May 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Lectures in africa :)

by stepharo

Hi guys I m back to europe after one week to senegal. There I gave lectures to Dakar 3 h OO advanced design seaside and met Pr. Alassane Bah an old Smalltalker that is eager to push Pharo. I gave him my lectures and we will see what we will do. Then at Saint-Louis I gave lectures two times 3 h. They want to have an advanced oop lectures. Students loved it. I gave a presentation of Pharo to all the reseach group leader of the LIRIMA a lab join with inria and several countries. People from Yaounde want to do something with Pharo :) So be ready to get newbies soon. Stef

May 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: FogBugz (Case [Issue]13315) Morphic - NewList without icons

by stepharo

Hi nicolai Esteban is rewriting the list/table widgets and it is much much faster. He should announce a beta any soon. With it we will be able to remove - NewList (because its implementation is not good) - pluggableListMorph - and potentially the paginated and morph tree morph. Stef Le 23/5/15 00:20, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > Is there some more information about this? > > I opened that issue and I asks quesions about the NewList > implementation on the mailing > list and commented on some other issues about NewList (for example > 13554 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13554> Red cross in > EyeDateAndTimeInspector). > (With not so much feedback). > And making NewListRender working with athens caused quite some > headache to me. > But this is the first time I hear someone is working on a new list. > > I would like to encourage people to make more comments on the bugtracker. > > And, as we have already quite some mess in our widget libraries, > because we > have all kinds of > list/tree-morph-nomorph-pluggable-or-simple-with-or-without-icons-things, > I would like some more discussion/background info about this. I agree. I would like to remove them all and get only one > > Especially how we prevent to not have "just-another-list" in the > image, but > a way/plan to migrate or exchange the current list class to use the > new/better one. Why the migration to NewList was stopped is that we realised that it was not good. Alain told us that 8 months ago. > > thanks > nicolai > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Pharo Issue Tracker* <do-not-reply(a)pharo.fogbugz.com > <mailto:do-not-reply@pharo.fogbugz.com>> > Date: 2015-05-22 11:23 GMT+02:00 > Subject: FogBugz (Case [Issue]13315) Morphic - NewList without icons > To: "nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>" > <nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>> > > > avatar > *Marcus Denker* resolved *Case 13315*: NewList without icons > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13315> and assigned it to you: > *Bug* in Project: Morphic: 1. Pharo Image > > We have a better list done by esteban soon > > *Status* changed: > Work Needed changed to Resolved (Invalid) > > *Assigned To* changed: > Everyone changed to Nicolai Hess > > Priority *Priority*: 3 â Must Fix Status *Status*: Resolved (Invalid) > Assigned To *Assigned to*: Nicolai Hess Milestone *Milestone*: > Pharo5.0 > > > Go to Case > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13315> > Don't want FogBugz notifications anymore? Update your preferences. > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/userPrefs> > > FogBugz > > A case which you opened has been resolved ( Resolved (Invalid) ) by > Marcus Denker in FogBugz. It is your responsibility to verify the > resolution and close or reactivate the case. Case ID: 13315 Title: > NewList without icons Status: Resolved (Invalid) Category: Bug > Project: Morphic Area: 1. Pharo Image Priority: 3 - Must Fix > Milestone: Pharo5.0: 4/1/2016 Assigned To: Nicolai Hess URL: > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?13315 Changes: Status changed > from 'Work Needed' to 'Resolved (Invalid)'. Last message: We have a > better list done by esteban soon If you do not want to receive > automatic notifications anymore, change your preferences in the > Options screen. (https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/userPrefs) >

May 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Main pillar web site?

by stepharo

we will have a pillar web site using pillar but not now :) Le 23/5/15 07:39, H. Hirzel a Ã©crit : > Hello Cyril > > I just saw your announcement about Pillar 0.56 : New features, new syntax > > My suggestion is to the main pillar web site the information which > version of Pillar you describe there? > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > > And that you post the news about updates somewhere and refer to them > from the main pillar documentation website. > > --Hannes > > On 5/18/15, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Luc, >> >> Thanks for the nice diagram showing Pillar in action. >> >> I suggest to include it on the pillar web site. >> >> And maybe you have some additional documentation. For example about the >> parser. >> >> --Hannes >> >> On 5/18/15, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> As a teacher, I wrote a little Lab subject to introduce the Visitor >>> design >>> pattern to students using Pillar. >>> And I used the following fig to describe it. >>> >>> HIH, >>> >>> #Luc >>> >>> 2015-05-18 20:16 GMT+02:00 H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Is it possible to add a short paragraph about the >>>> >>>> Rational >>>> >>>> for Pillar? >>>> >>>> It seems to be a text format for the PRnnn classes which is easy to >>>> parse. >>>> >>>> Which formats does the Pillar documentation tool chain read and which >>>> ones are generated? >>>> >>>> --Hannes >>>> >>>> On 5/4/15, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi. >>>>> The documentation is now here: >>>>> >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>>>> We're still updating the documentation so that still can change. >>>>> >>>>> On 4 May 2015 at 16:14, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is the summary >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pillar documentation >>>>>> ==================== >>>>>> >>>>>> Start page >>>>>> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier/Pillar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Documentation >>>>>> https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar-documentation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> First Google hit >>>>>> >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoProjectCatalog/HTML_Report/… >>>>>> Leads to Pharo contribution CI server (Confirm security exception, >>>>>> it >>>> is >>>>>> safe). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pillar tool chain repositories >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/pillar-markup >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Cyril Ferlicot >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >

