April 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roadmap

by stepharo

> Similar question - are there any roadmap plans to add Dictionary > literals to Pharo? We discussed about object format but right now I think that we would like to (without thinking too much) - take advantage of Athens - continue to improve the tools - put the bootstrap in production - make SDL2 working for real and OSwindow - clean spec - FFI FFI FFI and again FFI - continue the remodularisation effort If I would open a new work place it would be - to integrate Xtream and get rid of the old streams. - clean/remove leading char Stef > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:20 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > > > Le 20/4/15 16:39, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : >> I would love to see two things in Pharo 5: >> >> 1) Fix for mouse scrolling (at least on Mac OS X, though I think >> it does the same on Linux etc) in the class pane. While >> mouse-scrolling (either via a mouse wheel or two-finger scrolling >> on the touchpad) through the classes, the focus frequently and >> erratically jumps to the package pane, and the package pane >> starts scrolling instead. The focus also sometimes jumps when you >> reach the end of the class list (and, again, the package pane >> starts scrolling instead). > > Yes > >> >> 2) A button in the debugger that copies the error message to the >> clipboard (you can sort of do it currently by editing the title >> of the error window, but that's really awkward). > > it should be easy to do. > >> >> I also have a question. Are there currently any roadmap plans for >> namespaces or modules for Pharo? I saw a brief discussion about >> it a few years back >> (http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-Namespaces-td4636635.html ), and >> wanted to see if it's still on the table. > > Yes but not for Pharo 50. > > Stef >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:58 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> if you have suggestions please let us know. Now usually >> suggestions often comes with time allocation ;) >> We have definitively a list of points we want to see addressed. >> >> Stef >> >> Le 19/4/15 23:19, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : >> >> Do we have a roadmap for Pharo 5 already? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >

April 20, 2015

GNU/Linux Old libC CI Job

by Sean P. DeNigris

As part of our "first impressions count" effort to overhaul the download process, I've created a Jenkins job on Pharo CI to build a VM for GNU/Linux systems with libc < 2.15 (e.g. Debian 7) - a common gotcha for new users. This VM used to be built externally by Jan Vrany (thanks!). The job is https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/4.0-VM/job/PharoVM-GNU-linux-old_libc/ The zip is mirrored to http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/Pharo-VM-linux-oldLibC.zip ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GNU-Linux-Old-libC-CI-Job-tp4820686.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Little fix to MC merge facility

by stepharo

Jan what is your fix? to show the end of line differently? Do you think that we should integrate it? Stef Le 20/4/15 12:36, Jan Vrany a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > I just wanted to merge some code in Monticello and the merge tool > marked all methods as conflict because their source differ in trailing > whitespace (newline). The diff panel on the right does not show any > difference. > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~JanVrany/Misc/versions/Monticello-Fixes-JanVran… > > Here's a fix for this particular problem in case somebody runs into the > same problem. > > Best, Jan > > >

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roadmap

by Dmitri Zagidulin

Similar question - are there any roadmap plans to add Dictionary literals to Pharo? On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:20 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > Le 20/4/15 16:39, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : > > I would love to see two things in Pharo 5: > > 1) Fix for mouse scrolling (at least on Mac OS X, though I think it does > the same on Linux etc) in the class pane. While mouse-scrolling (either via > a mouse wheel or two-finger scrolling on the touchpad) through the classes, > the focus frequently and erratically jumps to the package pane, and the > package pane starts scrolling instead. The focus also sometimes jumps when > you reach the end of the class list (and, again, the package pane starts > scrolling instead). > > > Yes > > > 2) A button in the debugger that copies the error message to the > clipboard (you can sort of do it currently by editing the title of the > error window, but that's really awkward). > > > it should be easy to do. > > > I also have a question. Are there currently any roadmap plans for > namespaces or modules for Pharo? I saw a brief discussion about it a few > years back (http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-Namespaces-td4636635.html ), > and wanted to see if it's still on the table. > > > Yes but not for Pharo 50. > > Stef > > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:58 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> if you have suggestions please let us know. Now usually suggestions often >> comes with time allocation ;) >> We have definitively a list of points we want to see addressed. >> >> Stef >> >> Le 19/4/15 23:19, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : >> >> Do we have a roadmap for Pharo 5 already? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roadmap

