September 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Yuriy, Another thing I cannot see in the documentation is about ban. To me is really important how is persisted the banning. How do you prevent the banning from being lost when I take a new image? Can I export bans to fuel and re import in another image? Some time ago when there was the manifiesto classes, the banning was stored there, and so such class could be stored in monticello as part of your code, which was a nice idea. But at the same time, it's hard to keep a banning since you refactor... so..that's another question..do you do something with banning upon certain refactors? Thanks! On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano, > > thanks for participating! You can read about the features here: > https://github.com/Uko/QualityAssistant#actions > > If something is not clear please let me know, so I can improve. > > On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:21, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > OK Done. > Where I can see the answers now? :) I put I didn't know many of the > features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now! > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Pharoers, >> >> I kindly ask you to participate in the QualityAssistant mini-survey: >> http://rio.inf.usi.ch/survey/index.php/818331. >> It will take only a few minutes of your time (or less), and will give us >> a better understanding of how QualityAssistant is currently used and how to >> improve it. >> >> Cheers! >> Yuriy >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, they are described here: https://github.com/Uko/QualityAssistant#actions <https://github.com/Uko/QualityAssistant#actions> Mariano also reported that on Pharo 4 some actions are missing. I am investigating that. Yuriy > On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:58, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> OK Done. >> Where I can see the answers now? :) I put I didn't know many of the >> features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now! > > I agree, where can we get information about the not-so-visible features? > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill >

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

by Damien Cassou

Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> writes: > OK Done. > Where I can see the answers now? :) I put I didn't know many of the > features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now! I agree, where can we get information about the not-so-visible features? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Sept. 14, 2015

[ANN] Pharo Consortium New Bronze Member: Inspired.org

by Marcus Denker

The Pharo Consortium is very happy to announce that Inspired.org has joined the Consortium as a bronze Member. Inspired is a highly experienced consultancy specialising in transformative business strategy integrated with executable architecture (including business architecture) and empowering methods to deliver meaningful and desirable change. Inspired supports this activity with Enterprise Value Architect (EVA), an innovative collaborative, cloud based enterprise modeling and knowledge management toolset developed in Smalltalk. About - Inspired: http://inspired.org - Pharo Consortium: http://consortium.pharo.org The goal of the Pharo Consortium is to allow companies and institutions to support the ongoing development and future of Pharo. Individuals can support Pharo via the Pharo Association: http://association.pharo.org

Sept. 14, 2015

Querying hierarchical entities in Voyage

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, how can I query all the objects from a hierarchy? Should a do separate query for each subclass and then concatenate the results? Is there a more efficient solution? Also what is the place to read about Voyage? Yuriy

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 15:18, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from inside the image ? >>>>> >>>>> If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be it: >>>>> >>>>>> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid. >>>>> >>>>> The comment of thisOSProcess says: >>>>> >>>>> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in which this Smalltalk image is executing." >>>> >>>> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks. >>>> >>>> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ? >>>> >>> >>> It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin. >>> >>> I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as well >>> as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has write >>> access to the repository). >>> >>> No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be >>> an external package. >> >> mmmâ¦ we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can profit from having it in the image (same as FFI). >> why do you think it should be external? > > We should distinguish between having it traditionally-in-Image where > that is the only place it exists and fixes are integrated, and the > current trend (e.g. in-Image Glamorous Tools) where fixes are > integrated "upstream" into an external package as you maybe noticed, we are slowly moving to an âall is configuredâ scheme. Which means everything included in image is both included AND external :) the first step of that is not accepting framework contributions without their configurationsâ¦ of course that means our tools need to improve because there are badly prepared to the taskâ¦ but we are doing it. In an ideal world, Pharo will be a small kernel + a list of modules included through configurations (it will take time, but we will be there). Esteban > > cheer -ben

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Survey] QualityAssistant experience mini-survey

by Mariano Martinez Peck

OK Done. Where I can see the answers now? :) I put I didn't know many of the features (I use it 99% of the time in Nautilus) and I do want to know now! On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Dear Pharoers, > > I kindly ask you to participate in the QualityAssistant mini-survey: > http://rio.inf.usi.ch/survey/index.php/818331. > It will take only a few minutes of your time (or less), and will give us a > better understanding of how QualityAssistant is currently used and how to > improve it. > > Cheers! > Yuriy > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>> >>>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo VM from inside the image ? >>>> >>>> If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this should be it: >>>> >>>>> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid. >>>> >>>> The comment of thisOSProcess says: >>>> >>>> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process in which this Smalltalk image is executing." >>> >>> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks. >>> >>> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is 100% supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ? >>> >> >> It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin. >> >> I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as well >> as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has write >> access to the repository). >> >> No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be >> an external package. > > mmmâ¦ we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can profit from having it in the image (same as FFI). > why do you think it should be external? We should distinguish between having it traditionally-in-Image where that is the only place it exists and fixes are integrated, and the current trend (e.g. in-Image Glamorous Tools) where fixes are integrated "upstream" into an external package cheer -ben

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] UUID for the Session?

by Marcus Denker

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 12:50, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Iâve noticed that there is a Session class, which is meant to be used as a unique identifier of an image session. Is it possible to obtain some king of identifier of it? I.e. if I want to compare some data associated with session outside of the image. If not, maybe we can simply create a new UUID in Session>>initialize and store it in an ivar? > A UUID per session could be a nice thing, yes. Marcus

Sept. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] PID of VM ?

by phil＠highoctane.be

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 14 Sep 2015, at 14:21, David T. Lewis <lewis(a)mail.msen.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 02:08:54PM +0200, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> > >>> On 14 Sep 2015, at 11:12, Skip Lentz <skip.lentz(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Is there a way to get the operating system PID of the running Pharo > VM from inside the image ? > >>> > >>> If I???m not mistaken, it is what OSProcess is for. I think this > should be it: > >>> > >>>> OSProcess thisOSProcess pid. > >>> > >>> The comment of thisOSProcess says: > >>> > >>> "Answer a single instance of the class corresponding to the OS process > in which this Smalltalk image is executing." > >> > >> OK, that seems to works in Pharo 5. Thanks. > >> > >> I don't know the overall status of OSProcess in Pharo though. Is is > 100% supported in all current versions, 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 ? Is it based on a > plugin or on native boost ? Should it be included by default ? > >> > > > > It should be working in all Pharo versions. It is based on a VM plugin. > > > > I am the author of OSProcess, and I try to keep it working in Pharo as > well > > as Squeak. Thierry Goubier also works on OSProcess for Pharo (and he has > write > > access to the repository). > > > > No, OSProcess should not be included in the image. It is intended to be > > an external package. > > mmmâ¦ we want to include it as more and more people requires it and we can > profit from having it in the image (same as FFI). > why do you think it should be external? > Would be nice to have it in. It is one of the first things I load in my images. How else can we access environment variables, pids, ... ? Beware: some version have issues of performance (in Pharo3). Phil > > Esteban > > > > > Dave > > > > > > >

Sept. 14, 2015