December 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

version 50 of SecureSession is released

by Robert Withers

SecureSession is now FEC encoded. thanks, -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 18, 2015

Pharo Sprint in Santiago de Chile

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi, We are having Pharo Sprint in about one hour. If anyone is aware of an issue that is important to fix, we will appreciate if you mark it in FogBugz by sprint tag or post it here. Thanks, Juraj -- Juraj Kubelka

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] potential to include cryptography in base image

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Where did you save ConfigurationOfCryptography ? I can't find it in http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo50/main/ nor in http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo40/main/ Did you add catalog methods on the class side of your configuration ? Check the catalog class side protocol of, for example, ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents > On 18 Dec 2015, at 07:44, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > What shall I do after it passes tests in 50, Sven? They all pass. I have a saved ConfigurationOfCryptography but no catalog. > > R's, > robert > > On 12/15/2015 04:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Before you copy it to the 50 repo, you should test it on 50 ! >> >>> On 15 Dec 2015, at 20:59, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the links. I am ready to copy my ConfigurationOfCryptography to the MetaRepoForPharo50, though I did my work in Pharo 4, if that is ok. Could you add me so I can publish there, please? >>> >>> robert >>> >>> On 12/15/2015 12:55 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: >>>>> Alright, please let me know. If someone shows me how to get this into >>>>> configurations and the Catalog, we'll get it done. >>>> You just need to commit your configuration to MetaRepoForPharo50 (this >>>> should be public repo; if you can't commit ask on the mailing list and >>>> someone will add you). >>>> >>>> But before you do that, open Versionner (World > Tools > Versionner), >>>> right click your configuration and select "add catalog methods". >>>> This will add class-side methods to the Configuration class which you >>>> can modify to write things like description, website, tags, etc. >>>> >>>> You can also use the Veresionner to create your ConfigurationOf if you >>>> don't have one already, more info on Configurations can be found in >>>> DeepIntoPharo (Metacello chapter) >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/DeepIntoPharo/lastSuc… >>>> or look through other configurations in the image or search through >>>> mailing list archives, there should be plenty of information. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>> -- >>> . .. .. ^,^ best, robert >>> >> > > -- > . .. .. ^,^ robert >

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] OT: Convince me github is a wise choice

by Dimitris Chloupis

Google has several projects that they put serious effort and resources, the rest is just either abandonware or with very low activity. Google code was on such example. Half baked, limited, ugly and unchanged for years. I never understood why anyone would choose to host his project on google code. Sourceforge on the other hand was a really great site to host your project, actively developed etc I think the reason why they lost the #1 place is that they were a bit messy design wise and github is much simpler to use. Also most people migrated to git so they did not care about svn support and many of the features that Sourceforge offers. Suicide is to kill yourself and Sourceforge is far from dead, as a matter of fact is still a very popular destination for freeware and open source. And to return back to the original topic of the thread lets say you nuke Github from orbit right now. What you going to lose. issues / bug reports ? big deal people will report those bugs again in your future web host wiki ? Seriously why use Github wiki, its very limited and most github projects dont or do so in a very limited extend website ? Again github hosted website tend to be super simple comments on commits or discussions around design decisions ? sure that is something really valuable but still can live without Git is local hosted version control system. As long you have an updated repo which will be the case anyway if you are an active developer you lost nothing that would really hinder the progress of your project. The repo is already in your hard drive. And there are solutions out there to backup Github data , since as I already said the Github API gives you access to all its data and much more. On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:29 AM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Google is king of abandonware , they have closed down half of their > software > > projects, Google Code was just the tip of the iceberg . The other half > is > > close to be abandoned or at least heavily outdated. Moreover google code > was > > crappy anyway, its close down went unnoticed. > > > > Github is nowhere anything like Google and its insult to even compare the > > two. > > > This is an interesting comparison. Google have experimented in many > different directions away from their core business of search, that end > up coming to an end. Indeed if you look at the reason googlecode was > shut down, google says: "when it started Google Code when project > hosting options were limited, but since launch in 2006, it's seen a > "wide variety of better project hosting services" such as GitHub and > Bitbucket rise to the forefront. ... Google itself has transferred > nearly a thousand of its own open-source projects to the popular > coding repository GitHub." [1] > > A service shutting down sometime should be considered, but its a > different scenario that the one asked -- of new corporate overlords > extorting money from users. Probably the worst example of this is > Sourceforge. Once the darling on the open source community, > Sourceforge have committed reputational suicide [2] taking over > projects that moved elsewhere, and then bundling Adware with their > installers. [3] digs into the possibility the same could happen to > Github. > > Nothing is certain, but at least considering whether Github might do > something similar: > * AFAIAA Sourceforge never had paid developer accounts. They tried to > monetize the proejct's users. Github makes money from businesses > wanting private repositories. > * Reputation is fragile Sourceforge's plummet serves a cautionary tale. > * Sourceforge projects were hosted as sub-domains (e.g. > http://project-name.sourceforge.net) -- so while projects could move > away from Sourceforge, Sourceforge remained in control of their old > site. Github on the other hand allows you to host your repository on > your *own* domain [4]. So when you on from Github, your domain can > move too in a way that is largely transparent to the community. If > you want to be defensive, you should host github on your own domain. > > [1] > http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/13/8206903/google-code-is-closing-down-githu… > [2] > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2929732/open-source-software/sourceforge-c… > [3] > https://www.wiredtree.com/blog/could-github-eventually-suffer-the-same-fate… > [4] > https://help.github.com/articles/about-custom-domains-for-github-pages-site… > > cheers -ben > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:26 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo > >> <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> 2015-12-17 17:08 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil(a)inria.fr > >: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 17/12/2015 20:46, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Ah, that's interesting. So my concern is whether github is a safe > >>> >>> long-term bet. Specifically what is there to prevent some third > >>> >>> party from > >>> >>> buying github, or of github going public and the board taking the > >>> >>> decision, > >>> >>> or github on its own, deciding to charge for hosting, keeping the > >>> >>> data > >>> >>> hostage to extract payment? What safeguards are in place to > prevent > >>> >>> this? > >>> >>> I'm not interested in "this will never happen" arguments. I'm > >>> >>> interested > >>> >>> in hard data please. > >>> >> > >>> >> GitHub explicitly reserves the right to shut down without notice, > >>> >> however considering they have ~10M users and ~30M repositories > >>> >> (ranging from small one-person projects, over programming languages, > >>> >> to governmental programs), do you really think it is a real > scenario? > >>> > > >>> > well, googlecode closed didn't it? > >>> > and it was not a small affair either > >>> > >>> Google code was really small compared with Github. > >>> > >>> GitHub is monumental. It's to source management what Gmail is to email. > >>> > >>> > you never know what might happen in the future (trust a divorced man) > >>> > >>> You get half the code? (the part that needs refactoring probably) > >> > >> > >> > >> ROTFL > >> > >> _,,,^..^,,,_ > >> thanks, Eliot > >

