April 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Marcus Denker

> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:11, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > Date: 3 Apr 2015 14:08:03 CEST > From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > Reply-To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions > > > 3 quick things : > > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta). Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! > Windows 2k is 16 years old. We can not maintain a museum of old windows looksâ¦ it just makes no sense (at all. At allâ¦ I donât even think how someone can think that we should!). Keep in mind that nobody uses it (but you, I guess), so it will for sure be broken in subtle waysâ¦ We need to use it where it makes sense. A windows 2000 look is not one of these things. > 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & #atRandom: methods ? Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance! In other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> Random ! I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance all over the place? > The system is very large. I think it is fundamentally wrong to assume that something like this (Design level things) will be magically fixed if there was no discussion, no issue tracker entry, no nothing. Why do you think that this will âfix itself magicallyâ? I would really like to know your thought process behind thisâ¦ is there something that makes you think that a release process could catch this? How? Marcus

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Benoit St-Jean

To the contrary!Â It's way faster and shorter to list what annoys me about Pharo 4.0 than write a novel on all its qualities!Â ;) Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com>; Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Given that all listed points are negative, does it mean that there was nothing positive about Pharo 4? :) Cheers,Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:Â Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> To:Â Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc:Â Date:Â Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject:Â Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions 3 quick things : 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).Â Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & #atRandom: methods ?Â Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance!Â In other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> Random !Â I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach.Â Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance all over the place? 3) I'm having a few "Could not find disk drive" errors on Windows XP ( never had that error with Pharo 3 and I've been using it every day since it came out).Â Am I the only one?Â I ran all SUnit tests and the VM crashed "real bad".Â Do you guys need logs/dumps/errors on the console ?Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

by Sean P. DeNigris

Jigyasa Grover wrote > Anything up there for the beginners ? Documentation - class comments, method comments, tests - are always up for beginners ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-sprint-on-Friday-3rd-April-tp4815603p4817273.ht… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Sean P. DeNigris

Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list wrote > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 > (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).Â Having the close, maximize & > minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows > users! http://forum.world.st/FogBugz-Case-Issue-10346-Morphic-Remove-W2K-Theme-tt4… If you check the issue to see which update the above was integrated, maybe you can file it out from the previous update and port it to Pharo 4.0 ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-4-Beta-first-impressions-tp4817257p4817271.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Given that all listed points are negative, does it mean that there was nothing positive about Pharo 4? :) Cheers, Doru On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev < pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:08:03 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions > 3 quick things : > > 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 > (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta). Having the close, maximize & > minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows > users! > > 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still > holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the > other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & > #atRandom: methods ? Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of > #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance! In > other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> > Random ! I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach. > Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a > default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object > instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance > all over the place? > > 3) I'm having a few "Could not find disk drive" errors on Windows XP ( > never had that error with Pharo 3 and I've been using it every day since it > came out). Am I the only one? I ran all SUnit tests and the VM crashed > "real bad". Do you guys need logs/dumps/errors on the console ? > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > IRC: lamneth > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

by Jigyasa Grover

Yep , quite possible. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:05, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > It didn't happen with me in either of the cases :/ > Worked just fine for both. > > > May be memory / hardware dependent. > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Gaurav Singh <grvanm.coder(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> It doesnt happen here , but i was wondering why did it happen in the >> string case even when the run time is just a few milliseconds ? >> > > >

April 3, 2015

Pharo 4 Beta, first impressions

by Benoit St-Jean

3 quick things : 1) How can I get the Windows theme (W2K) that was available in Pharo 3 (it's no longer there in Pharo 4.0 Beta).Â Having the close, maximize & minimize buttons to the left of every window is VERY annoying for Windows users! 2) Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that the Collection class still holds on to 2 class variables (one of them being an instance of Random, the other a mutex) for the sole purpose of accommodating the #atRandom & #atRandom: methods ?Â Even worse, the Integer class' implementation of #atRandom references the Collection class to use that random instance!Â In other words, Integer>>#atRandom --> Collection>>#randomForPicking --> Random !Â I've always been a fan of the "mind your own business" approach.Â Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have the Random class provide a default instance (a singleton) whenever other classes need such an object instead of crippling the code with class variables and singleton instance all over the place? 3) I'm having a few "Could not find disk drive" errors on Windows XP ( never had that error with Pharo 3 and I've been using it every day since it came out).Â Am I the only one?Â I ran all SUnit tests and the VM crashed "real bad".Â Do you guys need logs/dumps/errors on the console ?Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein)

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About PharoShortcuts

by Sean P. DeNigris

Nicolai Hess wrote > Shortcuts in text editor are hardcoded There is also http://forum.world.st/redefining-default-smalltalk-shortcuts-in-pluggable-t… and http://forum.world.st/Keymapping-Class-vs-Instance-Targets-tt4639863.html#a… , which I gave up on until TxText because I got tired of fighting with the text editors ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/About-PharoShortcuts-tp4817244p4817258.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Freeze while running a loop

by Max Leske

> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:05, Jigyasa Grover <grover.jigyasa1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It didn't happen with me in either of the cases :/ > Worked just fine for both. May be memory / hardware dependent. > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Gaurav Singh <grvanm.coder(a)gmail.com <mailto:grvanm.coder@gmail.com>> wrote: > It doesnt happen here , but i was wondering why did it happen in the string case even when the run time is just a few milliseconds ? >

April 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] 14606 Really Important bug - Can't see some variables values while debugging closure

by Max Leske

> On 03 Apr 2015, at 14:03, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-04-02 16:06 GMT+02:00 Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com <mailto:maxleske@gmail.com>>: > >> On 02 Apr 2015, at 00:29, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>> wrote: >> >> 2015-04-01 18:56 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>>: >> Issue 14606 [1] is tagged "Really Important" where evaluating.... >> >> | t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 | >> t1 := 1. >> t2 := 2. >> t3 := 3. >> t4 := 4. >> t5 := 5 . >> t6 := 6. >> [ t5 := 50. >> t6 := 60. >> t3 + t4. >> 1 halt. >> ] value >> >> => can't see the value of t4, t5, t6. >> >> I've just submitted a possible solution for this, but its a bit late before release for such a change - so I'm asking for "all hands in" to help stress test it. You don't need to review code, just please merge latest slice 14606 into your normal working image and report your experience. >> >> cheers -ben >> >> [1] https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14606#124466 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14606#124466> >> >> >> >> Here is a minimal example that does not work with your fix. (condensed from the failing test case) >> >> [ :x :y | >> (thisContext tempNamed: 'x') inspect. >> (1 to: 1) >> do: [ :i | >> | k l | >> k := y. >> l := x. >> (thisContext tempNamed: 'x') inspect ] ] value: 1 value: 23 >> >> Both inspector windows should show the same value for the argument 'x'. >> But the result is >> 1. inspector -> 1 >> 2. inspector -> 23 >> >> > > Before loading the slice, both inspectors show â1â. That canât be right eitherâ¦ > > No, that is correct. Both inspector inspect the block argument 'x', it is assigned with value 1 > with the message value:1 value:23 > and the block argument value can not change, therefore both inspect should show â1' Oops. i thought that x was being assigned to in the block :) > > > Max

April 3, 2015