February 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Order/priority of StartupAction

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:29, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: > > Ok, thanks. I can probably live with that ;) > > Last question on configurations: Is there a way to specify different #postLoadDoIt:: depending on which group gets loaded? I know you can specify per-package #postLoadDoIt: That is beyond me, sorry. But you could dispatch yourself if you wanted to. > Thanks a lot for your time! > > Roby > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:21, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> No, it only works for the default group and stable version. >> >>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:09, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Sven! P.s. any way to specify, for example, which group to load? In my configuration, for example, I was using this method to load >>> >>> loadAsUser >>> <apiDocumentation> >>> ^(self project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('User'). >>> >>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:46, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Indeed I have a configuration, that is the only thing that my startup script does in fact. >>>>> >>>>> However I know that people prefer automatic stuffs (i.e., put the script once in the folder and forget about it). >>>>> Concerning the configuration browser, I have no idea how to put my configuration in it. >>>> >>>> If you are part of 'Team Pharo' on StHub, you can copy your configuration to a designated repository, per Pharo version, like http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo40/main/ >>>> >>>> That's it, really - the responsibility is all yours of course ;-) >>>> >>>>> Roby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:37, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the one side, I see (and agreed) what you said. But suppose you want to provide users with a script that loads your package and you want for them minimal effort, i.e., copy the script file in the correct folder on their PC. Then you cannot really use your approach. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert, >>>>>> >>>>>> What is wrong with a simple configuration that users can load with one-click using the configuration browser ? It can't get much simpler than that, IMHO, and you can do everything you want (post load actions, ..). >>>>>> >>>>>> Sven >>>>>> >>>>>>> However, thanks for sharing your automagic way of initializing your image ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> R >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 15:50, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Roberto Minelli-3 wrote >>>>>>>>> Is there any way to specify an order or priority of StartupAction? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The startup action framework is an awesome tool to set up one's images >>>>>>>> automagically. And... working with script files sucks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use a minimal script to load a Metacello project with my actual startup >>>>>>>> logic. It never changes, so instead of hand-editing scripts, I do all that >>>>>>>> work in the image with the full power of the environment. This is the whole >>>>>>>> script: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> StartupLoader default executeAtomicItems: { >>>>>>>> StartupAction name: 'Load DeNigrisPreferences' code: [ >>>>>>>> Gofer it >>>>>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/SeanDeNigris/DeNigrisPreferences/main'; >>>>>>>> package: 'DeNigrisPreferences-Core'; >>>>>>>> load. >>>>>>>> ] runOnce: true. >>>>>>>> }. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The code is public. While it's fairly specific to my workflow, it may serve >>>>>>>> as inspiration. The trickiest part was that the code couldn't depend on >>>>>>>> Metacello (I don't remember why. This may have been when not all platforms >>>>>>>> had Metacello pre-installed. Actually, I think I'll try using Metacello >>>>>>>> now!). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HTH. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Order-priority-of-StartupAction-tp4804596p4804645.html >>>>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Set>>#noCheckAdd:

by Max Leske

> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:27, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > Then what is good? > > Does it make sense to wrap dictionary and use keys for the part that I use for equality? Because I need to have instances of a class to appear only once, but I want to be able to override instance when I add a new one. Dictionary does sound better to me. #noCheckAdd: would only work if both objects had the same equality definition anyway and other options always include two explicit operations (remove + add), while dictionary allows explicit writes and has #at:ifAbsent:put which will return the stored object or the newly put one if none was there. Cheers, Max > > Uko > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:22, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:08, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Iâm looking for a way to add an element to a Set and override the existing one if it is already in the set. I found #noCheckAdd: method, but a comment says that it should be deprecated. Is there any other solution I should follow? >> >> Why would you want to do that? If you need to replace the object then they are obviously not equal and a set may be the wrong data structure... >> >>> >>> Uko >> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2015