by stepharo

Le 20/4/15 16:39, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : > I would love to see two things in Pharo 5: > > 1) Fix for mouse scrolling (at least on Mac OS X, though I think it > does the same on Linux etc) in the class pane. While mouse-scrolling > (either via a mouse wheel or two-finger scrolling on the touchpad) > through the classes, the focus frequently and erratically jumps to the > package pane, and the package pane starts scrolling instead. The focus > also sometimes jumps when you reach the end of the class list (and, > again, the package pane starts scrolling instead). Yes > > 2) A button in the debugger that copies the error message to the > clipboard (you can sort of do it currently by editing the title of the > error window, but that's really awkward). it should be easy to do. > > I also have a question. Are there currently any roadmap plans for > namespaces or modules for Pharo? I saw a brief discussion about it a > few years back > (http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-Namespaces-td4636635.html ), and > wanted to see if it's still on the table. Yes but not for Pharo 50. Stef > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:58 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > Hi > > if you have suggestions please let us know. Now usually > suggestions often comes with time allocation ;) > We have definitively a list of points we want to see addressed. > > Stef > > Le 19/4/15 23:19, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : > > Do we have a roadmap for Pharo 5 already? > > > > > >

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] TDD and BDD

by stepharo

>> refactor so that all those places use one implementation somewhere. > In fact, searching the sources for "beginsWith: 'test'", the logic is > duplicated quite a bit. So we should refactor it. > And someone even snuck your proposed change into > CompiledMethod>>#isTestMethod, so now we already have two conflicting > concepts of what a test selector is in Core. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/TDD-and-BDD-tp4820612p4820673.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Phaor 50: updating Metacello

by Dale Henrichs

Stef, While in development you should be doing builds with the most recent version on the github master branch ... that way if you hit problems and Christophe or I have bugfixes along the way, those fixes will be folded into the latest build ... I will add Pharo5.0 to my travis testing lineup shortly ... Dale On 04/20/2015 12:10 AM, stepharo wrote: > Hi > > I think that we should update metacello so that we get rid of problem > with Configuration not updated in the image. > > Stef >

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] TDD and BDD

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > refactor so that all those places use one implementation somewhere. In fact, searching the sources for "beginsWith: 'test'", the logic is duplicated quite a bit. And someone even snuck your proposed change into CompiledMethod>>#isTestMethod, so now we already have two conflicting concepts of what a test selector is in Core. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/TDD-and-BDD-tp4820612p4820673.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] TDD and BDD

by Sean P. DeNigris

demarey wrote > as it is something that is not specific to a project, I would prefer to > have it in the system. I agree that would be nice. I much prefer #shouldXyz. At the same time I don't mind so much having to override #testSelectors, and if we make this change, we must be ready for people to use it in Core, which IMHO might lead to better tests, but will clash a bit with current style. BTW if you have to change it in several places, the first step, whether we change the logic or not, would be to refactor so that all those places use one implementation somewhere. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/TDD-and-BDD-tp4820612p4820672.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 20, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roadmap

by Dmitri Zagidulin

I would love to see two things in Pharo 5: 1) Fix for mouse scrolling (at least on Mac OS X, though I think it does the same on Linux etc) in the class pane. While mouse-scrolling (either via a mouse wheel or two-finger scrolling on the touchpad) through the classes, the focus frequently and erratically jumps to the package pane, and the package pane starts scrolling instead. The focus also sometimes jumps when you reach the end of the class list (and, again, the package pane starts scrolling instead). 2) A button in the debugger that copies the error message to the clipboard (you can sort of do it currently by editing the title of the error window, but that's really awkward). I also have a question. Are there currently any roadmap plans for namespaces or modules for Pharo? I saw a brief discussion about it a few years back (http://forum.world.st/Pharo-and-Namespaces-td4636635.html ), and wanted to see if it's still on the table. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:58 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi > > if you have suggestions please let us know. Now usually suggestions often > comes with time allocation ;) > We have definitively a list of points we want to see addressed. > > Stef > > Le 19/4/15 23:19, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : > > Do we have a roadmap for Pharo 5 already? >> >> >> >> > >

April 20, 2015