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] TCP server for Pharo?

by stepharo

denis there is a chapter on socket in deep into pharo. Le 10/12/15 12:07, Denis Kudriashov a Ã©crit : > Hi. > > I need simple TCP server which process incoming connection in separate > processes. > I see Zinc ZnServer subclasses implement something like that. But I'm > not sure that it is good idea to reuse it. Zinc server has http > related methods which I'm not need. > > What you think? > > (I don't want to implement another one incoming connections loop)

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] potential to include cryptography in base image

by Robert Withers

What shall I do after it passes tests in 50, Sven? They all pass. I have a saved ConfigurationOfCryptography but no catalog. R's, robert On 12/15/2015 04:57 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Before you copy it to the 50 repo, you should test it on 50 ! > >> On 15 Dec 2015, at 20:59, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the links. I am ready to copy my ConfigurationOfCryptography to the MetaRepoForPharo50, though I did my work in Pharo 4, if that is ok. Could you add me so I can publish there, please? >> >> robert >> >> On 12/15/2015 12:55 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: >>>> Alright, please let me know. If someone shows me how to get this into >>>> configurations and the Catalog, we'll get it done. >>> You just need to commit your configuration to MetaRepoForPharo50 (this >>> should be public repo; if you can't commit ask on the mailing list and >>> someone will add you). >>> >>> But before you do that, open Versionner (World > Tools > Versionner), >>> right click your configuration and select "add catalog methods". >>> This will add class-side methods to the Configuration class which you >>> can modify to write things like description, website, tags, etc. >>> >>> You can also use the Veresionner to create your ConfigurationOf if you >>> don't have one already, more info on Configurations can be found in >>> DeepIntoPharo (Metacello chapter) >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/DeepIntoPharo/lastSuc… >>> or look through other configurations in the image or search through >>> mailing list archives, there should be plenty of information. >>> >>> Peter >>> >> -- >> . .. .. ^,^ best, robert >> > -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] VM Maker: VMMaker.oscog-eem.1609.mcz

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Can't wait esp for the 64-bit address space ;-) > On 18 Dec 2015, at 06:46, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > This is great news! > > Thierry > > Le 17/12/2015 20:12, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : >> Hi All, >> >> the real Cog 64-bit Spur x64 VM just evaluated 3+4 correctly on Mac >> OS X: >> >> >> â >> >> Early days yet. This is a debug VM. The optimised VM does not yet >> display the prompt. But we can be confident that a 64-bit JIT for Spur >> will be available some time in January. >> â >

