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Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo bootstrap
by Craig Latta
> From my perspective, I am very frustrated to not be able to use:
>
> - Context in Pharo
> - Your remote running of tiny images in my Pharo browser (including
> the sonar ping sound when messages are landing remotely)
> - Using WebDav for looking into my images using your WebDav component
Cool, that's all planned for this year (in reverse order).
thanks,
-C
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Craig Latta
netjam.org
+31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
+ 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
Jan. 22, 2016
[pharo-project/pharo-core] 082dae: 50539
by GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/5.0
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Commit: 082dae8a9b6bf05b6a37ad4587f5b699d9fc3f05
https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/082dae8a9b6bf05b6a37ad45…
Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org>
Date: 2016-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2016)
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17429 QualityAssistant v2.3
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17429
http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50539.zip
Jan. 22, 2016
[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/50539
Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] another spotter question
by Yuriy Tymchuk
I think that it is really hard to figure out that the arrow is clickable if you do res shift and see it highlighted. I mean, it doesnât look like a button or anything specialâ¦
Cheers!
Uko
> On 22 Jan 2016, at 11:08, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was talking about clickable arrow to open preview ;)
>
> On Jan 22, 2016 10:47 AM, "stepharo" <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote:
> Hi aliaksei
>
>> Hi Stef
>>
>> I saw an early version of Spotter with arrows near each item and it was IMHO awful. But still, pencils taste differently for each of us ;)
>>
>
> I do not know. May be the arrow should not be on every element but just on the group/category
> may be the colors should be deemed.
>
>> I can agree with you that people "do not get how to use spotter". However it depends on how we define "use spotter". From my prospective almost all do understand how to use main feature: searching.
>> I think the whole discussion is about more advanced features.
>>
> No it is about frustration.
> I get a list in front of my nose and I have no clue how to access it. I click on it and it does not work.
> I have to read blog to see something and I have no clue how to obtain the same result.
> This kind of thing.
>
>> Let's talk about how to open preview(pane to the right) in context of learnability which consists of multiple design principles. During our analysis we will try to determinate violated ones and see how they can be fixed.
>>
>> a) Familiarity. It consists of guessability which is surely violated - I can not imagine anyone who could guess that in order to open preview she should click on arrow to the right of the item (I talk about intentional click, not random one to see what will happen).
>>
> ok
>
>> Second part describes how prior knowledge applies to new system. If we would take Pharo as new system, then principle is finally busted because I never saw such behaviour anywhere else - it was invented in spotter. If new system would be spotter in context of Pharo, then still violated as clicking on arrow is not used anywhere else in Pharo.
>>
> If you put a little triangular icons on top of the arrow then people will certainly undertsand that they can click on it.
>
> My point is ask yourself why many people do not know how to open the pane.
> I could not find it. Once I got it I asked around and really few people know it.
>> Possible way to fix familiarity principle is to spread usage of arrow to the whole Pharo (or world) or to modify its design to improve guessability by adding preview icon/label/whatever on the arrow.
>>
>> b) Generalizability. Meaning that user can extend specific interaction knowledge to new situations. Clicking on arrow is only used in one place in spotter - so there is no chance for user to extend not existing knowledge. Violated.
>>
>> Fix is similar to familiarity - clicking on arrow to expand/open new pane should be used in more places.
>>
> I do not think.
>
>> c) Predictability. Consists of determinism and operation visibility. Determinism is not violated because effect of clicking on arrow can be immediately observed by user. However, operation visibility is violated - arrow does not change depending whether preview is available or not.
>>
>> To fix operation visibility we need to change arrow color/icon depending on availability of preview.
>>
>
> You do not reply to the point that to see that I can interact with a group of element I have to select the first one.
> Currently it only work because some people use arrows. I never because there are at the bottom of my keyboard.
>
>> d) Synthesisability. Not violated - user can easily observe effect of past operations. Preview has only two states: on and off.
>>
>> e) Consistency. We can not say anything, because there are no similar situations in the system.
>>
>> To conclude, an action to open preview should be improved. The most easiest fix would be to add something on top of arrow to make it obvious (improve guessability) what clicking does.
>>
> yes to improve the fact that we may click on something.
>> More preferred one IMHO is to expose arrow usecases and teach users so that generalizability would start playing a role.
>>
> I do not get it.
> You should understand that Pharo can be used with a mouse.
>> Sorry for long email
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 20/1/16 14:30, Aliaksei Syrel a écrit :
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Ben Coman < <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>btc(a)openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> wrote:
>>> +1. Its annoying that it takes two clicks to dive into categories like "Implementors" (one to click an item under the category to make the arrow appear, and then another to click on it) when it would only take one if that arrow for each category was always visible.
>>>
>>> Doru is right, always visible arrows would pollute UI.
>> I do not see why.
>> A user interface is not something that we should click randomly at to learn how to use it.
>>
>>> A compromise solution would be to show them on mouse hover - one click + not overcrowded interface.
>>
>> may be
>> but you can ask yourselves why so many people do not get how to use Spotter.
>> I asked again today to people how to show the pane on the right and nobody knew obviously.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alex
>>
>
> <IMG_20160122_110543.jpg>
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] GitHub API Bindings: new version
by Hernán Morales Durand
2016-01-22 8:13 GMT-03:00 Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr>:
> Thanks Hernán for your report.
> As Sven said, it is not yet present in the stable version of NeoJSON.
