March 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo4] 203 issues tagged tagged for Pharo4

by Tudor Girba

Nice progress! Doru On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Pharo 4: 135 > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> >> > On 15 Mar 2015, at 18:17, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > >> > Progress! >> > >> > Pharo4: 188 >> >> More progress: 174 >> >> The idea is that for non-fixed issues, we keep only real âwithout that >> fixed, we can not releasedâ >> issues open. >> For issues with fixes, we are (still) a bit more relaxed: if it fixes a >> bug and is deemed to not have >> too much impact, it is fine. >> >> The closer the release comes, the harder we need to apply the âshow >> stopper onlyâ rule. >> >> Marcus >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

March 17, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] SpecTableLayout not in Pahro 4

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, since the PR merge was just around the license change nobody probably noticed it. Now you are both copyright holder, and the Spec license is back to MIT so it could be integrated, however: * Pharo 4.0 is due freeze in two weeks, so no new features should be added * There are currently larger Spec changes underway, so it may not be compatible and fixes may be required So please create an issue here https://pharo.fogbugz.com/ for it is not forgotten. > However I am not sure if Spec is maintained in-Image are in a different external repository. in image Peter

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] SpecTableLayout not in Pahro 4

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:50 AM, webwarrior <reg(a)webwarrior.ws> wrote: > I made several commits to Spec > (https://github.com/spec-framework/spec/pull/15) shortly before the > license > change. > That is the problem. After the license change Pharo could not pull from that repository. > I thought these changes would be merged into Pharo. However, they are not > in > Pharo 4 as for now. We could not. The license was incompatible. > Are there any problems? > > > You remain the copyright holder of your code, so you are free to submit your change directly to Pharo - but it is too late now for Pharo 4. Such is the knock on effect of someone unilaterally changing other peoples MIT contributions to GPL. However I am not sure if Spec is maintained in-Image are in a different external repository. cheers -ben

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] pharo vs. java

by Eliot Miranda

To compare more accurately try something equivalent to | a | a := '/home/anquetil/Documents/RMod/Tools/workspace/Blocks/jfreechart-0_9_0.mse' asFileReference readStream contents. 1 to: a size do: [ :i| | c | c:= a at: i. i:= i+1]. Eliot (phone) On Mar 16, 2015, at 1:49 AM, Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil(a)inria.fr> wrote: > '/home/anquetil/Documents/RMod/Tools/workspace/Blocks/jfreechart-0_9_0.mse' asFileReference readStream contents do: [ :c | i:= i+1].

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Workspace and GTPlayground menu item

by Ben Coman

There were complaints when Playground replaced Workspace as the default in the Pharo4-HEAD - even I, but I believe actually it was the right thing during "development" of Pharo 4 so that it got the wide exposure and feedback it needed for it to become a quality core tool. I think that was okay to "force" those of us happy to live on the bleeding edge - but the Release has a wider audience that is not necessarily so adaptable. I am thinking hypothetically where (teaching) organisations may turn off Playground so that existing documentation doesn't need updating - such that users now miss the opportunity to explore Playground. If there was both Playground and Workspace on the world-menu, the even though the documentation examples use workspace, users can explore using Playground on their own. Its common practice to overlap the addition and removal of tools - like a staged deprecation strategy. Maybe Pharo 5 can remove Workspace. cheers -ben On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2015, at 10:38, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > 2015-03-16 10:00 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > I *really* do not understand why people make such a fuss about this. > > > > it is not about me, I can live with that. > > What I don't want are extensive discussion after the release: "Why did > you remove the Workspace" > > I know. > > It is like someone said before: if we don't have anything new, why release > a new version at all ? > > > If you open a Playground and never do 'Do it and go', but instead keep > on using 'Do it' and 'Inspect it', the second pane never opens and there is > hardly any difference. You can keep using it as a notebook. > > > > But you do get the much nicer 'Print it' and so many other things. > > > > It took me some getting used to as well, but now I hardly notice the > difference. > > > > > On 16 Mar 2015, at 08:31, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > > > Why sorry? > > > > > > Doru > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 15.03.2015 um 22:35 schrieb stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > > > > >> > > >>> That is great. And you even have a solution for your problem. Both > of these will remain in the image for Pharo 4, so that solution will work. > > >>> > > >>> However, the menu is also the entry point for newcomers. We should > not bombard them with choices that distract them from their goal of > experiencing Pharo. > > >> > > >> Yes so please fix the tab label :) > > > > > > +1 (sorry, Doru :) ) > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Doru > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be < > phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > >>> My usage pattern is not that. > > >>> > > >>> I have GTPlayground disabled in the settings and GTInspector enabled > > >>> (Pharo3 here). > > >>> > > >>> And I've made a keybinding to open the playground. > > >>> And use Alt-o Alt-w for getting a workspace. > > >>> > > >>> So, I do use both. And not "one or the other". > > >>> > > >>> Phil > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > wrote: > > >>> > Hi, > > >>> > > > >>> > The Workspace is in the image. The only discussion is about the > title of the > > >>> > menu item. > > >>> > > > >>> > When the Playground is enabled, the menu should show Playground > instead of > > >>> > Workspace. And when the Workspace is enabled, it should show > Workspace. The > > >>> > slice in this direction is on my to do list. > > >>> > > > >>> > Cheers, > > >>> > Doru > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be < > phil(a)highoctane.be> > > >>> > wrote: > > >>> >> > > >>> >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> > wrote: > > >>> >> > Although it is difficult to find a agreement for this, I suggest > > >>> >> > to add a menu entry "Playground" and reuse the entry > "Workspace" for > > >>> >> > the old workspace. > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > Soon we will have a new Pharo release. And I am afraid there > will be > > >>> >> > some > > >>> >> > complaining > > >>> >> > like this: > > >>> >> > (Only on Workspace menu item that opens GTPlayground) > > >>> >> > -> "Hey where is my workspace?" > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > But instead I would like a > > >>> >> > Workspace menu item opens Workspace / Playground opens > GTPlayground: > > >>> >> > and the feedback: > > >>> >> > -> "Hey, GTPlayground is so cool" > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > what do you think? > > >>> >> > > >>> >> I think that this is the way I want things to be in Pharo4. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> If we get the Playground only, I want a way to get the workspace > as a > > >>> >> loadable configuration. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Phil > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > nicolai > > >>> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > -- > > >>> > www.tudorgirba.com > > >>> > > > >>> > "Every thing has its own flow" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > > >>> > > >>> "Every thing has its own flow" > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > > > > >

