March 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Automatically rewriting deprecations

by Marcus Denker

> On 14 Mar 2015, at 22:21, Camille <camille.teruel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On 14 Mar 2015, at 14:12, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> >>>> I do not know if you know but there is a support for automatically >>>> rewriting deprecated methods :) >>>> It is there but is not used. >>> >>> Nice. Looks like more deprecations should be done that way. >>> What would be needed to make that fit in the CI workflow well? >> I do not know. Now what would be good is to use this mecanism and learn. > > Itâs a small proof-of-concept I did last summer. > It should work but it has never been used seriously so it needs some love. > To try it: > > Gofer it > smalltalkhubUser: 'CamilleTeruel' project: 'Deprecator'; > package: 'Deprecator'; > load > We should add that to Pharo5 and start to use it then. Marcus

March 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT]: Fwd: Why GSoC? Why me?

by phil＠highoctane.be

>From the answers I read, this is just motivating to continue moving forward :-) Phil On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > philippeback wrote >> Because Sven articles are there already. > > Ah, okay :) I also posted to my blog and shared on reddit > http://redd.it/2z2ysg and HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9205061 > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OT-Fwd-Why-GSoC-Why-me-tp4811878p4811912.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

March 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT]: Fwd: Why GSoC? Why me?

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > Because Sven articles are there already. Ah, okay :) I also posted to my blog and shared on reddit http://redd.it/2z2ysg and HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9205061 ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OT-Fwd-Why-GSoC-Why-me-tp4811878p4811912.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Automatically rewriting deprecations

by Camille

> On 14 Mar 2015, at 14:12, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > >>> I do not know if you know but there is a support for automatically >>> rewriting deprecated methods :) >>> It is there but is not used. >> >> Nice. Looks like more deprecations should be done that way. >> What would be needed to make that fit in the CI workflow well? > I do not know. Now what would be good is to use this mecanism and learn. Itâs a small proof-of-concept I did last summer. It should work but it has never been used seriously so it needs some love. To try it: Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'CamilleTeruel' project: 'Deprecator'; package: 'Deprecator'; load Camille > Stef >

March 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT]: Fwd: Why GSoC? Why me?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Because Sven articles are there already. Cool intro. And yes, it is the car. Best I drove. Proud to be contributing! Phil Le 14 mars 2015 17:50, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> a Ã©crit : > philippeback wrote > > make this a medium article. > > Done. > > https://medium.com/@SeanDenigris/programmers-you-probably-don-t-know-what-a… > > p.s. Why Medium specifically? I've never posted there before... > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/OT-Fwd-Why-GSoC-Why-me-tp4811878p4811884.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

March 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] Re: Status of Pharo VM for FreeBSD

by Andreas Wacknitz

Hi Eliot, > Am 11.03.2015 um 23:15 schrieb Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com>: > > HI Andreas, > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Andreas Wacknitz <a.wacknitz(a)gmx.de <mailto:a.wacknitz@gmx.de>> wrote: > > Hi Clement, > >> Am 11.03.2015 um 09:23 schrieb ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com <mailto:bera.clement@gmail.com>>: >> >> Hello, >> >> About the FreeBSD VM, Holger Freyther worked on it so he's the best person to answer. I think some people used it and it was at least partially working. > Thatâs my impression. The VMMaker contains some FreeBSD classes but I have the impression that they are not complete (and probably outdated). > >> >> About your NativeBoost bug on openSolaris, need more information: >> >> - Can you confirm that you use an intel processor on your openSolaris machine ? I assume that yes but I ask because solaris were typically running on other processors. NativeBoost, as of today, works only with intel processor. >> > Yes, my Sun Ultra 24 is an Intel based Workstation (Q9300). > >> - Do you build the Cog VM or Stack VM ? I mean PharoVMBuild or PharoSVMBuild ? I think the PharoSVMBuild does not include NativeBoost by default, that may be your problem. There's a fix somewhere... >> > PharoVM from "branch 'master' of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm>" (thus Cog VM). > > I would like to fold back any changes into the svn master repository for Cog. What are the diffs? (If you have time to send me the diffs that would save me a lot of time). I donât know whether there is much to harvest from what I did. As far as I remember most of my work was hacking the generator image created by the pharo vm scripts (for my Mac) in order to make the resulting C code to compile under openindiana. The basis for Solaris was already there (and as far as I can see it is also in the Squeak VM sources). I only tweaked some definitions and includes. I will look at my notes tomorrow and will post if I will find something relevant. I am curios about the future of the PharoVM. The main development of the VM seem to happen in the SqueakVM (by you). Getting the Spur changes into the PharoVM seem to be a lot of work. Wouldnât it be better to move back the changes of the PharoVM into the SqueakVM and have a united development? And what is the status and what are the plans regarding Timothyâs (gettimothy) work? Regards Andreas

March 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT]: Fwd: Why GSoC? Why me?

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > make this a medium article. Done. https://medium.com/@SeanDenigris/programmers-you-probably-don-t-know-what-a… p.s. Why Medium specifically? I've never posted there before... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OT-Fwd-Why-GSoC-Why-me-tp4811878p4811884.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT]: Fwd: Why GSoC? Why me?

