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Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-12-23 18:13 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Passerini <npasserini(a)gmail.com>: > Moreover, is it possible to consider a design that could allow Iceberg or > other tools to contribute older versions from repository? I don't know. I not look into code

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Nicolas Passerini

I agree, current version is not intuitive. Moreover, is it possible to consider a design that could allow Iceberg or other tools to contribute older versions from repository? 2016-12-23 16:16 GMT+01:00 Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com>: > > 2016-12-23 16:04 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > >> >> In short, what you describe replaces a non-obvious, arbitrary pane >> allocation by another one... maybe just more familiar to you. > > > No. I suggest current image version on left pane with visible label > "current version". And selected version on the right pane. > Also when you will switch from one version to another left pane will be > never changed which will be visible and intuitive indication that new > selected method is on the right pane because only right pane will change. >

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-12-23 16:04 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > > In short, what you describe replaces a non-obvious, arbitrary pane > allocation by another one... maybe just more familiar to you. No. I suggest current image version on left pane with visible label "current version". And selected version on the right pane. Also when you will switch from one version to another left pane will be never changed which will be visible and intuitive indication that new selected method is on the right pane because only right pane will change.

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Q: any work around ROS has been done on Pharo?

by stepharong

Hi igor Pharos is developed at Ecole des Mines de Douai by Noury, Luc and Santiago was working on it during 1,5 years. Noury Bouraqadi <noury.bouraqadi(a)mines-douai.fr> Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> Stef On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:38:29 +0100, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > i wonder, are there any projects to run/connect Pharo with ROS(robot > operating system) > i'm interested in any bits, starting from basic ones, > since i'm gonna to work with it in closest future, so would be nice to > use Pharo > & stand on a shoulders of others, of course, to learn it fester and > understand it better. > > --Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by stepharong

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:04:45 +0100, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Le 23/12/2016 Ã 14:27, Denis Kudriashov a Ã©crit : >> Hi. >> >> I always catch myself that I am completely lost in method versions (and >> feel pain :)). >> There is no clue what at the left pane and what at the right pane. > > Agreed. > > I often revert to a wrong version... me too :) > >> Now I realize that VersionBrowser is trying to compare selected version >> versus next version (according to list order). >> So right pane shows selected version and left pane shows next one. >> For me all of these is super non intuitive but maybe it is only my >> problem. So here I want to ask about your experience. Do you feel same? >> >> I would prefer if VersionBrowser will always compare selected version >> versus current version in image with actual image version on the left >> and selected version on the right. > > Any solution which doesn't require me to guess which pane relate to what > I want to revert to has my vote. > > In short, what you describe replaces a non-obvious, arbitrary pane > allocation by another one... maybe just more familiar to you. > >> What you think? > > That you are suggesting a solution which is maybe a bit more intuitive > for you, but not that intuitive. > > Regards, > > Thierry > >> Best regards, >> Denis > > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Thierry Goubier

Le 23/12/2016 Ã 14:27, Denis Kudriashov a Ã©crit : > Hi. > > I always catch myself that I am completely lost in method versions (and > feel pain :)). > There is no clue what at the left pane and what at the right pane. Agreed. I often revert to a wrong version... > Now I realize that VersionBrowser is trying to compare selected version > versus next version (according to list order). > So right pane shows selected version and left pane shows next one. > For me all of these is super non intuitive but maybe it is only my > problem. So here I want to ask about your experience. Do you feel same? > > I would prefer if VersionBrowser will always compare selected version > versus current version in image with actual image version on the left > and selected version on the right. Any solution which doesn't require me to guess which pane relate to what I want to revert to has my vote. In short, what you describe replaces a non-obvious, arbitrary pane allocation by another one... maybe just more familiar to you. > What you think? That you are suggesting a solution which is maybe a bit more intuitive for you, but not that intuitive. Regards, Thierry > Best regards, > Denis

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-12-23 14:34 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: > But you can always select a version an choose > compare with current > from the context menu. > Ok. Does not know about it :). Now I tried it and it not helps me a lot. It opens new window without any way to revert changes (or others) and without any clue who is who (no label what is left and what is right) And when I closed it I was again lost in versions list. Also there is menu item "Compare to version" with same no clue window. Really this menu is useless. VersionBrowser should just also multi selection to show difference between selected versions. And by default it should compare to current one.

Dec. 23, 2016

[ANN] Pharo Sprint First half 2017

by Marcus Denker

Hi, As this year, there will be again âPharo Sprintsâ next year. At these dates we meet (virtual or real) to work on boring (or complex) issues together: Jan 27 Mar 3 Mar 31 Apr 28 May 26 Jun 30 Local sprints: - University of Chile (DCC). Not January, but likely the other dates - Inria Lille: All - Remote: All. We will try to improve remote sprint experience next year! - The sprints will be added to https://association.pharo.org/events Marcus

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Nicolai Hess

Am 23.12.2016 2:28 nachm. schrieb "Denis Kudriashov" <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com>: Hi. I always catch myself that I am completely lost in method versions (and feel pain :)). There is no clue what at the left pane and what at the right pane. Now I realize that VersionBrowser is trying to compare selected version versus next version (according to list order). So right pane shows selected version and left pane shows next one. For me all of these is super non intuitive but maybe it is only my problem. So here I want to ask about your experience. Do you feel same? I would prefer if VersionBrowser will always compare selected version versus current version in image with actual image version on the left and selected version on the right. What you think? Best regards, Denis But you can always select a version an choose compare with current from the context menu.

Dec. 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you think VersionBrowser is counterintuitive?

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-12-23 14:27 GMT+01:00 Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com>: > I would prefer if VersionBrowser will always compare selected version > versus current version in image with actual image version on the left and > selected version on the right. > Also I think it is better to not show current method in versions list. I am very often revert it instead of real previous version. It's super annoying.

Dec. 23, 2016