April 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

running the vm from within a dll

by Stefan Krecher

Hi all, i know this topic was discussed from time to time but I'm not sure if there is a simple answer. Can the VM be compiled to a windows dll, so pharo could get started from another dll and would exchange events? It is probably a similar approach to the one Andreas Raab did for the android/ squeak port back in 2010. He compiled squeak as a shared library and started it on Android via a Java wrapper. I had a short conversation on that with Andreas on this years ago and it sounded very easy. I had the impression that he did this on one evening and it just worked. The code looked simple too. But maybe it was that easy because Andreas was a super-smart guy ... Anyway - would this architecture fit with a dll-scario (having a dll that starts pharo, which itself runs in a dll)? Regards Stefan

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Sean P. DeNigris

Tudor Girba-2 wrote > I do not quite understand. Could you elaborate such a case? When writing a conditional that is true in the current image state, e.g. Smalltalk imageFile base = 'foo' ifTrue: [] it's quite convenient to write: Smalltalk imageFile base then PrintIt, left arrow and type ' =' ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Playground-and-its-current-usability-in-Pharo4-0-Late… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] What's new on Pillar ?

by Alexandre Bergel

This is excellent !! I am really pleased to see effort to improve Pillar. Keep going! Alexandre > Le 24 avr. 2015 Ã 07:26, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > Hi everyone ! > > I'm currently working on Pillar ! > It's been a little while now so I wanted to share what's new. > > --> First of all, with Stephane we created a new project, Cocoon, > based on the configuration system of Pillar. And now Pillar uses > Cocoon for his configurations. > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/Cocoon > > --> Pillar unit tests weren't working on Windows before > > --> With Damien we also added two new abstractions: > --> The transformers: They take the Pillar tree and modify it. For > exemple we have a transformer which evaluates the scripts with a > "eval=true" parameter. > --> The annotations: They let the writer specify many different > things in their document using just 1 syntax (see below for an > example) > > --> We now have our first annotation tag: the inclusion tag ! > If you add this: > ${inputFile:test.pillar}$ or ${inputFile:folder/test.pillar}$ > into your Pillar file, that will include the content of test.pillar. > I recommend for now to use it at the root of the pillar file and not > inside a paragraph. That still needs some improvement. > > > --> We now have a transformer which adds an anchor after each title. > The anchor will have the text of the title. > This still needs some improvement, it's really simple for now. For > exemple we need to consider the case where we have 2 titles with the > same text (like 'introduction'). > > --> Now you can add 'lineNumber=true' as parameter for a Script. This > will add a numerotation at your script, usefull if we want to explain > a long code. > > --> I did some refactorisation on the parameters used by pillar to > clean the code. > > --> I did some refactorisation of the template system, the old one was > really ugly and changed the baseDirectory. Now template are managed by > a stream and not a file. > > --> I improved a little the configuration > --> Now if you want to change the baseDirectory you can pass a > FileReference, a relative path or an absolute path. > --> Now we look for the inputFiles from the baseDirectory and not > the working directory like before. You can also pass a FileReference, > a relative path or an absolute path. > > --> I added some tests to Pillar. > > --> I added some doc to EnterprisePharo > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > > --> To help the users I improved the error reports. Before we had > really few errors specific to Pillar. > For this one you can help me ! If you found a weird error or something > really not easy to deal with, send me your problem ! > > > -- > Cheers > Cyril Ferlicot > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

April 24, 2015

Configuration Browser: Refresh doesn't add new configs

by Sean P. DeNigris

1. Open a Configuration Browser 1.5 (not sure if this matters) I had switched the metaRepo to my own 2. Add a config to the currently shown repo 3. Choose Refresh from the context menu The new config will not appear. Should I open an issue? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Configuration-Browser-Refresh-doesn-t-add-new-configs… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

SystemWindow vs. StandardWindow

by Sean P. DeNigris

Is this distinction necessary? I started digging when I noticed that SystemWindow>>#label and #setLabel: becomes StandardWindow>>#title and #title. Wouldn't it be better to just push #title up if we like that API better? It's exhausting to manage all these tiny (and possibly unnecessary) differences... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SystemWindow-vs-StandardWindow-tp4821655.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Centos/RHEL/ 7.1

by phil＠highoctane.be

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > philippeback wrote > > centos 6.5 is fine for rhel6. those are clones. > > Do you know if that's true in general for the entire RedHat family (e.g. > Fedora)? Or for other families? E.g. Debian/Ubuntu/Mint? > I do not use Fedora, so I do not know. Usually Fedora is the leading edge while CentOS/RHEL are the stable things that are maintained for a long time. Debian/Ubuntu/Mint: They are all debian based but that doesn't mean that they are aligned. So, I do not know about those. Phil > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-on-Centos-RHEL-7-1-tp4821602p4821623.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