Some debugger vars incorrectly displayed as nil

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, some from time to time some variables are shown in the debugger as nils, despite the fact that they are not (if you inspect them you get a value). Is it a known issue? By the way in âall temp varsâ itâs displayed fine, Iâll add screenshots: Uko

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Order/priority of StartupAction

by Roberto Minelli

Ok, thanks. I can probably live with that ;) Last question on configurations: Is there a way to specify different #postLoadDoIt:: depending on which group gets loaded? I know you can specify per-package #postLoadDoIt: Thanks a lot for your time! Roby > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:21, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > No, it only works for the default group and stable version. > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:09, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >> >> Thanks Sven! P.s. any way to specify, for example, which group to load? In my configuration, for example, I was using this method to load >> >> loadAsUser >> <apiDocumentation> >> ^(self project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('User'). >> >>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:46, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> Indeed I have a configuration, that is the only thing that my startup script does in fact. >>>> >>>> However I know that people prefer automatic stuffs (i.e., put the script once in the folder and forget about it). >>>> Concerning the configuration browser, I have no idea how to put my configuration in it. >>> >>> If you are part of 'Team Pharo' on StHub, you can copy your configuration to a designated repository, per Pharo version, like http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo40/main/ >>> >>> That's it, really - the responsibility is all yours of course ;-) >>> >>>> Roby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:37, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>>> >>>>>> On the one side, I see (and agreed) what you said. But suppose you want to provide users with a script that loads your package and you want for them minimal effort, i.e., copy the script file in the correct folder on their PC. Then you cannot really use your approach. >>>>> >>>>> Robert, >>>>> >>>>> What is wrong with a simple configuration that users can load with one-click using the configuration browser ? It can't get much simpler than that, IMHO, and you can do everything you want (post load actions, ..). >>>>> >>>>> Sven >>>>> >>>>>> However, thanks for sharing your automagic way of initializing your image ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> R >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 15:50, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roberto Minelli-3 wrote >>>>>>>> Is there any way to specify an order or priority of StartupAction? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The startup action framework is an awesome tool to set up one's images >>>>>>> automagically. And... working with script files sucks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use a minimal script to load a Metacello project with my actual startup >>>>>>> logic. It never changes, so instead of hand-editing scripts, I do all that >>>>>>> work in the image with the full power of the environment. This is the whole >>>>>>> script: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> StartupLoader default executeAtomicItems: { >>>>>>> StartupAction name: 'Load DeNigrisPreferences' code: [ >>>>>>> Gofer it >>>>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/SeanDeNigris/DeNigrisPreferences/main'; >>>>>>> package: 'DeNigrisPreferences-Core'; >>>>>>> load. >>>>>>> ] runOnce: true. >>>>>>> }. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The code is public. While it's fairly specific to my workflow, it may serve >>>>>>> as inspiration. The trickiest part was that the code couldn't depend on >>>>>>> Metacello (I don't remember why. This may have been when not all platforms >>>>>>> had Metacello pre-installed. Actually, I think I'll try using Metacello >>>>>>> now!). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Order-priority-of-StartupAction-tp4804596p4804645.html >>>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Set>>#noCheckAdd:

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Then what is good? Does it make sense to wrap dictionary and use keys for the part that I use for equality? Because I need to have instances of a class to appear only once, but I want to be able to override instance when I add a new one. Uko > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:22, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:08, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, Iâm looking for a way to add an element to a Set and override the existing one if it is already in the set. I found #noCheckAdd: method, but a comment says that it should be deprecated. Is there any other solution I should follow? > > Why would you want to do that? If you need to replace the object then they are obviously not equal and a set may be the wrong data structure... > >> >> Uko > >

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Set>>#noCheckAdd:

by Max Leske

> On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:08, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > Hi, Iâm looking for a way to add an element to a Set and override the existing one if it is already in the set. I found #noCheckAdd: method, but a comment says that it should be deprecated. Is there any other solution I should follow? Why would you want to do that? If you need to replace the object then they are obviously not equal and a set may be the wrong data structure... > > Uko

