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Re: [Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 7c58b1: 50369

by Esteban Lorenzano

it says it did it, but actually it doesnât :P trying again :) > On 07 Oct 2015, at 10:01, GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> wrote: > > Branch: refs/heads/5.0 > Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core > Commit: 7c58b1be0d0f72a2cdbb0f90ec6c374178b88efd > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/7c58b1be0d0f72a2cdbb0f90… > Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> > Date: 2015-10-07 (Wed, 07 Oct 2015) > > Changed paths: > R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50368.st > A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50369.st > R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50368.st > A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50369.st > M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st > > Log Message: > ----------- > 50369 > 16732 DNU when cancel fetch on retrieve icon sets > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16732 > > 16577 Random should be in its own package > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16577 > > 16726 move Reflectivity-Styling to a separate package > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16726 > > http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50369.zip > >

Oct. 7, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/50369 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Oct. 7, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 7c58b1: 50369

by GitHub

Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 7c58b1be0d0f72a2cdbb0f90ec6c374178b88efd https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/7c58b1be0d0f72a2cdbb0f90… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2015-10-07 (Wed, 07 Oct 2015) Changed paths: R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50368.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50369.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50368.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50369.st M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 50369 16732 DNU when cancel fetch on retrieve icon sets https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16732 16577 Random should be in its own package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16577 16726 move Reflectivity-Styling to a separate package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16726 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50369.zip

Oct. 7, 2015

[ Zn+Zdc ] Implementation of HTTPS proxying using HTTP CONNECT tunneling

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, Yesterday I did a first implementation of HTTPS proxying using HTTP CONNECT tunneling for Zn+Zdc, this should now be tested by a wider audience. With this new feature it should now be possible to access HTTPS Urls from behind an HTTP proxy. This is for all OS platforms. Thanks Nicolai for finding the spec reference and Torsten for the push. In Zn #bleedingEdge === Name: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.437 Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe Time: 6 October 2015, 9:57:35.790306 pm UUID: 96b9026b-561e-4d6f-88b7-46389b163e99 Ancestors: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.436 Implementation of HTTPS proxying using HTTP CONNECT tunneling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_tunnel#HTTP_CONNECT_tunneling http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2817.txt (section 5) Rewrite ZnClient>>#newConnectionTo: with delegate to newly added ZnClient>>#setupTLSTo: which implements the mechanism described in the links above Change ZnClient>>#readResponse: not to expect a body with a CONNECT request Change ZnHeaders>>#request: to use #authorityWithPort for the Host header Add ZnNetworkingUtils [class]>>#secureSocketStreamOn: Change ZnRequestLine>>#writeOn: to write the correct Request-URI portion of the Request-Line in case of CONNECT and/or plain HTTP(S) proxying Tested with Squid 3 as proxy === Name: Zinc-Resource-Meta-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.54 Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe Time: 6 October 2015, 9:58:39.204572 pm UUID: 134e875c-d2dd-4970-9697-b9d56833d77d Ancestors: Zinc-Resource-Meta-Core-SvenVanCaekenberghe.53 Add ZnUrl>>#authorityWithPort and ZnUrl>>#hasSecureScheme === Name: Zinc-Tests-SvenVanCaekenberghe.234 Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe Time: 6 October 2015, 9:59:59.387302 pm UUID: d2831cd8-fa01-4f44-8533-f5045dabbd7d Ancestors: Zinc-Tests-SvenVanCaekenberghe.233 Modify ZnClientTests>>#testIfFailNonExistingHost because of different behavior when a proxy is involved === On my machine all Zn+Zdc tests succeed with a proxy set (squid 3). Let's hope it works for others too. I did not yet test proxy authorization but I think it should work like before. An HTTP Proxy can be set in World > System > Settings Here is some code to do a simple test ZnClient new get: 'https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/public-stfx-eu/test-2050.txt'. ZnClient new get: 'https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/public-stfx-eu/small.html'. ZnClient new get: 'http://stfx.eu/small.html'. ZnNetworkingUtils default isProxySet. ZnNetworkingUtils shouldProxyUrl: 'https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/public-stfx-eu/small.html' asUrl. Regards, Sven

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, doing our own issue tracker could be cool, but is yet-another-tool-to-maintain (not to take about the development time), so I rather not take that pathâ¦ even if is cool :) yes, having to register is a problem but I simplified the register process (into a one-step process): http://tracker.pharo.org/issues-register-service, so I think this is mitigated (I think the increase of registrations since I made the change is a proof). and FogBugz is proâ¦ even if I dislike the UI a lotâ¦ and I think is too much for usâ¦ and I agree in general that is not the best for an open source project. But we have a tool for free, well maintained and managed. Instead just changing issue tracker I would like to think more in general. For instance, I would like to move the development process to github once we can finish/agree/implement a good way to doit. they it would have a lot of sense use the github issue trackerâ¦ but Iâm not sure it has sense *before*. So there you goâ¦ before thinking on changing the issue tracker I would think which kind of process we want to support and just then think in which issue tracker we need :) Esteban > On 07 Oct 2015, at 09:00, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > On 07/10/15 08:27, Eliot Miranda wrote: >> BTW, at ParcPlace we implemented our own. It's not difficult and having something one can tailor is great. Pharo has the relevant web, database & server technology. It would be a great test of the system to implement its own issue tracker. > > http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/distributed-issue-tracker > > Stephan > > >

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Christophe Demarey

Hi Eliot, Le 7 oct. 2015 Ã 08:27, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : > >> On Oct 6, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> >> Damien Cassou-2 wrote >>> could you please tell us what you don't like about FogBugz >> >> The main thing is that it's not designed for open source projects. Requiring >> account creation before one can even search the open issues is a huge >> barrier. I would guess most new people will hit that wall and give up on >> sending us valuable bug reports. > > > +1. > > BTW, at ParcPlace we implemented our own. It's not difficult and having something one can tailor is great. Pharo has the relevant web, database & server technology. It would be a great test of the system to implement its own issue tracker. Of course it is doable in Pharo but we will NOT go into this direction. We have limited manpower and it is definitely not the place where it will be the more valuable. There are a lot of existing tools / services doing that. Moreover, it will be one more server to maintain... That is also why we want to move slowly to git / gitHub because SmalltalkHub has no added value for us. I would rather say github will offer more services.

