October 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 03 Oct 2015, at 09:35, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi guys > > I think that esteban will have some work to detress from FFI and Spur hacking :). > > Some random thoughts: > > - We should have by default icon objects (and not their description and the objects in the image) in the image how so? > - We should not need to access github to get pharo running :) you DO NOT need it! > -- icon description should be cached on the disc (I was teaching in a place where there is no internet). they are cached :) > - Icons should probably also delivered modularly (a tool may want to have specific button). > - Do not push changes like that the friday afternoon :) wellâ¦ it was yesterday or never. Now I need to finish it, of course :) Anyone wanting to use the old icons still can do: ThemeIcons current: EclipseUIThemeIcons new. (but this will go away, so beware of it) Esteban > > > Stef > > Le 2/10/15 19:40, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : >> The latest changes on ThemeIcons completely broke functionality and >> icons of external and included packages. >> >> 1. Intelli J Icons are now used as default, but most icons of >> external packages (Pomodoro, MongoTools, EventRecorder, ScriptManager, ....) >> align with the eclipse icon set. Can we please stay with Eclipse as default >> so that we do not have to introduce intelliJ icons on each external >> project as well? >> >> 2. The mechanisms of ThemeIcons class do not work anymore. The icons in >> Versionner are lost. Also other external package who extended ThemeIcons >> (like DesktopManager) are now broken. >> Just try to load it into a Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50359 now >> >> 3. Some of the icons are removed - for instance in catalog and moved to >> be retrieved from Github. But we wanted to componentize the image >> into configs. So the icons of catalog should belong to this project. Right? >> >> 4. I can not open the settings in the latest image anymore because the icons >> are tried to retrieve from Github using a HTTPS connection. >> Doesnt work either because I'm on Windows, because of HTTPs, because >> ZnClient does not deal with a firewall correctly. >> It is not good to rely on additional external downloads directly. >> >> I know we want to make progress ... but were such changes discussed on the list >> before? >> >> Thx >> T. >> >> >> >> >> > >

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 02 Oct 2015, at 20:34, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > 2015-10-02 19:40 GMT+02:00 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de <mailto:astares@gmx.de>>: > > 4. I can not open the settings in the latest image anymore because the icons > are tried to retrieve from Github using a HTTPS connection. > > > That is really bad, I am working behind a proxy too. but you will not be forced to go through it. this is just if you want to change the icon set. Esteban >

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, this is an ongoing change. I still need to push two slices :) Final change will be backward compatible. What we are doing is eliminating the multiple icon sets from the imageâ¦ we will have just one, and people will be able to load others if desired, but they *will not* live inside the image (I would like to make the same for themes, but thatâs a lot more complicated). The idea is that people can contribute icons / iconpacks same way linux distros work (ok, we are not as big, but you get the idea). > On 02 Oct 2015, at 19:40, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > The latest changes on ThemeIcons completely broke functionality and > icons of external and included packages. > > 1. Intelli J Icons are now used as default, but most icons of > external packages (Pomodoro, MongoTools, EventRecorder, ScriptManager, ....) > align with the eclipse icon set. Can we please stay with Eclipse as default > so that we do not have to introduce intelliJ icons on each external > project as well? not really. we decided the change because eclipse icons do not work at all with dark-theme (and there is no easy way to adopt the svg eclipse icons) So after trying a couple of things, we decided that this iconset works fine in all themes (eclipse maybe do not break existing tools, but you cannot use eclipse with dark theme so many people are outside). You will still be able to change to eclipse pack if desired. > > 2. The mechanisms of ThemeIcons class do not work anymore. The icons in > Versionner are lost. Also other external package who extended ThemeIcons > (like DesktopManager) are now broken. > Just try to load it into a Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50359 now. As I say, extension to theme icons will be compatible, just let me finish :) nowâ¦ all subclasses will go away so projects will need to adapt (they will need to extend ThemeIcons instead his children). > > > 3. Some of the icons are removed - for instance in catalog and moved to > be retrieved from Github. But we wanted to componentize the image > into configs. So the icons of catalog should belong to this project. Right? more or lessâ¦ we do not have still a good way to do that. so, we are adopting something like a âlinux desktopâ style: we allow icon packs to include icons specific to tools. for example, nothing is agains having idea11/eclipse/other icons overlays versionner catalog etc. is not perfect, but since is how linux distros work, I think finding a good solution is not so easy (Iâm playing with some pragma-based ideas but not sure how to implement them yetâ¦) > > 4. I can not open the settings in the latest image anymore because the icons > are tried to retrieve from Github using a HTTPS connection. > Doesnt work either because I'm on Windows, because of HTTPs, because > ZnClient does not deal with a firewall correctly. > It is not good to rely on additional external downloads directly. not that I did not think about :) in fact you do not need to go out, is just the way I implemented it in settings. If you have icons package in ./icon-packs, they will be load from there, I will change some stuff then: - I will not auto-fetch available packs. Instead, I will add a âfetchâ button in settings. - I will make possible to specify urls/directories to fetch. - I will add a way to do something like that: ThemeIcons new loadFromArchive: aReference; beCurrent. so anyone can have the iconset they want in their machine and load in startup without going through internet. > > I know we want to make progress ... but were such changes discussed on the list > before? I think we discussed it but like one-two years agoâ¦ just now I got burned by spur and I did this âto relax a bit" :) Iâm sorry if we failed again with communication, sometimes we do not do the movements in right order :( I will try to enhance that. Esteban > > > Thx > T. > > > >