March 16, 2015

SpecTableLayout not in Pahro 4

by webwarrior

I made several commits to Spec (https://github.com/spec-framework/spec/pull/15) shortly before the license change. I thought these changes would be merged into Pharo. However, they are not in Pahro 4 as for now. Are there any problems? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/SpecTableLayout-not-in-Pahro-4-tp4812428.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Pharo4] Please test Pharo4 *now*

by jannik laval

Hi guys, phratch is already built on pharo 4. 30 students will use it. I will give you feedback. Cheers, Jannik 2015-03-16 18:14 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > > On 16 Mar 2015, at 17:39, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > As every year: We can only fix what we know. > > > > And this means that no, just because *you* think that X and Y obviously > needs to be fixed, > > it will only be fixed if > > a) there is an issue on the issue tracker > > b) someone fixes it. > > > > I should repeat: *Nothing*, even the most obvious or trivial, happens by > itself. > > > > Marcus > > Maybe it is also important to add that we are talking about bugs, not > features. > > This is not the time for free wheeling discussions about anything, we need > help in QA, to finalize the 4.0 release. > > Please load your code and give it a spin. > > Sven > > > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://www.approchealpes.info http://car.mines-douai.fr/

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Workspace and GTPlayground menu item

by stepharo

Le 16/3/15 10:22, Norbert Hartl a Ã©crit : > I think the tab header is disturbing me the most. It makes the UI look like a more heavy tool. The timestamp in the tab doesn't make it better :) And I do not want to have to change updated pharo yet another time or video just because of that. And I do not want to have to write (this is a timestamp and we do not know why).

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] VM Crash

by Markus Fritsche

Hi, for another experiment of mine I had to change the stack alignment in some NativeBoostWin32 class from to 16 I think - might worth a try? Best regards, Markus On 03/16/2015 05:00 PM, Franck Warlouzet wrote: > Hello, > > I tried to reproduce this bug, I have also an error with the same > configuration. I don't have his problem, however when I quit Pharo, > the connection shutdown makes Pharo crashes, but when I only do the > connection shutdown, it works. > > I downloaded the dllhere : > https://ci.inria.fr/dbxtalk/view/OpenDBX/job/CLibrary-OpenDBX-1.4.6-Mysql/P… > > Cheers, > Franck WARLOUZET

March 16, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo4] 203 issues tagged tagged for Pharo4

by Ben Coman

Pharo 4: 135 On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > On 15 Mar 2015, at 18:17, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > Progress! > > > > Pharo4: 188 > > More progress: 174 > > The idea is that for non-fixed issues, we keep only real âwithout that > fixed, we can not releasedâ > issues open. > For issues with fixes, we are (still) a bit more relaxed: if it fixes a > bug and is deemed to not have > too much impact, it is fine. > > The closer the release comes, the harder we need to apply the âshow > stopper onlyâ rule. > > Marcus >

March 16, 2015