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] ARM Cogit

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 23:04, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Alex, > > have you tried building a Cog VM from the Cog svn sources? I expect, provided you hack around the NativeBoost uses, that the VM will work. Android needs also some java crap in the middle (along with an âidle vmâ) to workâ¦ just ARM support is not enough. But there was CogDroid some time ago, kind of hacky but worked and there is JB work who I hope is taken and finished eventually/soon. btwâ¦ my idea is to take JB's approach to âidle vmâ and (once finished) translate it to regular VMâ¦ consuming a constant of 5% cpu is not good at all :( Esteban > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com <mailto:alex.syrel@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi > > Any news on Pharo VM for android? ;) > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:54 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > This is really excellent! > Keep pushing this. > I'm eager to play with a raspberry. > We should continue to revisit the UI elements to consume less in any case. > Because I'm convinced that we are doing too many things at the wrong place. > > Stef > > Le 22/4/15 21:42, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : > > Hi All, > > thanks to hard work by Tim Rowledge and Lars Wasserman we now have a functional JIT for the ARM in the simulator. We're still probably some weeks away from a functional ARM JIT VM; issues like instruction cache flushing on real hardware can be tricky to solve. But we're at least ready to start trying to compile the JIT VM for ARM. Doug, see that I added a build directory for build.linux32ARM/squeak.cog.spur. Hopefully a fast VM for Raspberry Pi and Android is only a few weeks away. > -- > best, > Eliot > > > > > > > -- > _,,,^..^,,,_ > best, Eliot

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Stephan Eggermont

On 07/10/15 08:27, Eliot Miranda wrote: > BTW, at ParcPlace we implemented our own. It's not difficult and having something one can tailor is great. Pharo has the relevant web, database & server technology. It would be a great test of the system to implement its own issue tracker. http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/distributed-issue-tracker Stephan

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Magritte Seaside

by Christophe Demarey

Hi Dale, Le 6 oct. 2015 Ã 20:23, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : > > > On 10/6/15 5:10 AM, stepharo wrote: >> >> >> Le 6/10/15 11:40, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : >>> On 06-10-15 11:11, stepharo wrote: >>>> I will do a separate configuration of magritte seaside. >>> >>> You need to load the correct groups. Separate configurations are a bad practice and should be eliminated, not encouraged. >> >> I totally disagree. >> And groups are not supported by the configurationBrowser >>> The configuration has a lot of essential complexity, as many different combinations of components are needed in different situations. We need tools that recognize that essential complexity and support it, not tools that try to hide it and then have no practical usability. >> >> Well I disagree. And all the effort of christophe for the new dependencies declarations at the package level just goes in that direction. >> I will do a MagritteSeaside Configuration that I will maintain and I will also do a MagritteTutorial one. >> > Stef, > > I hope you and Christophe are considering cross platform considerations when implementing "new dependencies declarations at the package level" ... MonticelloConfigurations had "package level dependencies" and the implementation was extremely rigid to the point where it wasn't possible to substitute an alternate (platform-speicific) package in the package graph without creating new package versions of all packages in the graph ... Of course I am not aware of the approach that Christophe, but be aware that "there be dragons there":) Thanks for the warning. cross-platform packages are integrated into this new approach by allowing to express dependencies to virtual packages (idea from debian OS: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual_pkg) It allows low-coupling and is very flexible. You will find more information in the paper published at IWST'14: https://hal.inria.fr/hal-01086083/document (by the way, you should already have it, I sent it to you last year but you were very busy at this time ;) ) To summarize in a few words, we want dependencies expressed at the package level (and we want more meta-data on packages), we want to decouple a released version of a package from the working copy of the package version description (implies the creation of a package repository + a web interface on top of it to promote/search packages). We also want to detect dependencies automatically as much as possible to avoid missing or not-used dependencies (dependency analyser tool). All together, it will allow to define architectural rules and layers in Pharo. I now experimenting all that with the Pharo bootstrap. If you have any question or remark, do not hesitate to ask or to give feedback. Christophe.

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Eliot Miranda

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Damien Cassou-2 wrote >> could you please tell us what you don't like about FogBugz > > The main thing is that it's not designed for open source projects. Requiring > account creation before one can even search the open issues is a huge > barrier. I would guess most new people will hit that wall and give up on > sending us valuable bug reports. +1. BTW, at ParcPlace we implemented our own. It's not difficult and having something one can tailor is great. Pharo has the relevant web, database & server technology. It would be a great test of the system to implement its own issue tracker. _,,,^..^,,,_ (phone) > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-Choice-tp4854002p4854106.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] ARM Cogit