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Order/priority of StartupAction

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

No, it only works for the default group and stable version. > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:09, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: > > Thanks Sven! P.s. any way to specify, for example, which group to load? In my configuration, for example, I was using this method to load > > loadAsUser > <apiDocumentation> > ^(self project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('User'). > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:46, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>> >>> Indeed I have a configuration, that is the only thing that my startup script does in fact. >>> >>> However I know that people prefer automatic stuffs (i.e., put the script once in the folder and forget about it). >>> Concerning the configuration browser, I have no idea how to put my configuration in it. >> >> If you are part of 'Team Pharo' on StHub, you can copy your configuration to a designated repository, per Pharo version, like http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo40/main/ >> >> That's it, really - the responsibility is all yours of course ;-) >> >>> Roby >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:37, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>> >>>>> On the one side, I see (and agreed) what you said. But suppose you want to provide users with a script that loads your package and you want for them minimal effort, i.e., copy the script file in the correct folder on their PC. Then you cannot really use your approach. >>>> >>>> Robert, >>>> >>>> What is wrong with a simple configuration that users can load with one-click using the configuration browser ? It can't get much simpler than that, IMHO, and you can do everything you want (post load actions, ..). >>>> >>>> Sven >>>> >>>>> However, thanks for sharing your automagic way of initializing your image ;) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 15:50, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Roberto Minelli-3 wrote >>>>>>> Is there any way to specify an order or priority of StartupAction? >>>>>> >>>>>> The startup action framework is an awesome tool to set up one's images >>>>>> automagically. And... working with script files sucks! >>>>>> >>>>>> I use a minimal script to load a Metacello project with my actual startup >>>>>> logic. It never changes, so instead of hand-editing scripts, I do all that >>>>>> work in the image with the full power of the environment. This is the whole >>>>>> script: >>>>>> >>>>>> StartupLoader default executeAtomicItems: { >>>>>> StartupAction name: 'Load DeNigrisPreferences' code: [ >>>>>> Gofer it >>>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/SeanDeNigris/DeNigrisPreferences/main'; >>>>>> package: 'DeNigrisPreferences-Core'; >>>>>> load. >>>>>> ] runOnce: true. >>>>>> }. >>>>>> >>>>>> The code is public. While it's fairly specific to my workflow, it may serve >>>>>> as inspiration. The trickiest part was that the code couldn't depend on >>>>>> Metacello (I don't remember why. This may have been when not all platforms >>>>>> had Metacello pre-installed. Actually, I think I'll try using Metacello >>>>>> now!). >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Order-priority-of-StartupAction-tp4804596p4804645.html >>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Order/priority of StartupAction