April 24, 2015

Issue 15394: (Launcher) Safer Image Deletion

by Sean P. DeNigris

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15394 Especially as we move to push the launcher as the default download for new users, this will be crucial. Right now, we are deleting via an `rm -fr` like approach, which is quite harsh for a GUI tool, especially when deleting an image, which is akin to an operating system. It would be better to remove the confirmation dialog and move the image to the trash, with an undo if possible. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-15394-Launcher-Safer-Image-Deletion-tp4821635.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Release with Dark Theme

by kilon alios

to find in the end that you get .... what you pay for ;) On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 4:43 PM Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > icon design and web design are two very different things. > I seriously doubt we can get the icon set we need as cheap as you might > think. > > butâ¦ we can always try :) > > Esteban > > On 24 Apr 2015, at 14:55, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> >> Le 24/4/15 11:06, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> >> wrote: >> >>> That's a bit harsh, the fonts are the same ;-) >>> And it is of course possible that you don't like it, it is a matter of >>> taste. >>> The contrast thing is also taste, but for some people it solve certain >>> vision problems. >>> >>> Exactly. >> When you have floaters all day long, the last thing you want is a f*cking >> white screen. >> >> Now, I am using 3.0 with DawnTheme, which is more like SublimeText (in a >> 3.0). >> >> I tried the 4.0 and it is nice. Now, icons should get a pass because the >> artefacts on the edges are not nice. >> >> If there is some little petty cash available, that's the kind of job that >> can be done supercheap on something like https://en.99designs.be/. That >> would be good use of consortium/association money for example. >> >> Why bother with graphics work when you can get things done professionaly >> for close to nil? >> >> >> do you know the people? >> Because I would really be in favor getting people doing this job. >> > > This is a large community. > > One can get a full website design done for around $500. > Got that done and was nice work. > > Alternatives (used too): https://www.freelancer.com/ > > Phil > >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > On 24 Apr 2015, at 09:27, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> > >>> > That's funny because I tried it two days ago the first time and I >>> didn't like it. I had troubles to get anything but bitmap fonts. After >>> setting all things up I was a bit disappointed that contrast wise it >>> doesn't work for me. Can someone send a screenshot with one setup that >>> he/she considers good? >>> > >>> > thanks, >>> > >>> > Norbert >>> > >>> >> Am 24.04.2015 um 08:38 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >>> >: >>> >> >>> >> I disagreeâ¦ DarkTheme is just for certain tastes, while regular one, >>> while probably dated, is more âstandardâ. >>> >> Also, DarkTheme is not ready. yeah, yeahâ¦ it works and works fine >>> most of the timeâ¦ but not *all* the time (take for example find string >>> dialogâ¦ I never found the time to fix it, and nobody complained soâ¦ :P). >>> Finally. we need to adopt SVG icons (in my TODO list since a couple of >>> months, I will deliver soon, I hope), otherwise they do not look good (this >>> is a problem eclipse itself had itâ¦ we are just inheriting it :) ) >>> >> >>> >> But a good question would be: How can we push forward our UI, besides >>> using a darker or clearer theme? >>> >> I would like to hear some opinions here :) >>> >> >>> >> Esteban >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On 24 Apr 2015, at 08:33, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> comments about color is to be taken with care. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 24/4/15 02:48, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> Why didn't/don't we make it the default for 4.0? Everyone seems to >>> love it, >>> >>>> and people are commenting that the UI looks dated. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ----- >>> >>>> Cheers, >>> >>>> Sean >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/Release-with-Dark-Theme-tp4821496.html >>> >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >>> Nabble.com. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >> >> >

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Small ScreenTheme [was: Release with Dark Theme]

by Thierry Goubier

Le 24/04/2015 15:44, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > you are asking for a different kind of IDE, not a theme. > but yesâ¦ we need some way to allow that :) But we do. It is allways possible to write and adapt a new IDE better suited to this or that screen size, and replace the default tools :) Now, doing it is a bit of work ;) Thierry > > Esteban > >> On 24 Apr 2015, at 10:19, Nicolas Anquetil <Nicolas.Anquetil(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >> In a related domain, I am launching a petition for a SmallScreenTheme >> >> People are working on 13" laptops, soon we will program pharo on tablets >> >> The default themes are a total waste of screen space with huge borders everywhere, large fonts, white spaces (or grey spaces) in the browser, ... >> >> I tried to work on one in the past, but did not go very far (only smaller fonts=8 and tighter scrollbars). >> Buttons need to be shrinked drastically, morphs in morphs in morphs all have borders 4 pixels wide, ... >> >> nicolas >> >> On 24/04/2015 01:48, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: >>> Why didn't/don't we make it the default for 4.0? Everyone seems to love it, >>> and people are commenting that the UI looks dated. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Release-with-Dark-Theme-tp4821496.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> > > > >

April 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] GitHub CI organization

by Esteban Lorenzano

because they are not CI, they can be used outside too. and in a more âdeepâ answer: because they all born in different moments :) Esteban > On 24 Apr 2015, at 14:43, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > I may be missing something, but why are pharo-build-scripts and > pharo-minimal-scripts not in the pharo-ci repository? > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GitHub-CI-organization-tp4821620.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

April 24, 2015