by stepharo

Hi alex First we are discussing with inria to see if one of their engineer can work a month to check what jb did. Because JB was revisiting the VM from scratch but he did not finish. It will be on the roadmap for the new engineer the consortium will hire. Second you can find information about the way Jannik deployed Phratch on Android http://www.phratch.com/archives/408 Stef > Hi > > Any news on Pharo VM for android? ;) > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:54 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > This is really excellent! > Keep pushing this. > I'm eager to play with a raspberry. > We should continue to revisit the UI elements to consume less in > any case. > Because I'm convinced that we are doing too many things at the > wrong place. > > Stef > > Le 22/4/15 21:42, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : > > Hi All, > > thanks to hard work by Tim Rowledge and Lars Wasserman we > now have a functional JIT for the ARM in the simulator. We're > still probably some weeks away from a functional ARM JIT VM; > issues like instruction cache flushing on real hardware can be > tricky to solve. But we're at least ready to start trying to > compile the JIT VM for ARM. Doug, see that I added a build > directory for build.linux32ARM/squeak.cog.spur. Hopefully a > fast VM for Raspberry Pi and Android is only a few weeks away. > -- > best, > Eliot > > > >

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by stepharo

but on the other hand - it is there - it works (even if I do not like the interface) - it is a pro tools (they should not close in the next 3 months). - so the message is also that we use a pro environment Stef Le 7/10/15 05:30, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > Damien Cassou-2 wrote >> could you please tell us what you don't like about FogBugz > The main thing is that it's not designed for open source projects. Requiring > account creation before one can even search the open issues is a huge > barrier. I would guess most new people will hit that wall and give up on > sending us valuable bug reports. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-Choice-tp4854002p4854106.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] UserManager removed - alternative?

by stepharo

;) > Ah, but > http://objology.blogspot.fr/2011/09/one-of-best-bits-of-programming-advice.… > You've got a score of two ending -er in a single class, tsss... ;) > > Nicolas

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Sean P. DeNigris

Damien Cassou-2 wrote > could you please tell us what you don't like about FogBugz The main thing is that it's not designed for open source projects. Requiring account creation before one can even search the open issues is a huge barrier. I would guess most new people will hit that wall and give up on sending us valuable bug reports. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-Choice-tp4854002p4854106.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 7, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] UserManager removed - alternative?

by Nicolas Cellier

Ah, but http://objology.blogspot.fr/2011/09/one-of-best-bits-of-programming-advice.… You've got a score of two ending -er in a single class, tsss... ;) Nicolas 2015-10-06 21:53 GMT+02:00 Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Stef, > > Thanks for explanation! I agree and looking forward to see a new solution > :) > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:26 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Hi Aliak >> >> The design of the UserManager was ****plain**** bad. It was reintroducing >> this ugly facade singleton pattern (monolitic and global) >> like the old Preferences class that we fight a lot with alain and >> finally replace by setting. >> It was a mistake that I did not have the time to review the code. (BTW we >> were pushing too much code in the system without >> a good review). Now this period is over. >> >> The solution of the new approach should be the same than settings. >> >> - first any part that should be user managed should do it locally and >> introduce its own hooks to do so >> but be self-contained: exactly like Setting. A class uses class >> variables and check its class variables >> when doing something. >> >> - It means that as a client of the part I can change some accesses. >> >> - then we decorate such user-managed hooks and provide tools. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> >> Bloc is broken because UserManager is no longer in the image. (it was >> removed on 14th of August) >> For some reason there is a check: >> >> UserManager default canDropOSFile >> >> >> this check is used in #dropFiles: >> >> What is alternative or does it make sense to remove the check? >> >> Cheers, >> Alex >> >> >> >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] ARM Cogit

by Eliot Miranda

Alex, have you tried building a Cog VM from the Cog svn sources? I expect, provided you hack around the NativeBoost uses, that the VM will work. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > Any news on Pharo VM for android? ;) > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:54 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> This is really excellent! >> Keep pushing this. >> I'm eager to play with a raspberry. >> We should continue to revisit the UI elements to consume less in any case. >> Because I'm convinced that we are doing too many things at the wrong >> place. >> >> Stef >> >> Le 22/4/15 21:42, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi All, >>> >>> thanks to hard work by Tim Rowledge and Lars Wasserman we now have a >>> functional JIT for the ARM in the simulator. We're still probably some >>> weeks away from a functional ARM JIT VM; issues like instruction cache >>> flushing on real hardware can be tricky to solve. But we're at least ready >>> to start trying to compile the JIT VM for ARM. Doug, see that I added a >>> build directory for build.linux32ARM/squeak.cog.spur. Hopefully a fast VM >>> for Raspberry Pi and Android is only a few weeks away. >>> -- >>> best, >>> Eliot >>> >> >> >> > -- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] FogBugz-Filter

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?pg=pgManageFilters (button next to cases > manage filters) (or https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?pg=pgFilter&ixFilter=36 ) Maybe caused by this http://forum.world.st/issue-tracker-6-issue-fixed-in-external-package-needs… ? On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > Someone changed the fogbugz filter "Fixed To Review" now it shows the same > results like "fixed upstream", how can it be changed it back? >

Oct. 6, 2015

FogBugz-Filter

by Nicolai Hess

Someone changed the fogbugz filter "Fixed To Review" now it shows the same results like "fixed upstream", how can it be changed it back?

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] ARM Cogit

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hi Any news on Pharo VM for android? ;) Cheers, Alex On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:54 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > This is really excellent! > Keep pushing this. > I'm eager to play with a raspberry. > We should continue to revisit the UI elements to consume less in any case. > Because I'm convinced that we are doing too many things at the wrong place. > > Stef > > Le 22/4/15 21:42, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : > > Hi All, >> >> thanks to hard work by Tim Rowledge and Lars Wasserman we now have a >> functional JIT for the ARM in the simulator. We're still probably some >> weeks away from a functional ARM JIT VM; issues like instruction cache >> flushing on real hardware can be tricky to solve. But we're at least ready >> to start trying to compile the JIT VM for ARM. Doug, see that I added a >> build directory for build.linux32ARM/squeak.cog.spur. Hopefully a fast VM >> for Raspberry Pi and Android is only a few weeks away. >> -- >> best, >> Eliot >> > > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] UserManager removed - alternative?

