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Re: [Pharo-dev] update of pharo by example?

by Dmitri Zagidulin

Ha, that's awesome! :) Thanks On Saturday, March 21, 2015, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Great welcome on board Dmitri , by the way my real name is Dimitri too :) > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Dmitri Zagidulin <dmitri(a)zagidulin.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmitri(a)zagidulin.net');>> wrote: > >> Thanks, Stef, Kilon. >> >> I would like to contribute, actually. >> (I made a PR to the original PBE repo and the Updated PBE, linking the >> Readmes to each other etc). >> My GitHub username is 'dmitrizagidulin', if you'd like to add me to >> contributors. >> >> (I'm happy to merge pull requests etc, if you guys are busy and dont want >> to deal with it). >> >> Dmitri >> >> On Saturday, March 21, 2015, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stepharo(a)free.fr');>> wrote: >> >>> thanks dmitri. >>> Indeed I would love to have people helping more. Damien and me are >>> flooded by work right now. >>> If you start here are some suggestions: >>> - start by the end chapters (there are easier because less dependent) >>> - I started to remove interaction details that will make the book >>> obsolete fast. >>> - I use Pharo and not Smalltalk most of the time. >>> - I control reference on squeak because this is a pharo book >>> - I'm redoing the diagram. >>> - I was stuck in the Object Model (because the code changed and I >>> should design an example >>> that will be stable over time and not based on the system). >>> Now the object model is not only presenting it but it is also >>> teaching fundamental aspects of oop (that unfortunately >>> many people got wrong. >>> >>> What would be good >>> - you can start reading what we did already >>> - ideally I would like to extend pillar so that we can execute the >>> code snippets automatically and check that they are correct >>> oscar had this excellent idea for PBE. >>> >>> if you start let us know :) >>> >>> We are working on a Mooc about Pharo so we want to have Pharo by Example >>> fully updated. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> Le 21/3/15 01:59, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : >>> >>> What's the workflow, to contribute to Updated Pharo By Example? >>> >>> Should people just make PRs against that repo? >>> >>> Looking over some of the other SquareBracketAssociates repos, there >>> seems to be a repository-based workflow? >>> - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress for work >>> in progress chapters >>> - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoReadyForReviews for >>> chapters ready for reviews? >>> Does that mean that one makes PRs to the main UPBE repo after they get >>> reviews? Or is this a previous / obsolete workflow? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Serge Stinckwich < >>> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You may have a look here: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample… >>>> >>>> and contribute here: >>>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel >>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>> > Hi! >>>> > >>>> > Iâve heard some of you are working on an update of pharo by example. >>>> Is >>>> > there anything ready for now? Some chapter maybe? >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > Alexandre >>>> > -- >>>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Serge Stinckwich >>>> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>>> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >

March 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

But seriously, for 4.0 ? Now ? > On 22 Mar 2015, at 00:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-03-21 23:02 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > Hi > > I want to clean Nautilus and to simplify its code and functionality. > In addition I want to reduce to student load in the context of the Mooc we will start to work on. > So I want to remove the lock mechanism and the multiple methods. This was an experience that did not > really work. It was nice to try but it is time to remove that. > > +1 (I never understood how to use this lock) > > > > So I hope that not many people use this feature. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15199 > > After I will start to clean the group to keep a consistent and useful subset. > > Stef > > >

March 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

by Nicolai Hess

2015-03-21 23:02 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > Hi > > I want to clean Nautilus and to simplify its code and functionality. > In addition I want to reduce to student load in the context of the Mooc we > will start to work on. > So I want to remove the lock mechanism and the multiple methods. This was > an experience that did not > really work. It was nice to try but it is time to remove that. > +1 (I never understood how to use this lock) > So I hope that not many people use this feature. > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15199 > > After I will start to clean the group to keep a consistent and useful > subset. > > Stef > > >

March 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] update of pharo by example?

