinned to look like STH. We also really need TLS. Sent:Â Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 5:33 PM From:Â "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> To:Â "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject:Â Re: [Pharo-dev] feedback from yet another student presentation SmalltalkHub looks like to have issues. e.g. Hilaire not being able to access the Mold project despite being a contributor.Â Removing/adding him didn't change much to the situation. Â We need to have more resources focusing on it as this is now a key part of our infrastructure. Â Phil Â On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote:> - it was reallllly hard to register a project on smalltalkhub just after we created an account. > This already happened to me during the open-devs. > So this is a really big show stopper for the mooc. Because people will gave up just after the first lecture :( The situation will be much easier I hope once git is well supportedâ¦ > - we should really rename Class>>name: into setClassName: > students were manipulating object with name such as state of state machine and one wrote > > State name: 'A' and just rename the class and broke the system. I have just created an issue: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17798/Rename-Class-name-into-setClassName… Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre BergelÂ http://www.bergel.eu[http://www.bergel.eu] ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. Â

March 11, 2016