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hi Stef, Thanks for explanation! I agree and looking forward to see a new solution :) Cheers, Alex On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:26 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Hi Aliak > > The design of the UserManager was ****plain**** bad. It was reintroducing > this ugly facade singleton pattern (monolitic and global) > like the old Preferences class that we fight a lot with alain and > finally replace by setting. > It was a mistake that I did not have the time to review the code. (BTW we > were pushing too much code in the system without > a good review). Now this period is over. > > The solution of the new approach should be the same than settings. > > - first any part that should be user managed should do it locally and > introduce its own hooks to do so > but be self-contained: exactly like Setting. A class uses class > variables and check its class variables > when doing something. > > - It means that as a client of the part I can change some accesses. > > - then we decorate such user-managed hooks and provide tools. > > Stef > > > > > > Bloc is broken because UserManager is no longer in the image. (it was > removed on 14th of August) > For some reason there is a check: > > UserManager default canDropOSFile > > > this check is used in #dropFiles: > > What is alternative or does it make sense to remove the check? > > Cheers, > Alex > > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 15:12 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > Not sure that yet another tool will help me to be more productive. > Don't count me in it. I don't think it aims at making somebody more productive, but instead to gather people with similar interests and avoid querying the mailing list for trivial things. Let's see if it works, if not, closing it is instantaneous. Esteban A. Maringolo

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 13:03 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > Quite frankly, the reason why IRC is so extremely popular, is because it > does its job very well and has some very nice clients. I am active at #Pharo > because I use several IRC channels, #Blender , #C++ , #Opengl , #MACOS , > #unrealengine , #emacs , #blendercoders and #blenderpython. So the > incredible power of IRC is not its features, but its community. You don't have to give up your familiar tools. I set up the IRC gateway, so you can access the slack channel without leaving your IRC client. I tried it today and it worked right away. Regards. Esteban A. Maringolo

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Magritte Seaside

by Dale Henrichs

On 10/6/15 11:43 AM, stepharo wrote: > >> Stef, >> >> I hope you and Christophe are considering cross platform >> considerations when implementing "new dependencies declarations at >> the package level" ... MonticelloConfigurations had "package level >> dependencies" and the implementation was extremely rigid to the point >> where it wasn't possible to substitute an alternate >> (platform-speicific) package in the package graph without creating >> new package versions of all packages in the graph ... Of course I am >> not aware of the approach that Christophe, but be aware that "there >> be dragons there":) > > Hi dale. > > I will let christophe answers because I do not know the details. I > know that he is working hard on it. > Ideally I would like to have a ConfigurationOf for each package > because it would reduce the bloat of the actual configurationOf and > also be closer to the package. But if I say that people will start > shouting that I'm mad :) (I'm not fool and I'm right :). > so this is why we are doing it inside the package but we will see. > First the core bootstrap based on dependencies ;) > > Stef > Stef, Basing things on a "configuration" external to the package structure itself will avoid the MetacelloConfiguration limitations. From your description, it sounds like Christophe might be "deconstructing" the project configuration in some way --- I would be interested in more details ... Thanks, Dale

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Magritte Seaside

by stepharo

> Stef, > > I hope you and Christophe are considering cross platform > considerations when implementing "new dependencies declarations at the > package level" ... MonticelloConfigurations had "package level > dependencies" and the implementation was extremely rigid to the point > where it wasn't possible to substitute an alternate > (platform-speicific) package in the package graph without creating new > package versions of all packages in the graph ... Of course I am not > aware of the approach that Christophe, but be aware that "there be > dragons there":) Hi dale. I will let christophe answers because I do not know the details. I know that he is working hard on it. Ideally I would like to have a ConfigurationOf for each package because it would reduce the bloat of the actual configurationOf and also be closer to the package. But if I say that people will start shouting that I'm mad :) (I'm not fool and I'm right :). so this is why we are doing it inside the package but we will see. First the core bootstrap based on dependencies ;) Stef

