April 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo5] All systems on go!

by kilon alios

I cant see pharo classes in Nautiluse apart from a few, unless i open them with GTSpotter , then they get added to Nautilus. Is this normal ? Is it because I miss the sources file ? and if yes where I find it ? On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Thanks, Marcus!! :) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo5-All-systems-on-go-tp4820956p4821002.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving the documentation model

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > Pillar is fine as long as we aren't forced into the backend quirks to get > a > given output. This is actually much more productive than I thought it would be :) We've identified some key intentions: - easy to version - easy to contribute - live (whether preview rendering or model being worked on) - portable (to other formats); i.e. not tied to one backend; I would add here that any syntax is just a serialized, dead form of the live model, which is what I really want to think about - easy to use for beginners (like WYSIWYG, live help) - pathway to efficient use for experts (a la command line, shortcuts, gestures; not mouse selection) That's a really great list. And WYSIWYG and Pillar are two different explorations into that problem space. But there is no point trying to convince through words, only to produce your favored approach that adresses those points more effectively than the other approach, or maybe we end up with two amazing approaches, like emacs and vim and we can happily debate forever ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Improving-the-documentation-model-tp4820814p4821009.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] ArchLinux pharo-vm / pharo-launcher packages

by Laurent

Le mar. 21 avril 2015 Ã 22:20, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> a Ã©crit : > laurent laffont wrote >> it seems the Archlinux team does not have access to >> pharo-archlinux repository > > Fixed. Thanks. Branch pushed. Laurent > > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-ArchLinux-pharo-vm-pharo-launcher-packages-tp4749… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. >

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Center morph in a morph

by Sean P. DeNigris

Uko2 wrote > Iâve tried to use: > listCentering: #center; > ... > with TableLayout That worked for me... <http://forum.world.st/file/n4821006/Screenshot_2015-04-21_16.png> You sent #listCentering to the parent Morph, right? BTW for exploration, a really easy way to see what these do it to play with them via the red halo (in the Layout sub-menu)... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Center-morph-in-a-morph-tp4820943p4821006.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 21, 2015

PharoLauncher all white !!!

by kilon alios

I just downloaded latest pharolauncher from here https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Launcher/job/Launcher-Mac/lastSuccessfulBuil… The new PL is all white, is this normal ? I cant see the panels to resize them all see is white and the text.

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo5] All systems on go!

by Sean P. DeNigris

Thanks, Marcus!! :) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo5-All-systems-on-go-tp4820956p4821002.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving the documentation model

by Sean P. DeNigris

Nicolas Anquetil wrote > I believe we can safely assume that if people are still using textual > interface after such a very long period (in computer science time > frame), it is most certainly because natural selection has favoured the > choice that had most advantages ... By this rationale, we should all stop programming Smalltalk immediately in favor of COBOL ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Improving-the-documentation-model-tp4820814p4821001.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] ArchLinux pharo-vm / pharo-launcher packages

by Sean P. DeNigris

laurent laffont wrote > it seems the Archlinux team does not have access to > pharo-archlinux repository Fixed. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-ArchLinux-pharo-vm-pharo-launcher-packages-tp4749… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving the documentation model

by kilon alios

"I'm against GUIs for distributed version control for collaborating on documentation. " yes this is a valid concern this is why I also agree with what others have said of a GUI toll that helps us write documentation but it exports it to pillar so we can use easily version control with it. Or maybe you mean you are not satisfied with how git gui clients have been doing their job ? "GUI Zealot yes, mouse Zealot definitely not." Yeap I agree with this very much, I am using a 3d application, Blender and as you can imagine relying on mouse is basically unthinkable because of how extremely complex the UI is. I use mouse for editing polygons, I use a wacom tablet for sculpting and I use keyboard shorcuts for ton of other blender actions. 3d apps have ton of shortcuts out of necessity. But there is a solution recently in the form of pie penus, those menus work on premise of leaving an open circle area for displaying what you operate on and open around it icon based menus in circular layout. You can enter those menus using mouse gestures (you can also optionally do it the traditional way of clicking on the menus), that makes for very fast interaction as fast as using key shortcuts. You can this way create mouse gesture combos to do very complex actions and at the same time you have a visual feedback of what you doing exactly something that shortcus lack. Those mouse gestures dont require any clicking. I think pie menus would work great for Pharo. So there is a lot of room for UI ideas still and GUIs are still in an infant state. Another idea I had recently it using a multi touch device like smartphone or table as an interface used for operating Blender and Pharo, something like a TV remote . This usage is popular with musicians for controlling musical software.

April 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] ArchLinux pharo-vm / pharo-launcher packages

by Laurent

Le mar. 21 avril 2015 Ã 1:46, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> a Ã©crit : > laurent laffont wrote >>>> Feel free to create it and give me access I will use this new >>>> project as main repo. > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-archlinux > I sent you an invitation... Thanks Sean. But it seems the Archlinux team does not have access to pharo-archlinux repository Laurent > > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-ArchLinux-pharo-vm-pharo-launcher-packages-tp4749… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. >

April 21, 2015