October 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 11:41 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: >>>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >>>> good your IRC client is. >>> >>> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. > > Ey! I know IRC and used it since BitchX and then mIRC! > > But it's not because it's new, it's because is prettier, in provides > nice integrations with other services (GitHub, CI, you name it), file > previews. I just found it has a Gateway so you can use your existing XMPP or IRC client to connect to it. So no need to stop using your beloved IRC client :) I'm trying to set it up. Regards! -- Esteban.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Damien Cassou

Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> writes: > Now that the dust has settled after the move to FogBugz, maybe we should take > another look. I know that we're already spread thin, but we all know it's a > poor fit for our / OSS workflows, and I shudder to think at how many > potential contributors gave up due to the IMHO significant barriers to > entry. could you please tell us what you don't like about FogBugz and what you would like to see in another issue tracker? Moving all the issues, writing the documentation, and updating our tools where difficult enough, we should not do it lightly. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 11:31 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >>>> group that is larger than this one. >>> >>> +1 >> >> -1 >> I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) >> but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. >> I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) I don't think it's going to change community culture, mailing and IM are two separate things. That's why IRC didn't change anything related mailing, in fact mailing is growing (or at least that's how I perceive it). Try it out, I've been using it since the beginning of this year, and its comfortable. I recommended it to a few techie friends, which were as skeptic about it as you, and they ended up liking it, so who knows... maybe we can turn you to the other side of the force :P >>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >>> good your IRC client is. >> >> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. Ey! I know IRC and used it since BitchX and then mIRC! But it's not because it's new, it's because is prettier, in provides nice integrations with other services (GitHub, CI, you name it), file previews. >>> Please ask for more invitations! >> anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S >> >> Esteban >> >> ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) > > hehâ¦ I logged to slack afterâ¦ 2yrsâ¦ and yes, I have the #pharo slack. > So, let me invite you to see if I can do itâ¦ then we can test it. Ha! I sent you an invitation.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:29, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:10, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >>>> group that is larger than this one. >>> >>> +1 >> >> -1 >> I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) >> but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. >> I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) >> >>> >>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >>> good your IRC client is. >> >> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. >> >>> >>> Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you >>> don't want the browser based UI). >>> >>> The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's >>> limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes >>> limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). >>> >>> I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was >>> already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. >> >> pharo name is also ours, I thinkâ¦ someone tried it a couple of years ago :) >> (not me, so I donât have an account) >> >>> >>> >>> Please ask for more invitations! >> >> anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S >> >> Esteban >> >> ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) > > hehâ¦ I logged to slack afterâ¦ 2yrsâ¦ and yes, I have the #pharo slack. > So, let me invite you to see if I can do itâ¦ then we can test it. correction, I cannot handle the pharo domain, so we are back to pharoprojectâ¦ Iâm already hating it :) > >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards!

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:29, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:10, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: >>> >>> >>> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >>> group that is larger than this one. >> >> +1 > > -1 > I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) > but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. > I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) > >> >> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >> good your IRC client is. > > why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. > >> >> Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you >> don't want the browser based UI). >> >> The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's >> limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes >> limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). >> >> I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was >> already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. > > pharo name is also ours, I thinkâ¦ someone tried it a couple of years ago :) > (not me, so I donât have an account) > >> >> >> Please ask for more invitations! > > anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S > > Esteban > > ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) hehâ¦ I logged to slack afterâ¦ 2yrsâ¦ and yes, I have the #pharo slack. So, let me invite you to see if I can do itâ¦ then we can test it. > >> >> >> -- >> Regards! >> >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:10, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: >> >> >> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >> group that is larger than this one. > > +1 -1 I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) > > I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how > good your IRC client is. why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. > > Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you > don't want the browser based UI). > > The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's > limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes > limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). > > I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was > already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. pharo name is also ours, I thinkâ¦ someone tried it a couple of years ago :) (not me, so I donât have an account) > > > Please ask for more invitations! anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S Esteban ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) > > > -- > Regards! >

Oct. 6, 2015

Issue Tracker Choice

by Sean P. DeNigris

Now that the dust has settled after the move to FogBugz, maybe we should take another look. I know that we're already spread thin, but we all know it's a poor fit for our / OSS workflows, and I shudder to think at how many potential contributors gave up due to the IMHO significant barriers to entry. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-Choice-tp4854002.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN]: AconcaguaAddOns

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sorry, just completed a massive (non-programming) project and I'm coming back to coding... hernanmd wrote > First thanks for sharing this You're welcome :) hernanmd wrote > Now I suppose this was AconcaguaDeluxe before? > Do you have a ConfigurationOf for AconcaguaAddOns? I don't recall exactly, but given the state of the two repositories, and my general workflow, I would say that I started Deluxe in my playground repository as a toy, and when I started using it regularly, promoted it to it's own repo (AddOns). Now here's where it gets exciting: I then forgot I had moved it and didn't update the Configuration, and made more commits to the old repo :/ So, you should be safe loading the latest packages individually because they represent different domains and IIRC don't depend on one another. We should also make a new Config...AddOns in the new repo. HTH. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-AconcaguaAddOns-tp4820940p4853999.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: > > > Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a > group that is larger than this one. +1 I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how good your IRC client is. Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you don't want the browser based UI). The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. Please ask for more invitations! -- Regards!

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Esteban Lorenzano

nope they where âprivateâ, so why to assume it? of course, they can be reintroduced, Iâm not against itâ¦ :) (but in that case I would not put a misleading âprivateâ as a category :P) Esteban > On 06 Oct 2015, at 15:51, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > On 06-10-15 14:04, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> - it you used outside the class some of the private methods (like *IconContents, etc.) > > I assume the private - utilities methods will remain? > > Stephan > >

Oct. 6, 2015