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Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving communication and roadmap

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 28 Mar 2015, at 16:05, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > I think the fear that someone else might do something similar should not stop action. > > Having multiple solutions to choose from is a good thing :) +1 We need options, backups, alternatives, it is a free world, and nothing is set in stone. > Cheers, > Doru > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > stepharo wrote > > So I would like to propose that we share a kind of board of announce on > > what people are doing. > > Thank you! This is great. I've also been hesitant to work on certain things > (e.g. cleaning up Morphic events) because I didn't want to unintentionally > overlap with someone else's work. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Improving-communication-and-roadmap-tp4815705p4815753… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

March 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving communication and roadmap

by kilon alios

the advantage of a roadmap is that allows people that can agree on principle on a specific kind of approach can work together as a team towards a common goal under the same project. People who cant find someone else to agree with them, or dont like the existing solutions can always follow their own path and create their own code. On other hand those kind of people can also benefit from a roadmap because a roadmap is always an attractive force for contributors. When I (used here generally not just to refer to me) know what your intention is with this code in the future , I will be far more willing to help you out if our goals are common. If not then roadmap can still be useful if I dont want our two projects , mine and yours to overlap. So a roadmap is a win win situation. And I dont even need to go into the advantages of planning ahead. On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I think the fear that someone else might do something similar should not > stop action. > > Having multiple solutions to choose from is a good thing :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > wrote: > >> stepharo wrote >> > So I would like to propose that we share a kind of board of announce on >> > what people are doing. >> >> Thank you! This is great. I've also been hesitant to work on certain >> things >> (e.g. cleaning up Morphic events) because I didn't want to unintentionally >> overlap with someone else's work. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Improving-communication-and-roadmap-tp4815705p4815753… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

March 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving communication and roadmap

by Tudor Girba

I think the fear that someone else might do something similar should not stop action. Having multiple solutions to choose from is a good thing :) Cheers, Doru On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > stepharo wrote > > So I would like to propose that we share a kind of board of announce on > > what people are doing. > > Thank you! This is great. I've also been hesitant to work on certain things > (e.g. cleaning up Morphic events) because I didn't want to unintentionally > overlap with someone else's work. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Improving-communication-and-roadmap-tp4815705p4815753… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

March 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving communication and roadmap

by Tudor Girba

Hi Stef, On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > I have a general comments. > Doru in a recent email you complain that people may (and it was not the > case) think that GT was out of Pharo. I did not complain. I just noticed how several times there it was argued that something is imposed from GT onto Pharo and that because <example> is in a certain way only in GT it somehow plays a secondary importance. This implies that collectively, we reason about GT as being separate from Pharo. > Now I think that the group does not mention clearly enough his plans. And in general groups (like rmod too). > We worked only on the things we announced since the PharoDays in January: - Spotter - Inspector/Playground - Chatter For example, we just get that there is a support for code critics. > You just get the news because it just happened days before the announcement of Uko. And this was not following a big master plan. It was a mere couple of hours of playing around with implementing more examples of how to use Spotter by Stefan Reichhart (the newest GT team member). Please look back, and you will notice that every significant feature that is released comes with a prominent description on http://humane-assessment.com. And along the way we also describe examples of how to use GT. I honestly do not know how to provide more. About the Quality Assistant of Yuriy I have been discussing regularly with > him to make sure that I > would not launch something that would compete with him and that I do not > pay a student for > something in concurrence. I discussed with Alberto student that should work on improving Ecompletion > and I change the topic of > a guy coming to work with us. > So I would like to propose that we share a kind of board of announce on > what people are doing. > For example starting 1 of april > Franck will work on improving pretty printing > Merwane will work on 3D and event touch > Thomas will work on code review > Cyril will work on pillar improvements > Kevin on decompiler > Julien on remote environment or new collection > That is welcome information, which was indeed opaque until now. On Tuesday we will organize a working session in Bern on the Pharo IDE with exactly the goal of supporting more exchange. > So what do you think. For me I think that this is important. > Because I would like to lower frustration. > What is the concrete proposal? To send emails here when we know we are switching topics? We did that regarding GT and it seems to not be enough. What else is needed? Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

March 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Improving communication and roadmap

by Sean P. DeNigris

stepharo wrote > So I would like to propose that we share a kind of board of announce on > what people are doing. Thank you! This is great. I've also been hesitant to work on certain things (e.g. cleaning up Morphic events) because I didn't want to unintentionally overlap with someone else's work. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Improving-communication-and-roadmap-tp4815705p4815753… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] collecting Pharo 4.0 Contributors

by stepharo

Le 27/3/15 22:02, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > EstebanLM wrote >> Sean DeNigris >> Sean De Nigris > I'm on there twice... maybe once for working and once for complaining ha ha probably :) > ;) Sorry, couldn't resist. > b.t.w. the first spelling is the correct one. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/collecting-Pharo-4-0-Contributors-tp4814792p4815671.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

March 28, 2015

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Branch: refs/tags/40586 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

March 28, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 5042a3: 40586

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March 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo sprint on Friday, 3rd April

by Marcus Denker

> > This means having a look at the issue tracker to find some issue that are > interesting to work on could be an idea. > > Maybe a trello board could be used to sync for the remote sprinters. > https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W <https://trello.com/b/OQ2k210W> It is public for viewing, for editing I think we need to add people. Marcus

March 28, 2015

Improving communication and roadmap

by stepharo

Hi guys I have a general comments. Doru in a recent email you complain that people may (and it was not the case) think that GT was out of Pharo. Now I think that the group does not mention clearly enough his plans. And in general groups (like rmod too). For example, we just get that there is a support for code critics. About the Quality Assistant of Yuriy I have been discussing regularly with him to make sure that I would not launch something that would compete with him and that I do not pay a student for something in concurrence. I discussed with Alberto student that should work on improving Ecompletion and I change the topic of a guy coming to work with us. So I would like to propose that we share a kind of board of announce on what people are doing. For example starting 1 of april Franck will work on improving pretty printing Merwane will work on 3D and event touch Thomas will work on code review Cyril will work on pillar improvements Kevin on decompiler Julien on remote environment or new collection So what do you think. For me I think that this is important. Because I would like to lower frustration. Stef

March 28, 2015