by kilon alios

just sent you an invitation , should give you access to whole organization including all books. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Dmitri Zagidulin <dmitri(a)zagidulin.net> wrote: > Thanks, Stef, Kilon. > > I would like to contribute, actually. > (I made a PR to the original PBE repo and the Updated PBE, linking the > Readmes to each other etc). > My GitHub username is 'dmitrizagidulin', if you'd like to add me to > contributors. > > (I'm happy to merge pull requests etc, if you guys are busy and dont want > to deal with it). > > Dmitri > > On Saturday, March 21, 2015, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> thanks dmitri. >> Indeed I would love to have people helping more. Damien and me are >> flooded by work right now. >> If you start here are some suggestions: >> - start by the end chapters (there are easier because less dependent) >> - I started to remove interaction details that will make the book >> obsolete fast. >> - I use Pharo and not Smalltalk most of the time. >> - I control reference on squeak because this is a pharo book >> - I'm redoing the diagram. >> - I was stuck in the Object Model (because the code changed and I >> should design an example >> that will be stable over time and not based on the system). >> Now the object model is not only presenting it but it is also >> teaching fundamental aspects of oop (that unfortunately >> many people got wrong. >> >> What would be good >> - you can start reading what we did already >> - ideally I would like to extend pillar so that we can execute the >> code snippets automatically and check that they are correct >> oscar had this excellent idea for PBE. >> >> if you start let us know :) >> >> We are working on a Mooc about Pharo so we want to have Pharo by Example >> fully updated. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Le 21/3/15 01:59, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : >> >> What's the workflow, to contribute to Updated Pharo By Example? >> >> Should people just make PRs against that repo? >> >> Looking over some of the other SquareBracketAssociates repos, there >> seems to be a repository-based workflow? >> - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress for work in >> progress chapters >> - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoReadyForReviews for >> chapters ready for reviews? >> Does that mean that one makes PRs to the main UPBE repo after they get >> reviews? Or is this a previous / obsolete workflow? >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Serge Stinckwich < >> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You may have a look here: >>> >>> >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample… >>> >>> and contribute here: >>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>> > Hi! >>> > >>> > Iâve heard some of you are working on an update of pharo by example. Is >>> > there anything ready for now? Some chapter maybe? >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Alexandre >>> > -- >>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >>> >> >>

March 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] update of pharo by example?

by kilon alios

Great welcome on board Dmitri , by the way my real name is Dimitri too :) On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Dmitri Zagidulin <dmitri(a)zagidulin.net> wrote: > Thanks, Stef, Kilon. > > I would like to contribute, actually. > (I made a PR to the original PBE repo and the Updated PBE, linking the > Readmes to each other etc). > My GitHub username is 'dmitrizagidulin', if you'd like to add me to > contributors. > > (I'm happy to merge pull requests etc, if you guys are busy and dont want > to deal with it). > > Dmitri > > On Saturday, March 21, 2015, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> thanks dmitri. >> Indeed I would love to have people helping more. Damien and me are >> flooded by work right now. >> If you start here are some suggestions: >> - start by the end chapters (there are easier because less dependent) >> - I started to remove interaction details that will make the book >> obsolete fast. >> - I use Pharo and not Smalltalk most of the time. >> - I control reference on squeak because this is a pharo book >> - I'm redoing the diagram. >> - I was stuck in the Object Model (because the code changed and I >> should design an example >> that will be stable over time and not based on the system). >> Now the object model is not only presenting it but it is also >> teaching fundamental aspects of oop (that unfortunately >> many people got wrong. >> >> What would be good >> - you can start reading what we did already >> - ideally I would like to extend pillar so that we can execute the >> code snippets automatically and check that they are correct >> oscar had this excellent idea for PBE. >> >> if you start let us know :) >> >> We are working on a Mooc about Pharo so we want to have Pharo by Example >> fully updated. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Le 21/3/15 01:59, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : >> >> What's the workflow, to contribute to Updated Pharo By Example? >> >> Should people just make PRs against that repo? >> >> Looking over some of the other SquareBracketAssociates repos, there >> seems to be a repository-based workflow? >> - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress for work in >> progress chapters >> - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoReadyForReviews for >> chapters ready for reviews? >> Does that mean that one makes PRs to the main UPBE repo after they get >> reviews? Or is this a previous / obsolete workflow? >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Serge Stinckwich < >> serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You may have a look here: >>> >>> >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample… >>> >>> and contribute here: >>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel >>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>> > Hi! >>> > >>> > Iâve heard some of you are working on an update of pharo by example. Is >>> > there anything ready for now? Some chapter maybe? >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Alexandre >>> > -- >>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >>> >> >>

March 21, 2015

Jenkins - the reason of error

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, is it possible to find in CI why a particular test has failed? For example here https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-4.0-Issue-Validator/27669//artifact/val… it only shows the name of the method, but not the assert itself, nor some kind of debug log. Is this info available elsewhere? Thanks, Peter

March 21, 2015

Cleaning/Simplifying Nautilus

by stepharo

Hi I want to clean Nautilus and to simplify its code and functionality. In addition I want to reduce to student load in the context of the Mooc we will start to work on. So I want to remove the lock mechanism and the multiple methods. This was an experience that did not really work. It was nice to try but it is time to remove that. So I hope that not many people use this feature. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?15199 After I will start to clean the group to keep a consistent and useful subset. Stef

March 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] TextMorph scrolling the text on edit or selection operations