May 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pillar 0.56 : New features, new syntax

by Cyril Ferlicot

Hi. We used '@' because Pier used it this way. I'm afraid that if we change the character that will break Pier. But if you write *Chapter 1>../Chapter1/chapter1.pillar@cha:chapter1* and export in HTML you'll get <a href="../Chapter1/chapter1.html#cha:chapter1"> I. Chapter 1 </a> On 23 May 2015 at 08:44, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Cyril, > > Am 22.05.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com>: > > The second main change is the Internal Links. > Now when you want to reefer to an anchor, a figure or a script you'll > need to use *@anchor* instead of *anchor*. > I'm sorry for that but that's the easiest way to implement the > inter-files links. > > > why @? It is about links and how to point to a fragment inside a resource. > This already exists and is called fragment identifier > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragment_identifier > > You do it by using # the separate the resource and the fragment in an URI. > > '../chapters/chapter1.pillar#section1' > > is complete valid URI and the way to go. Can you change that? > > Norbert > -- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot

May 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Main pillar web site?

by Cyril Ferlicot

Hi, The link you gave is a future chapter about Pillar on the EnterprisePharo book. We update this book at each modification of Pillar (we have for example some script that do an automatic update of some part of the chapter). So the chapter have the documentation of the last version of Pillar. On 23 May 2015 at 07:39, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Cyril > > I just saw your announcement about Pillar 0.56 : New features, new syntax > > My suggestion is to the main pillar web site the information which > version of Pillar you describe there? > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > > And that you post the news about updates somewhere and refer to them > from the main pillar documentation website. > > --Hannes > > On 5/18/15, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Luc, >> >> Thanks for the nice diagram showing Pillar in action. >> >> I suggest to include it on the pillar web site. >> >> And maybe you have some additional documentation. For example about the >> parser. >> >> --Hannes >> >> On 5/18/15, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> As a teacher, I wrote a little Lab subject to introduce the Visitor >>> design >>> pattern to students using Pillar. >>> And I used the following fig to describe it. >>> >>> HIH, >>> >>> #Luc >>> >>> 2015-05-18 20:16 GMT+02:00 H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Is it possible to add a short paragraph about the >>>> >>>> Rational >>>> >>>> for Pillar? >>>> >>>> It seems to be a text format for the PRnnn classes which is easy to >>>> parse. >>>> >>>> Which formats does the Pillar documentation tool chain read and which >>>> ones are generated? >>>> >>>> --Hannes >>>> >>>> On 5/4/15, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Hi. >>>> > The documentation is now here: >>>> > >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>>> > >>>> > We're still updating the documentation so that still can change. >>>> > >>>> > On 4 May 2015 at 16:14, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> Thank you! >>>> >> >>>> >> Here is the summary >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Pillar documentation >>>> >> ==================== >>>> >> >>>> >> Start page >>>> >> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier/Pillar >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Documentation >>>> >> https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar-documentation >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> First Google hit >>>> >> >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoProjectCatalog/HTML_Report/… >>>> >> >>>> >> Leads to Pharo contribution CI server (Confirm security exception, >>>> >> it >>>> is >>>> >> safe). >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Pillar tool chain repositories >>>> >> ------------------------------- >>>> >> >>>> >> https://github.com/pillar-markup >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Cheers >>>> > Cyril Ferlicot >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot

May 23, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/50061 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