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mongo - find object by id

by stepharo

This is great I will reread soon the mongo chapter. I should start to code a real app (if only I could have the time). stef Le 7/9/15 09:00, Sabine Manaa a Ã©crit : > Hi Stephane, > > my changes have been integrated into the document by Johan and I > checked as ok, so it is done. > > Regards > Sabine > > 2015-08-18 12:49 GMT+02:00 Sabine Manaa <manaa.sabine(a)gmail.com > <mailto:manaa.sabine@gmail.com>>: > > Hi Stephane, > > ok, I have put all my suggestions in a pull request. Please feel > free to change, delete .... it is only a suggestion. I am > interested in feedback! > > Regards > Sabine > > 2015-08-17 14:53 GMT+02:00 Sabine Manaa <manaa.sabine(a)gmail.com > <mailto:manaa.sabine@gmail.com>>: > > Hi Steph, > > thanks. I am editing my suggestions and tell you when finished. > > Regards > Sabine > > 2015-08-16 19:29 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: > > >> Hi Stephane, >> >> I have collected my points to add to the book. >> >> Can you give me an entry point how to do a pull request >> on the paper please? >> Pillar? Editor? Script? Sounds complicated for the first >> time. >> > If you can use pillar this is better, else we will do a > pass and convert it to pillar > Since the chapter is for the book that should be out I'm > not that editing it directly is a good. > Now what we can do is to work on on a separate file that > Johan or Esteban can merge to the chapter once > it is finished. > > What I was thinking about is to have a series of extras > section > with for example some of the problems and solutions you > encountered. > > > How to handle loop within your domain? > > How to find an object by id? > > ... > > The original file is here: > > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/EnterprisePharo/tree/master/Voya… > > > I created a VoyageAdditionalText.pier that you can edit. > > And this is easy > - you can go to the page > - fork the folder > - edit in the web the file and send a pull request. > > if this is not working, we will add you to the project and > you can directly edit this file. > >> Regards >> Sabine >> >> >> >> 2015-08-13 16:17 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr >> <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: >> >> >>> Hi Stephane, >>> >>> sure, I am happy to give something back to the >>> community. I dont have so much time because of my >>> baby but I will try my best. >>> >>> Where shall I put it in? >> >> You can do pull requests in the paper. This way they >> will be close to the original version. >> >> >>> Sabina >>> >>> you know what I would really love from you .... >>> this is that you reread the Voyage chapter and >>> make a list of the problems you faced and that >>> are not described in the chapter. >>> You can write it in any bad ways and we can do a >>> edit phase after, >>> >>> Why do I ask that? Because I'm stupid in Mongo >>> and I would love to have a good doc. >>> And only the people facing the problems can spot >>> them nicely. >>> I often write doc on things that I do not know >>> but this is not working well because I'm slow in >>> that case and .... I could be much better >>> doing something else where I'm good at. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> Le 12/8/15 09:40, Sabine Manaa a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> on mongo console, this brings me a persons >>> information from mongo db >>> db.Persons.find({"_id" : >>> ObjectId("75b900000000000000000000")}) >>> >>> I try to query the same person from pharo >>> and I do not succeed. >>> >>> This makes my image hanging: >>> RKAPerson selectMany: {('_id' -> (OID >>> value:'75b900000000000000000000'))} >>> >>> also other variations e.g. >>> RKAPerson selectMany: {('_id' -> >>> ('75b900000000000000000000')). } >>> asDictionary. >>> >>> do not work >>> >>> Other queries like >>> RKAPerson selectMany:{('lastName' -> >>> ('Maier')).} asDictionary. >>> or >>> RKAPerson selectMany:{('nextTripNumber' -> >>> (57)).} asDictionary. >>> >>> work fine. >>> >>> How can I query for an object with the >>> object id? >>> >>> Regards >>> Sabine >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/Mongo-find-object-by-id-tp4842231.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers >>> mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Reflectivity] more link options and enforcing link options per Class

by stepharo

+ 1 Symbols and strings and arrays are dead limited objects. Not even zomby objects. No behavior no fun. >>> >>> The latest image now has some more options for meta links. The >>> complete list is listed in the #defaultOptions method of >>> MetaLink class: >>> >>> defaultOptions >>> ^ #( >>> + optionInlineMetaObject "meta object is inlined by default." >>> + optionInlineCondtion "condition is inlined by >>> default.â (ups, typo, will fix) >>> - optionCompileOnLinkInstallation "generate compiledMethod on link >>> installation" >>> - optionOneShot "remove link after first activation" >>> - optionMetalevel "force level: 0 for the link" >>> - optionDisabledLink "links are active by default" >>> ) >>> >>> Some of the options make only sense because after this issue will be >>> integrated: >>> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16695/allow-classes-to-force-meta-link-op… >>> >>> we will have a mechanism that classes can enforce options for all >>> links installed in them. This is done by adding >>> a method on the instance or class side like this: >>> >>> metaLinkOptions >>> ^{ >>> #exampleMethodWithMetaLinkOptionsViaClass -> #( + >>> optionCompileOnLinkInstallation) >>> } >>> >>> This allows e.g. a class to turn off links for one method or enforce >>> using meta-level awareness. >>> (for now the options are overridden when installing a link, I will >>> move this into the code generator >>> to have a real overlay semantics as a next step). >>> >>> Marcus >> >> Why the aversion to classes? >> Personally, I'd much prefer a MetaLinkOptions class with boolean >> instvars, and a class comment... >> >> Would work much better with the tools we have (finding users, etc.) >> and a class enforcing method such as: >> >> overrideMetaLinkOptions: options >> >> ^options >> oneShot: false; >> yourself >> > > Yes.. the current way starts to be too complexâ¦ could be a good next step. > > Marcus > > > > > > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Magritte Seaside

by Dale Henrichs

On 10/6/15 5:10 AM, stepharo wrote: > > > Le 6/10/15 11:40, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : >> On 06-10-15 11:11, stepharo wrote: >>> I will do a separate configuration of magritte seaside. >> >> You need to load the correct groups. Separate configurations are a >> bad practice and should be eliminated, not encouraged. > > I totally disagree. > And groups are not supported by the configurationBrowser >> The configuration has a lot of essential complexity, as many >> different combinations of components are needed in different >> situations. We need tools that recognize that essential complexity >> and support it, not tools that try to hide it and then have no >> practical usability. > > Well I disagree. And all the effort of christophe for the new > dependencies declarations at the package level just goes in that > direction. > I will do a MagritteSeaside Configuration that I will maintain and I > will also do a MagritteTutorial one. > Stef, I hope you and Christophe are considering cross platform considerations when implementing "new dependencies declarations at the package level" ... MonticelloConfigurations had "package level dependencies" and the implementation was extremely rigid to the point where it wasn't possible to substitute an alternate (platform-speicific) package in the package graph without creating new package versions of all packages in the graph ... Of course I am not aware of the approach that Christophe, but be aware that "there be dragons there":) Dale