> But it should not matter as I load the bleeding-edge version.
>
> I will look into this.
> Can you tell me which script you used to load the tool? Is it the one in
> the first e-mail?
>
Yes, I used the script in your first e-mail
Hernán
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <
> hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Skip,
>
> Trying your tool in Windows 8.1 and Pharo 5. I wrote my username and
> password and this is what I get:
>
> MessageNotUnderstood: NeoJSONObjectMapping>>allowNil
> (there is no implementor of #allowNil)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hernán
>
>
> 2016-01-21 7:30 GMT-03:00 Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr>:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am announcing a new version for the API bindings to GitHub in Pharo.
>> For documentation and information on how to load it, see the new project
>> homepage:
>>
>> https://balletie.github.io/GitHub/ (generated with Pillar. Plug for
>> Damien and Cyril)
>>
>> For a list of changes in this release, follow this link:
>> https://github.com/Balletie/GitHub/releases/tag/v0.5
>>
>> To load absolutely everything, including the tests and the tool, evaluate:
>>
>> Metacello new
>> baseline: 'GitHub';
>> repository: 'github://Balletie/GitHub:master';
>> load: #(tests tool)
>>
>> If you have loaded the tool, it can be opened via the world
>> menu, under âToolsâ.
>>
>> Feedback welcome :)
>>
>
>
>
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] GitHub API Bindings: new version
by Skip Lentz
That sounds like the most probable source of the problem.
Thanks Sven for the new version, I will update my configuration (or âBaselineOfâ).
Hernán, maybe you can try loading it in a new image to see if you get the same problem?
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> If there is already a version of NeoJSON in the image the new version can be skip (ahah!) during the loading. I had this problem before, I had to load the bleeding edge in a new image.
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016, Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr <mailto:skip.lentz@inria.fr>> wrote:
> Thanks Hernán for your report.
> As Sven said, it is not yet present in the stable version of NeoJSON.
> But it should not matter as I load the bleeding-edge version.
>
> I will look into this.
> Can you tell me which script you used to load the tool? Is it the one in the first e-mail?
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Cyril Ferlicot
>
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] GitHub API Bindings: new version
by Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 22 Jan 2016, at 12:42, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> If there is already a version of NeoJSON in the image the new version can be skip (ahah!) during the loading. I had this problem before, I had to load the bleeding edge in a new image.
Yes, I've seen that too, the mysteries of Metacello ;-)
===
Name: ConfigurationOfNeoJSON-SvenVanCaekenberghe.16
Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe
Time: 22 January 2016, 12:59:31.613337 pm
UUID: 01f3f962-be93-4c82-8202-811cb23ee382
Ancestors: ConfigurationOfNeoJSON-SvenVanCaekenberghe.15
new #stable version 12
===
>
> On Friday, January 22, 2016, Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr> wrote:
> Thanks Hernán for your report.
> As Sven said, it is not yet present in the stable version of NeoJSON.
> But it should not matter as I load the bleeding-edge version.
>
> I will look into this.
> Can you tell me which script you used to load the tool? Is it the one in the first e-mail?
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Cyril Ferlicot
>
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] GitHub API Bindings: new version
by Cyril Ferlicot
Hi,
If there is already a version of NeoJSON in the image the new version can
be skip (ahah!) during the loading. I had this problem before, I had to
load the bleeding edge in a new image.
On Friday, January 22, 2016, Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr> wrote:
> Thanks Hernán for your report.
> As Sven said, it is not yet present in the stable version of NeoJSON.
> But it should not matter as I load the bleeding-edge version.
>
> I will look into this.
> Can you tell me which script you used to load the tool? Is it the one in
> the first e-mail?
>
--
Cheers
Cyril Ferlicot
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Ready to play guinea pig for UI improvements
by Stephan Eggermont
On 22-01-16 11:48, Tudor Girba wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes. That is the type of input that we need.
>
> It would be great if others would do the same.
I'm willing to do the same.
Stephan
Jan. 22, 2016
Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] GitHub API Bindings: new version
by Skip Lentz
Thanks Hernán for your report.
As Sven said, it is not yet present in the stable version of NeoJSON.
But it should not matter as I load the bleeding-edge version.
I will look into this.
Can you tell me which script you used to load the tool? Is it the one in the first e-mail?
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Hernán Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Skip,
>
> Trying your tool in Windows 8.1 and Pharo 5. I wrote my username and password and this is what I get:
>
> MessageNotUnderstood: NeoJSONObjectMapping>>allowNil
> (there is no implementor of #allowNil)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hernán
>
>
> 2016-01-21 7:30 GMT-03:00 Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr <mailto:skip.lentz@inria.fr>>:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am announcing a new version for the API bindings to GitHub in Pharo.
> For documentation and information on how to load it, see the new project homepage:
>
> https://balletie.github.io/GitHub/ <https://balletie.github.io/GitHub/> (generated with Pillar. Plug for Damien and Cyril)
>
> For a list of changes in this release, follow this link: https://github.com/Balletie/GitHub/releases/tag/v0.5 <https://github.com/Balletie/GitHub/releases/tag/v0.5>
>
> To load absolutely everything, including the tests and the tool, evaluate:
>
> Metacello new
> baseline: 'GitHub';
> repository: 'github://Balletie/GitHub:master' <>;
> load: #(tests tool)
>
> If you have loaded the tool, it can be opened via the world menu, under âToolsâ.
>
> Feedback welcome :)
>
Jan. 22, 2016