Dec. 18, 2015

New version (47) of SecureSession for Pharo & Squeak

by Robert Withers

Please load the SecureSession.47 and drive it about a bit. I am missing crypto plugins on Pharo, so avoid the performance test, tto stay responsive. Here are some of the changes: - frame-based pipeline - header per msg so no mutable session state - header is written with message in Asn1Der encoding. - most header fields currently optional - adding per-connection msgId to header - timeSent set also - reworked TransportEndpoint to be better scoped. Looking forward: - extend frames into the strategy utilities - events Any issues or questions, please reach out. Thanks, robert

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] OT: Convince me github is a wise choice

by Ben Coman

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Google is king of abandonware , they have closed down half of their software > projects, Google Code was just the tip of the iceberg . The other half is > close to be abandoned or at least heavily outdated. Moreover google code was > crappy anyway, its close down went unnoticed. > > Github is nowhere anything like Google and its insult to even compare the > two. This is an interesting comparison. Google have experimented in many different directions away from their core business of search, that end up coming to an end. Indeed if you look at the reason googlecode was shut down, google says: "when it started Google Code when project hosting options were limited, but since launch in 2006, it's seen a "wide variety of better project hosting services" such as GitHub and Bitbucket rise to the forefront. ... Google itself has transferred nearly a thousand of its own open-source projects to the popular coding repository GitHub." [1] A service shutting down sometime should be considered, but its a different scenario that the one asked -- of new corporate overlords extorting money from users. Probably the worst example of this is Sourceforge. Once the darling on the open source community, Sourceforge have committed reputational suicide [2] taking over projects that moved elsewhere, and then bundling Adware with their installers. [3] digs into the possibility the same could happen to Github. Nothing is certain, but at least considering whether Github might do something similar: * AFAIAA Sourceforge never had paid developer accounts. They tried to monetize the proejct's users. Github makes money from businesses wanting private repositories. * Reputation is fragile Sourceforge's plummet serves a cautionary tale. * Sourceforge projects were hosted as sub-domains (e.g. http://project-name.sourceforge.net) -- so while projects could move away from Sourceforge, Sourceforge remained in control of their old site. Github on the other hand allows you to host your repository on your *own* domain [4]. So when you on from Github, your domain can move too in a way that is largely transparent to the community. If you want to be defensive, you should host github on your own domain. [1] http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/13/8206903/google-code-is-closing-down-githu… [2] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2929732/open-source-software/sourceforge-c… [3] https://www.wiredtree.com/blog/could-github-eventually-suffer-the-same-fate… [4] https://help.github.com/articles/about-custom-domains-for-github-pages-site… cheers -ben > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:26 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo >> <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 2015-12-17 17:08 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil(a)inria.fr>: >>> > >>> > >>> > On 17/12/2015 20:46, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Ah, that's interesting. So my concern is whether github is a safe >>> >>> long-term bet. Specifically what is there to prevent some third >>> >>> party from >>> >>> buying github, or of github going public and the board taking the >>> >>> decision, >>> >>> or github on its own, deciding to charge for hosting, keeping the >>> >>> data >>> >>> hostage to extract payment? What safeguards are in place to prevent >>> >>> this? >>> >>> I'm not interested in "this will never happen" arguments. I'm >>> >>> interested >>> >>> in hard data please. >>> >> >>> >> GitHub explicitly reserves the right to shut down without notice, >>> >> however considering they have ~10M users and ~30M repositories >>> >> (ranging from small one-person projects, over programming languages, >>> >> to governmental programs), do you really think it is a real scenario? >>> > >>> > well, googlecode closed didn't it? >>> > and it was not a small affair either >>> >>> Google code was really small compared with Github. >>> >>> GitHub is monumental. It's to source management what Gmail is to email. >>> >>> > you never know what might happen in the future (trust a divorced man) >>> >>> You get half the code? (the part that needs refactoring probably) >> >> >> >> ROTFL >> >> _,,,^..^,,,_ >> thanks, Eliot

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Vm-dev] VM Maker: VMMaker.oscog-eem.1609.mcz

by Thierry Goubier

This is great news! Thierry Le 17/12/2015 20:12, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : > Hi All, > > the real Cog 64-bit Spur x64 VM just evaluated 3+4 correctly on Mac > OS X: > > > â > > Early days yet. This is a debug VM. The optimised VM does not yet > display the prompt. But we can be confident that a 64-bit JIT for Spur > will be available some time in January. > â

Dec. 18, 2015