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by stepharo

Not sure that yet another tool will help me to be more productive. Don't count me in it. Le 6/10/15 12:23, Yuriy Tymchuk a Ã©crit : > Hi guys, > > Iâm thinking whether live chat can make sense for communication. And I > know that there is IRC, but for some reason itâs not working for me > (maybe because of clients). > > Iâve seen many teams using Slack [1]. Is anybody willing to try that > out. Or also maybe some have already created a pharo team on Slack? > > Cheers. > Uko > > [1]: https://slack.com/

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN]: AconcaguaAddOns

by stepharo

welcome back. Stef Le 6/10/15 16:12, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©crit : > Sorry, just completed a massive (non-programming) project and I'm coming back > to coding... > > > hernanmd wrote >> First thanks for sharing this > You're welcome :) > > > hernanmd wrote >> Now I suppose this was AconcaguaDeluxe before? >> Do you have a ConfigurationOf for AconcaguaAddOns? > I don't recall exactly, but given the state of the two repositories, and my > general workflow, I would say that I started Deluxe in my playground > repository as a toy, and when I started using it regularly, promoted it to > it's own repo (AddOns). Now here's where it gets exciting: I then forgot I > had moved it and didn't update the Configuration, and made more commits to > the old repo :/ So, you should be safe loading the latest packages > individually because they represent different domains and IIRC don't depend > on one another. We should also make a new Config...AddOns in the new repo. > HTH. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-AconcaguaAddOns-tp4820940p4853999.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Dimitris Chloupis

Quite frankly, the reason why IRC is so extremely popular, is because it does its job very well and has some very nice clients. I am active at #Pharo because I use several IRC channels, #Blender , #C++ , #Opengl , #MACOS , #unrealengine , #emacs , #blendercoders and #blenderpython. So the incredible power of IRC is not its features, but its community. I dont have an issue giving a slack a try but I see no reason to. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2015-10-06 11:41 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > >>>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how > >>>> good your IRC client is. > >>> > >>> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine > for many groups of different sizes. > > > > Ey! I know IRC and used it since BitchX and then mIRC! > > > > But it's not because it's new, it's because is prettier, in provides > > nice integrations with other services (GitHub, CI, you name it), file > > previews. > > I just found it has a Gateway so you can use your existing XMPP or IRC > client to connect to it. > > So no need to stop using your beloved IRC client :) > > I'm trying to set it up. > > Regards! > > -- > Esteban. > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 11:41 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: >>>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >>>> good your IRC client is. >>> >>> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. > > Ey! I know IRC and used it since BitchX and then mIRC! > > But it's not because it's new, it's because is prettier, in provides > nice integrations with other services (GitHub, CI, you name it), file > previews. I just found it has a Gateway so you can use your existing XMPP or IRC client to connect to it. So no need to stop using your beloved IRC client :) I'm trying to set it up. Regards! -- Esteban.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Issue Tracker Choice

by Damien Cassou

Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> writes: > Now that the dust has settled after the move to FogBugz, maybe we should take > another look. I know that we're already spread thin, but we all know it's a > poor fit for our / OSS workflows, and I shudder to think at how many > potential contributors gave up due to the IMHO significant barriers to > entry. could you please tell us what you don't like about FogBugz and what you would like to see in another issue tracker? Moving all the issues, writing the documentation, and updating our tools where difficult enough, we should not do it lightly. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 11:31 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >>>> group that is larger than this one. >>> >>> +1 >> >> -1 >> I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) >> but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. >> I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) I don't think it's going to change community culture, mailing and IM are two separate things. That's why IRC didn't change anything related mailing, in fact mailing is growing (or at least that's how I perceive it). Try it out, I've been using it since the beginning of this year, and its comfortable. I recommended it to a few techie friends, which were as skeptic about it as you, and they ended up liking it, so who knows... maybe we can turn you to the other side of the force :P >>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >>> good your IRC client is. >> >> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. Ey! I know IRC and used it since BitchX and then mIRC! But it's not because it's new, it's because is prettier, in provides nice integrations with other services (GitHub, CI, you name it), file previews. >>> Please ask for more invitations! >> anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S >> >> Esteban >> >> ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) > > hehâ¦ I logged to slack afterâ¦ 2yrsâ¦ and yes, I have the #pharo slack. > So, let me invite you to see if I can do itâ¦ then we can test it. Ha! I sent you an invitation.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:29, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:10, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >>>> group that is larger than this one. >>> >>> +1 >> >> -1 >> I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) >> but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. >> I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) >> >>> >>> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >>> good your IRC client is. >> >> why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. >> >>> >>> Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you >>> don't want the browser based UI). >>> >>> The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's >>> limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes >>> limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). >>> >>> I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was >>> already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. >> >> pharo name is also ours, I thinkâ¦ someone tried it a couple of years ago :) >> (not me, so I donât have an account) >> >>> >>> >>> Please ask for more invitations! >> >> anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S >> >> Esteban >> >> ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) > > hehâ¦ I logged to slack afterâ¦ 2yrsâ¦ and yes, I have the #pharo slack. > So, let me invite you to see if I can do itâ¦ then we can test it. correction, I cannot handle the pharo domain, so we are back to pharoprojectâ¦ Iâm already hating it :) > >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards!