by phil＠highoctane.be

make this a medium article. Le 14 mars 2015 16:35, "Sean DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> a Ã©crit : > Writing the following message, which I wrote as an introduction to > Fossasiaâs prospective Smalltalk GSoC students, vividly reminded me of why > I love Smalltalk. So naturally, I want to share it with our communityâ¦ > > - Sean > > > Congratulations on finding Smalltalk. I doubt you have any idea how > important this could be for you. > > > > You may not realize it, but you have opened a portal to some of the > greatest minds in the history of our industry. In the beginning, for many > of our heroes - Doug Engelbart, Alan Kay, Seymour Papert - computing was > about the possibility of evolving the general level of human thought for > the benefit of mankind. Effective critical thinking is vital to modern life > e.g. the proper functioning of democratic governments. Yet traditional > media have been ineffective at improving our thought on a large scale. > Today, weâre mostly glorified "caveman with briefcases", reacting to the > same human universals as our distant ancestors - Fantasies, Stories, > Superstition, Religion/Magic, Vendetta. > > > > So what does this have to do with computing?! > > > > Iâm glad you asked :) In 1972, Alan Kay envisioned a "dynamic medium for > creative thought" which he called a Dynabook [2]. It was an answer to the > problem described above - a computer to support and guide minds to the > level required to overcome our uglier instincts, and replace them with our > highest ideas, like Equal Rights, Democracy, Slow Deep Thinking, Legal > System over Vendetta, Theory of Harmony - ideas which do not take seed on > their own, but must be actively nurtured. > > > > So what does this have to do with programming?! > > > > Iâm glad you asked that, too :) Smalltalk is interim[3] Dynabook > software! You have in your hands, not a programming language, but a live, > dynamic, turtles-all-the-way-down environment designed to provide "support > for the creative spirit in everyone". > > > > More practically, Smalltalk is a programming tool that allows > productivity unimaginable in most systems. And, if you put in enough time > and effort to actually think in it, it will help you program better in any > language you use. But, I think it would be a great waste if you left > Smalltalk "a better programmer", when the questions before you are: > > - What really matters? > > - How can computers fulfill on that? > > - How can I, as a programmer, contribute to that? > > > > Ideas for research: > > - Dynabook. Any of the original documents can be found easily online, > but particularly: > > - Afterword: What is a Dynabook > > - Personal Dynamic Media > > - Smalltalk: Design Principles Behind Smalltalk > > - Ivan Sutherlandâs Sketchpad > > - Doug Engelbart & "The Mother of All Demos" > > - Selfâs Morphic papers > > > > > > [1] Although few answers to date have been as thoughtful and daring as > LISP and Smalltalk > > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook > > [3] The Dynabook is a Platonic ideal, as so any implementation is just a > step along the way in an infinite game > > >

March 14, 2015

[OT]: Fwd: Why GSoC? Why me?

by Sean DeNigris

Writing the following message, which I wrote as an introduction to Fossasiaâs prospective Smalltalk GSoC students, vividly reminded me of why I love Smalltalk. So naturally, I want to share it with our communityâ¦ - Sean > Congratulations on finding Smalltalk. I doubt you have any idea how important this could be for you. > > You may not realize it, but you have opened a portal to some of the greatest minds in the history of our industry. In the beginning, for many of our heroes - Doug Engelbart, Alan Kay, Seymour Papert - computing was about the possibility of evolving the general level of human thought for the benefit of mankind. Effective critical thinking is vital to modern life e.g. the proper functioning of democratic governments. Yet traditional media have been ineffective at improving our thought on a large scale. Today, weâre mostly glorified "caveman with briefcases", reacting to the same human universals as our distant ancestors - Fantasies, Stories, Superstition, Religion/Magic, Vendetta. > > So what does this have to do with computing?! > > Iâm glad you asked :) In 1972, Alan Kay envisioned a "dynamic medium for creative thought" which he called a Dynabook [2]. It was an answer to the problem described above - a computer to support and guide minds to the level required to overcome our uglier instincts, and replace them with our highest ideas, like Equal Rights, Democracy, Slow Deep Thinking, Legal System over Vendetta, Theory of Harmony - ideas which do not take seed on their own, but must be actively nurtured. > > So what does this have to do with programming?! > > Iâm glad you asked that, too :) Smalltalk is interim[3] Dynabook software! You have in your hands, not a programming language, but a live, dynamic, turtles-all-the-way-down environment designed to provide "support for the creative spirit in everyone". > > More practically, Smalltalk is a programming tool that allows productivity unimaginable in most systems. And, if you put in enough time and effort to actually think in it, it will help you program better in any language you use. But, I think it would be a great waste if you left Smalltalk "a better programmer", when the questions before you are: > - What really matters? > - How can computers fulfill on that? > - How can I, as a programmer, contribute to that? > > Ideas for research: > - Dynabook. Any of the original documents can be found easily online, but particularly: > - Afterword: What is a Dynabook > - Personal Dynamic Media > - Smalltalk: Design Principles Behind Smalltalk > - Ivan Sutherlandâs Sketchpad > - Doug Engelbart & "The Mother of All Demos" > - Selfâs Morphic papers > > > [1] Although few answers to date have been as thoughtful and daring as LISP and Smalltalk > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook > [3] The Dynabook is a Platonic ideal, as so any implementation is just a step along the way in an infinite game

March 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] QUESTION about smalltalkhub.com/projectList

by phil＠highoctane.be

Sure. Go ahead. Thx for the json format! Phil Le 14 mars 2015 14:16, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > Soâ¦ I had some time this morning so I added the required /json to project > list. > > is /json and not ?format=json because > 1) it will be just one output format so no point on having a parameter, and > 2) is easier to add the filter that way :) > > This is still NOT in productionâ¦ it will be on monday, following the > advice of ânot deploying during week endsâ > > but nowâ¦ doing this idea came to my mind: actually, the name /projectList > is bad (super bad), because it is not a list of projects, but a list of > repositories. > Soâ¦ I think link should be: > > /list > > ot > > /repositoriesList > > instead. > > It will be a lot clearerâ¦ specially because Iâm also working on a page for > real projects (taken from the catalog made by Stef and Damien). > > So, what do you think? Can I rename the repositories list link? > > Esteban >

March 14, 2015