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by stepharo

Hi guys I think that esteban will have some work to detress from FFI and Spur hacking :). Some random thoughts: - We should have by default icon objects (and not their description and the objects in the image) in the image - We should not need to access github to get pharo running :) -- icon description should be cached on the disc (I was teaching in a place where there is no internet). - Icons should probably also delivered modularly (a tool may want to have specific button). - Do not push changes like that the friday afternoon :) Stef Le 2/10/15 19:40, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : > The latest changes on ThemeIcons completely broke functionality and > icons of external and included packages. > > 1. Intelli J Icons are now used as default, but most icons of > external packages (Pomodoro, MongoTools, EventRecorder, ScriptManager, ....) > align with the eclipse icon set. Can we please stay with Eclipse as default > so that we do not have to introduce intelliJ icons on each external > project as well? > > 2. The mechanisms of ThemeIcons class do not work anymore. The icons in > Versionner are lost. Also other external package who extended ThemeIcons > (like DesktopManager) are now broken. > Just try to load it into a Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50359 now > > 3. Some of the icons are removed - for instance in catalog and moved to > be retrieved from Github. But we wanted to componentize the image > into configs. So the icons of catalog should belong to this project. Right? > > 4. I can not open the settings in the latest image anymore because the icons > are tried to retrieve from Github using a HTTPS connection. > Doesnt work either because I'm on Windows, because of HTTPs, because > ZnClient does not deal with a firewall correctly. > It is not good to rely on additional external downloads directly. > > I know we want to make progress ... but were such changes discussed on the list > before? > > Thx > T. > > > > >

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Copy image from Macbook to Ubuntu system

by stepharo

normally images works corrs platform. so you should not have problems. Le 2/10/15 16:03, Trussardi Dario Romano a Ã©crit : > Ciao, > > i have a Pharo-1.4-one-click application run on MacBook. > > Now for security problem i need to port and run it on Ubuntu system 14.04.3 > > I can copy from MacBook and paste on Ubuntu ? > > On the Ubuntu system i load the pharo-launcher but it don't manage old pharo 1.4 version. > > Any considerations? > > Of course the best is to port my code into a new Pharo 4.0 image, > > but this is another step. > > Thanks, > > Dario > > > >

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] MorphSlot extension for duplicate?

by stepharo

Pay attention that the more magic you use the more difficult to understand the system will be. For me duplicate should call copy and we should be able to see that copy does not copy the instVar. Le 2/10/15 11:26, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : > If a morph holds onto another morph in an instVar, > it often shouldn't be copied when doing a duplicate. > Is that something that a MorphSlot variant could support? > > Stephan > > >

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] FastTable improvements done by Cyril are paid by Synectique

by Stephan Eggermont

On 03-10-15 09:10, stepharo wrote: > Hi guys > > just to tell you that Cyril Ferlicot is now part time employee of > Synectique and as a first task we asked him > to improve fastTable and we give the enhancements to the community. A big thanks to Synectique. Good table support is a lot of engineering work, getting all the details right. Stephan

Oct. 3, 2015

FastTable improvements done by Cyril are paid by Synectique

by stepharo

Hi guys just to tell you that Cyril Ferlicot is now part time employee of Synectique and as a first task we asked him to improve fastTable and we give the enhancements to the community. Yes we believe that improving the system we all used is beneficial for synectique and yes we are really busy running for business. Stef on the behalf of http://www.synectique.eu

Oct. 3, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by phil＠highoctane.be

> > >> From my point of view, proxies are from last century ;-) > > >They are indeed, but then again so is Smalltalk. ;) > You made my day Peter :-) Isn't that why we have Pharo for the 21st? (You that thing where we do Smalltalk vm, Smalltalk globals...) Phil

Oct. 2, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

4. I can not open the settings in the latest image anymore because the icons are tried to retrieve from Github using a HTTPS connection. Doesnt work either because I'm on Windows, because of HTTPs, because ZnClient does not deal with a firewall correctly. It is not good to rely on additional external downloads directly. Wait, if I download a fresh image it starts downloading yet more stuff? (I can't try it now as I am on FUP-constrained mobile connection.) I thought that images are supposed to be self contained and stuff like this should be delegated to CI that builds the image or let the user do it manually on top of Pharo-Minimal/Pharo-Bootstrap. > I mean, the traffic is by definition encrypted so how can a proxy even do something ? I think it can still establish connection and forward packets (I think), it can simply let the connection through directly or it can fail to connect (which is the case above). > From my point of view, proxies are from last century ;-) They are indeed, but then again so is Smalltalk. ;) Also your traffic is most likely going through proxies of your ISP (who then injects packets with ad trackers ;)). Peter On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > On 02 Oct 2015, at 20:34, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > > > > > > 2015-10-02 19:40 GMT+02:00 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de>: > > > > 4. I can not open the settings in the latest image anymore because the > icons > > are tried to retrieve from Github using a HTTPS connection. > > > > > > That is really bad, I am working behind a proxy too. > > I've said this before: this can only be developed by someone behind a > proxy. Any help would be appreciated. I know it works more or less for > plain HTTP, but there are edge cases. There does indeed seem to be a > problem with HTTPS, maybe just something small/simple. > > That being said, I must say that I do not understand very well how HTTPS > proxying might work. I mean, the traffic is by definition encrypted so how > can a proxy even do something ? And if there is some way around this, the > connection is no longer end-to-end secure. From my point of view, proxies > are from last century ;-) > > Sven > > >

Oct. 2, 2015