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:29, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:10, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: >>> >>> >>> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >>> group that is larger than this one. >> >> +1 > > -1 > I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) > but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. > I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) > >> >> I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how >> good your IRC client is. > > why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. > >> >> Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you >> don't want the browser based UI). >> >> The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's >> limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes >> limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). >> >> I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was >> already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. > > pharo name is also ours, I thinkâ¦ someone tried it a couple of years ago :) > (not me, so I donât have an account) > >> >> >> Please ask for more invitations! > > anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S > > Esteban > > ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) hehâ¦ I logged to slack afterâ¦ 2yrsâ¦ and yes, I have the #pharo slack. So, let me invite you to see if I can do itâ¦ then we can test it. > >> >> >> -- >> Regards! >> >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 06 Oct 2015, at 16:10, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: >> >> >> Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a >> group that is larger than this one. > > +1 -1 I do not thing a tool will change community culture (because is not about tools, is about community culture here, and we are very âmail orientedâ) but not opposed to try it (if they have a desktop app for real: I will never use a web appâ¦ if you just have a web client to offer me, no matter how good it is, I will still believe is a crap. I have an unbeatable reason: I have tons of browsers tabs open all the time, in different windows. If I have to search an app inside that stack, I will just not doit. Now, I have a good #irc client, and each time I want I do cmd+tab and go to see what is happeningâ¦ I want the same experience) > > I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how > good your IRC client is. why? because is new? #irc is around since a lot and it has work fine for many groups of different sizes. > > Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you > don't want the browser based UI). > > The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's > limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes > limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). > > I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was > already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. pharo name is also ours, I thinkâ¦ someone tried it a couple of years ago :) (not me, so I donât have an account) > > > Please ask for more invitations! anyway, Iâm ok with testing itâ¦ but even the fact that you need invitations are more or less annoying for me :S Esteban ps: so, send me an invitationâ¦ :) > > > -- > Regards! >

Oct. 6, 2015

Issue Tracker Choice

by Sean P. DeNigris

Now that the dust has settled after the move to FogBugz, maybe we should take another look. I know that we're already spread thin, but we all know it's a poor fit for our / OSS workflows, and I shudder to think at how many potential contributors gave up due to the IMHO significant barriers to entry. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-Choice-tp4854002.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN]: AconcaguaAddOns

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sorry, just completed a massive (non-programming) project and I'm coming back to coding... hernanmd wrote > First thanks for sharing this You're welcome :) hernanmd wrote > Now I suppose this was AconcaguaDeluxe before? > Do you have a ConfigurationOf for AconcaguaAddOns? I don't recall exactly, but given the state of the two repositories, and my general workflow, I would say that I started Deluxe in my playground repository as a toy, and when I started using it regularly, promoted it to it's own repo (AddOns). Now here's where it gets exciting: I then forgot I had moved it and didn't update the Configuration, and made more commits to the old repo :/ So, you should be safe loading the latest packages individually because they represent different domains and IIRC don't depend on one another. We should also make a new Config...AddOns in the new repo. HTH. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-AconcaguaAddOns-tp4820940p4853999.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Slack?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2015-10-06 7:56 GMT-03:00 Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org>: > > > Slack works very well for large groups. I'm already using it with a > group that is larger than this one. +1 I think it would be better than the IRC alternative, no matter how good your IRC client is. Also it has native apps for Android, iOS, and desktop. (in case you don't want the browser based UI). The only drawback is the message retention in the free plan, it's limited to 10.000 messages AFAIR, so searching its history becomes limited (I don't know how this compares to current IRC server). I went ahead and created http://pharoproject.slack.com (pharo name was already used) and invited all the participants in this thread. Please ask for more invitations! -- Regards!

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Esteban Lorenzano

nope they where âprivateâ, so why to assume it? of course, they can be reintroduced, Iâm not against itâ¦ :) (but in that case I would not put a misleading âprivateâ as a category :P) Esteban > On 06 Oct 2015, at 15:51, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > On 06-10-15 14:04, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> - it you used outside the class some of the private methods (like *IconContents, etc.) > > I assume the private - utilities methods will remain? > > Stephan > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] FastTable

by Ferlicot D. Cyril

Le 04/10/2015 19:12, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : > Hi! > > In the last version of Pharo, the last version of FastTable is not loaded. Any reason why? > It would be great to have in the base image: > Morphic-Widgets-FastTable-CyrilFerlicot.48 > > It solves some bugsâ¦ > > Alexandre > For the new configuration to be include, review is welcome: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16713/Update-FastTable-See-description-fo… :) -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Stephan Eggermont

On 06-10-15 14:04, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > - it you used outside the class some of the private methods (like *IconContents, etc.) I assume the private - utilities methods will remain? Stephan

Oct. 6, 2015

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Spec-Tools.package/extension/ThemeIcons/instance/keymapBrowserIcon.st R Spec-Tools.package/extension/ThemeIcons/instance/keymapBrowserIconContents.st Log Message: ----------- 50368 16651 remove old ThemeIcons structure https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16651 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50368.zip

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Magritte Seaside

by Stephan Eggermont

The many configurations of GT/Glamour have not exactly convinced me. For a configuration that works when just loading #'stable' from the configuration browser, I'd suggest trying with the configuration of BootstrapMagritte. That only runs into the #subStrings: vs #substrings:. Stephan

Oct. 6, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

by GitHub

Branch: refs/tags/50367 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Oct. 6, 2015