May 23, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core] f81d84: 50061

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May 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Reflectivity] Progress for Breakpoints

by Marcus Denker

> > -> The experience in the debugger is not that nice > (need to think about using the <debuggerCompleteToSender> trick and > explore the filtering capabilities of the debugger) > I implemented the âDebug testâ Feature again using a one-shot breakpoint. This is a good testcase to see how to improve the user experience. debugTest: aMethod (Breakpoint inNode: aMethod ast) level: nil; once. aMethod methodClass run: aMethod selector. (reflective API to create breakpoints will evolve as needed, e.g. no meta level might be the default) > I am now continuing to flesh out the Reflectivity features: > ... > - add conditions with parameters (e.g. for object specific links: [:object | object == myObject]) HookGenerator now generates AST snippets for hooks with conditions that have arguments. Next: - add all reifications - code gen for the complex hooks (need to add name analysis for hooks for that) Marcus

May 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cross platform key modifiers

by Nicolai Hess

2015-05-23 9:52 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > > (If Meta is the Command-Key on a Mac keyboard). > > No. On a Mac the "command" key is "Cmd" -- hence why I think we should not > call it "command" internally, to help maintain platform independent > semantics. > Yes and I thought this was the reason to define one Command-Modifier (Ctrl on Windows, because you use Ctrl+C for copy, Command on Mac, because you use Cmd+C for copy on a Mac) and map. (and we are using "Command" instead of a platform independent name, because many squeak-keyshortcuts had its history from the old first implementation for a mac. And users are used to this semantics. > > > > No. I know they both have nice icons, but they are not the same. You don't > use the windows key to copy text. > Cheers -ben > Yes, exactly, they are the same keys but used for different purposes on each platform. Windows uses the ctrl-key for copy/paste, the alt-key for the menu bar, the Windows/Meta key for Desktop and Shell shortcuts. Mac uses the Meta/Command key copy/paste. -> I think we can not really use a platform independent schema, if the platform reserved the keys for its own purpose.

May 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cross platform key modifiers

by Ben Coman

On 23 May 2015 6:36 am, "Nicolai Hess" <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > Hi ben, > > 2015-05-22 17:28 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: >> >> Not sure what past history we inherited, but I am questioning the semantics of our key modifiers. My understanding is that the following is industry standard... >> OSX Windows Linux >> option alt alt >> cmd ctrl ctrl > > > Yes, this is what I expected too. > And I thought this is what KMCommandModifier is used for. > With that, I would expect "Character arrowLeft command" maps to > Ctrl+Left for windows/linux > Meta+Left for Mac > (If Meta is the Command-Key on a Mac keyboard). No. On a Mac the "command" key is "Cmd" -- hence why I think we should not call it "command" internally, to help maintain platform independent semantics. >> >> with Copy being the simplest example of this... >> cmd-c ctrl-c ctrl-c >> >> Supporting this view: >> * "option" and "alternative" are synonyms >> * "command" and "control" have similar meaning (e.g. in the army if you command someone, you control them) >> * Microsoft say so (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/970299) >> * Apple say so (https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18812?locale=en_US) and indeed marks its keyboards with "alt" and "option" on the same key ( http://www.apple.com/au/keyboard/) >> >> So examining this with >> KMLog setDebug.Transcript open. >> >> On OSX Pharo 50044 I get... >> option+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Opt-left>'] >> cmd+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Cmd-left>'] >> ctrl+arrowLeft --> OS changes screens >> >> but I am told that Windows gives... >> alt+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Cmd-left>'] >> ctrl+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Ctrl-left>'] >> >> when I believe Windows should be... >> alt+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Opt-left>'] >> ctrl+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Cmd-left>'] >> >> >> Part of the issue I think is that our keystroke mapping should be more abstract. >> >> When I was using Pharo on Windows, sometimes it felt like a second class citizen wrt key mappings, mapping ctrl-c to an apple-named <cmd-c>. Perhaps what we should see is: >> >> OSX... >> option+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Meta-left>'] >> cmd+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Hotkey-left>'] >> >> Windows... >> alt+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Meta-left>'] >> ctrl+arrowLeft --> [keystroke '<Hotkey-left>'] >> >> Otherwise there will always be the tension on windows that ctrl-c should generate [<keystroke '<Ctrl-c>] and we end up with definitions repetitively formed like... >> PharoShortcuts>>acceptShortcut >> ^ $s ctrl win | $s ctrl unix | $s command mac >> >> which opens the door for inconsistencies. We should only need to do something like... >> PharoShortcuts>>acceptShortcut >> ^ $s hotkey > > > > Isn't OSXs Command-key like MS-Windows "Window" or Linux "Meta" -key? > No. I know they both have nice icons, but they are not the same. You don't use the windows key to copy text. Cheers -ben > >> >> >> and leave it to the platform default or user preference the define what the hotkey actually is. A status line in the Keymap Browser could display which actual real keys map to <Hotkey> and <Meta>. >> >> >> What are you thoughts? >> cheers -ben >> >

May 23, 2015