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

It looks good; would be nice to have something like "git blame" to find out why the line was added. Also even though this was morphic issue, perhaps we should start adding tests for spec since there are none. :( Peter On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am assuming that I am not the only one that gets very annoyed when a > TextMorph scrolls the text when typing, such that the line I am typing is > always at the bottom, or scrolls the debugger when I am stepping over > instructions. I looked into this (bug > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12569/TextModel-should-not-move-scroll-wh… > actually) and I found a fix. > > But first I want to understand why the code is as it is. Anybody have any > idea why PluggableTextMorph>>setTextBasic: starts with scrollBar setValue: > 0.0. ?? If I remove this line the very annoying behavior is gone, and as > far as I can see there are no negative consequences on text handling (and > scrolling) in general. So I am wondering why it is there at all. > > A slice with my fix is in the inbox if you want to play a bit with it: > SLICE-Issue-12569-TextModel-should-not-move-scroll-when-accepting-text-johanfabry.1 > > Please have a look, this behavior has been getting on my nerves for quite > some time now â¦ > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > >

March 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Upgrading Fuel Data

by stepharo

thanks max. Fuel is cool and your effort is valuable to all of us. Stef Le 21/3/15 19:52, Max Leske a Ã©crit : > Hi Sean. > > Iâve added the necessary changes to Fuel so that 1.9.4 now cleanly > loads (with all tests green) in Pharo 3 and Squeak 4.5. > The build matrix on the CI has been updated to account for versions > 1.9.3 and 1.9.4 (across all image versions) and the development build > now again only builds for Pharo 4. > > So you can now safely do > > Gofer it > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Fuel/main' > <http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/Fuel/main%27>; > package: 'ConfigurationOfFuel'; > load. > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfFuel) project version: â1.9.4') > load. > > in any image version prior to the latest, and in the latest of course > (so in 30, 40, Squeak4.5, Squeak4.6). > > I hope this makes image migrations a bit easier. Please let us know if > you have more suggestions (as I already said, the version problem is > on our list). > > Cheers, > Max > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *Date: *3 Mar 2015 18:03:08 CET >> *From: *"Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com >> <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> >> *To: *pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >> *Subject: **Re: [Pharo-dev] Upgrading Fuel Data* >> *Reply-To: *Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org>> >> >> Sean P. DeNigris wrote >>> To a newer user, this could be a confidence-shaking deal breaker. >> >> Workaround: >> 1. Revert Fuel package to v. 798 i.e. just before version bump >> 2. Materialize data >> 3. Reload original Fuel package (currently v. 804) >> >> Suggestions: >> 1. unless/until we have a Fuel migration tool, at minimum, any Fuel >> version >> integrated into latest Pharo must be loadable in the previous Pharo >> version. >> E.g. if Fuel 1.9.4 was loadable in Pharo 3.0, migration would be a bit >> awkward, but doable. >> 2. Maybe more guidance in the default error behavior would help e.g. >> put up >> text suggesting to either a) temporarily downgrade Fuel to whatever >> version >> on first materialization, or b) re-serialize in the image where the >> data was >> serialized after upgrading Fuel >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Upgrading-Fuel-Data-tp4809243p4809265.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com <http://Nabble.com>. >> >

March 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] update of pharo by example?

by Dmitri Zagidulin

Thanks, Stef, Kilon. I would like to contribute, actually. (I made a PR to the original PBE repo and the Updated PBE, linking the Readmes to each other etc). My GitHub username is 'dmitrizagidulin', if you'd like to add me to contributors. (I'm happy to merge pull requests etc, if you guys are busy and dont want to deal with it). Dmitri On Saturday, March 21, 2015, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > thanks dmitri. > Indeed I would love to have people helping more. Damien and me are flooded > by work right now. > If you start here are some suggestions: > - start by the end chapters (there are easier because less dependent) > - I started to remove interaction details that will make the book > obsolete fast. > - I use Pharo and not Smalltalk most of the time. > - I control reference on squeak because this is a pharo book > - I'm redoing the diagram. > - I was stuck in the Object Model (because the code changed and I > should design an example > that will be stable over time and not based on the system). > Now the object model is not only presenting it but it is also teaching > fundamental aspects of oop (that unfortunately > many people got wrong. > > What would be good > - you can start reading what we did already > - ideally I would like to extend pillar so that we can execute the > code snippets automatically and check that they are correct > oscar had this excellent idea for PBE. > > if you start let us know :) > > We are working on a Mooc about Pharo so we want to have Pharo by Example > fully updated. > > Stef > > > Le 21/3/15 01:59, Dmitri Zagidulin a Ã©crit : > > What's the workflow, to contribute to Updated Pharo By Example? > > Should people just make PRs against that repo? > > Looking over some of the other SquareBracketAssociates repos, there seems > to be a repository-based workflow? > - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoInProgress for work in > progress chapters > - https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoReadyForReviews for > chapters ready for reviews? > Does that mean that one makes PRs to the main UPBE repo after they get > reviews? Or is this a previous / obsolete workflow? > > > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Serge Stinckwich < > serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> You may have a look here: >> >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample… >> >> and contribute here: >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alexandre.bergel(a)me.com');>> wrote: >> > Hi! >> > >> > Iâve heard some of you are working on an update of pharo by example. Is >> > there anything ready for now? Some chapter maybe? >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >> >> > >

March 21, 2015