by Roberto Minelli

Thanks Sven! P.s. any way to specify, for example, which group to load? In my configuration, for example, I was using this method to load loadAsUser <apiDocumentation> ^(self project version: #bleedingEdge) load: #('User'). > On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:46, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >> >> Indeed I have a configuration, that is the only thing that my startup script does in fact. >> >> However I know that people prefer automatic stuffs (i.e., put the script once in the folder and forget about it). >> Concerning the configuration browser, I have no idea how to put my configuration in it. > > If you are part of 'Team Pharo' on StHub, you can copy your configuration to a designated repository, per Pharo version, like http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo40/main/ > > That's it, really - the responsibility is all yours of course ;-) > >> Roby >> >> >> >>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:37, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Sean, >>>> >>>> On the one side, I see (and agreed) what you said. But suppose you want to provide users with a script that loads your package and you want for them minimal effort, i.e., copy the script file in the correct folder on their PC. Then you cannot really use your approach. >>> >>> Robert, >>> >>> What is wrong with a simple configuration that users can load with one-click using the configuration browser ? It can't get much simpler than that, IMHO, and you can do everything you want (post load actions, ..). >>> >>> Sven >>> >>>> However, thanks for sharing your automagic way of initializing your image ;) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> R >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 15:50, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Roberto Minelli-3 wrote >>>>>> Is there any way to specify an order or priority of StartupAction? >>>>> >>>>> The startup action framework is an awesome tool to set up one's images >>>>> automagically. And... working with script files sucks! >>>>> >>>>> I use a minimal script to load a Metacello project with my actual startup >>>>> logic. It never changes, so instead of hand-editing scripts, I do all that >>>>> work in the image with the full power of the environment. This is the whole >>>>> script: >>>>> >>>>> StartupLoader default executeAtomicItems: { >>>>> StartupAction name: 'Load DeNigrisPreferences' code: [ >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/SeanDeNigris/DeNigrisPreferences/main'; >>>>> package: 'DeNigrisPreferences-Core'; >>>>> load. >>>>> ] runOnce: true. >>>>> }. >>>>> >>>>> The code is public. While it's fairly specific to my workflow, it may serve >>>>> as inspiration. The trickiest part was that the code couldn't depend on >>>>> Metacello (I don't remember why. This may have been when not all platforms >>>>> had Metacello pre-installed. Actually, I think I'll try using Metacello >>>>> now!). >>>>> >>>>> HTH. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Sean >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Order-priority-of-StartupAction-tp4804596p4804645.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2015

Set>>#noCheckAdd:

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Hi, Iâm looking for a way to add an element to a Set and override the existing one if it is already in the set. I found #noCheckAdd: method, but a comment says that it should be deprecated. Is there any other solution I should follow? Uko

Feb. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Order/priority of StartupAction

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:46, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: > > Indeed I have a configuration, that is the only thing that my startup script does in fact. > > However I know that people prefer automatic stuffs (i.e., put the script once in the folder and forget about it). > Concerning the configuration browser, I have no idea how to put my configuration in it. If you are part of 'Team Pharo' on StHub, you can copy your configuration to a designated repository, per Pharo version, like http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo40/main/ That's it, really - the responsibility is all yours of course ;-) > Roby > > > >> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 16:37, Roberto Minelli <roberto.minelli(a)usi.ch> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Sean, >>> >>> On the one side, I see (and agreed) what you said. But suppose you want to provide users with a script that loads your package and you want for them minimal effort, i.e., copy the script file in the correct folder on their PC. Then you cannot really use your approach. >> >> Robert, >> >> What is wrong with a simple configuration that users can load with one-click using the configuration browser ? It can't get much simpler than that, IMHO, and you can do everything you want (post load actions, ..). >> >> Sven >> >>> However, thanks for sharing your automagic way of initializing your image ;) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> R >>> >>> >>>> On 09 Feb 2015, at 15:50, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Roberto Minelli-3 wrote >>>>> Is there any way to specify an order or priority of StartupAction? >>>> >>>> The startup action framework is an awesome tool to set up one's images >>>> automagically. And... working with script files sucks! >>>> >>>> I use a minimal script to load a Metacello project with my actual startup >>>> logic. It never changes, so instead of hand-editing scripts, I do all that >>>> work in the image with the full power of the environment. This is the whole >>>> script: >>>> >>>> StartupLoader default executeAtomicItems: { >>>> StartupAction name: 'Load DeNigrisPreferences' code: [ >>>> Gofer it >>>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/SeanDeNigris/DeNigrisPreferences/main'; >>>> package: 'DeNigrisPreferences-Core'; >>>> load. >>>> ] runOnce: true. >>>> }. >>>> >>>> The code is public. While it's fairly specific to my workflow, it may serve >>>> as inspiration. The trickiest part was that the code couldn't depend on >>>> Metacello (I don't remember why. This may have been when not all platforms >>>> had Metacello pre-installed. Actually, I think I'll try using Metacello >>>> now!). >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Cheers, >>>> Sean >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Order-priority-of-StartupAction-tp4804596p4804645.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2015