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 83ee25: 50367

by GitHub

Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 83ee253736d9f76a373be77a5b7be1d57add8e61 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/83ee253736d9f76a373be77a… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2015-10-06 (Tue, 06 Oct 2015) Changed paths: M CodeImportCommandLineHandlers.package/STCommandLineHandler.class/instance/activation/activate.st A CodeImportCommandLineHandlers.package/STCommandLineHandler.class/instance/activation/selectSourceFiles.st M ConfigurationOfFastTable.package/ConfigurationOfFastTable.class/instance/symbolic versions/stable_.st A ConfigurationOfFastTable.package/ConfigurationOfFastTable.class/instance/versions/version079_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTExamples.class/class/examples/exampleOutline1.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTExamples.class/class/examples/exampleOutline2.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/README.md A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/class/instance creation/items_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/definition.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/cellColumn_row_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/elementAt_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/headerColumn_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/items.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/items_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/numberOfRows.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/accessing/searchText_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/as yet unclassified/needSeparatorBefore_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineDataSource.class/instance/convencience/toString_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineTableContainerMorph.class/README.md A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineTableContainerMorph.class/definition.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineTableContainerMorph.class/instance/updating/drawOn_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineTableMorph.class/README.md A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineTableMorph.class/definition.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTOutlineTableMorph.class/instance/initialization/initializeContainer.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTSearchFunction.class/instance/accessing/searchFor_.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTSearchFunction.class/instance/event handling/keyStroke_.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/definition.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/instance/event handling/click_.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/instance/event handling/keyStroke_.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/instance/event handling/mouseDown_.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/instance/event handling/mouseUp_.st M Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/instance/initialization/initialize.st A Morphic-Widgets-FastTable.package/FTTableMorph.class/instance/private/selectRowIndex_event_.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50366.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50367.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50366.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50367.st M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M System-Support.package/Author.class/instance/accessing/checkAndSetFullNameWith_.st M System-Support.package/Author.class/instance/accessing/fullName.st M System-Support.package/Author.class/instance/ui-requests/requestFullName.st A Tests.package/STCommandLineHandlerTest.class/instance/tests/testSelectSourceFiles.st Log Message: ----------- 50367 16713 Update FastTable (See description for more info) https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16713 16568 STCommandLineHandler class >>#isResponsibleFor: and >>#activate are not consistent https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16568 16692 Simplification of Author>>#checkAndSetFullNameWith: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16692 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50367.zip

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Magritte Seaside

by stepharo

Le 6/10/15 11:40, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : > On 06-10-15 11:11, stepharo wrote: >> I will do a separate configuration of magritte seaside. > > You need to load the correct groups. Separate configurations are a bad > practice and should be eliminated, not encouraged. I totally disagree. And groups are not supported by the configurationBrowser > The configuration has a lot of essential complexity, as many different > combinations of components are needed in different situations. We need > tools that recognize that essential complexity and support it, not > tools that try to hide it and then have no practical usability. Well I disagree. And all the effort of christophe for the new dependencies declarations at the package level just goes in that direction. I will do a MagritteSeaside Configuration that I will maintain and I will also do a MagritteTutorial one. > > Stephan > > >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Latest changes broke Icons

by Esteban Lorenzano

Ho Torsten, No, it is not broken. As I said, is an ongoing change: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16651 ThemeIconPack is finally renamed as ThemeIcons and all external packages extending it will be able to use. Now, some thing will not be backward compatibility: - if you used directly ThemeIcons children - it you used outside the class some of the private methods (like *IconContents, etc.) - if you extended ThemeIcons children instead ThemeIcons they will need to be adapted. I hope there are not so many because those issues were never recommended anyway :) (but even if not recommended, I needed to change a lot of miss-uses in some packagesâ¦ I would like to have a monkey rule to forbid this kinds of integrations into the image :S) I started this change last friday, in commit 50357â¦ it is tuesday and we are in commit 50366. Itâs been just 4 days and 9 buildsâ¦ (and btw SLICE is not integrated because some weird monkey issues, not because is not ready). so, pleaseâ¦ be patient! ;) Esteban > On 06 Oct 2015, at 09:54, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > It's broken: "Smalltalk ui icons" now returns an instance of ThemeIconPack instead > of the usual ThemeIcons/subclass. > > But most external packages extended ThemeIcons or subclasses with own icons > as this is/was up to the change the default way to do it. It's not possible to > access these extensions anymore using > > Smalltalk ui icons myIcon > > now. I understand that you needed a "break" - but it is not fun if you "break" ;) > > Bye > T. >

Oct. 6, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Better Code Completion

by Nicolai Hess

2015-10-06 10:31 GMT+02:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > > On 06 Oct 2015, at 09:09, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > Am 04.10.2015 23:53 schrieb "Peter UhnÃ¡k" <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com>: > > > > This is both rant and list of questions/notes/observations... > > > > ...but first of all: > > do Smalltalkers not like code completion? Because the one in Pharo is > really poor and not only that nobody is doing anything about it, but also > nobody is complaining; this leads me to believe that you either > > > > a) don't have the manpower (this is true pretty much always, so no > complaints here) > > b) don't care about this that much (since you lived without it for 45 > years) > > > > at least from the lack of complaining to me it seems that b) is more > likely scenario... > > > > But since I do use it, I get annoyed by it quite a bit, especially since > I regularly work in IDEs where this thousand times better. > > > Can you Name one, for a dynamic OO - language? > (Maybe we can borrow some ideas). > > > Ruby? > > I think that RubyMine has to do something with code completion. > Wow, that looks great, do you work with it? > > Uko > > > > > > Now I would like to get things moving a bit (or bury it and forget it), > so I have couple of questions and would appreciate if someone could provide > some feedback. > > > > 1. Methods of core/top classes should be deprioritized > > > > Since Object has almost 500 methods whatever I will start typing > Object/TClass/TBehavior/... will have a list of answers... > > I think this is difficult, even though this classes are big and you don't > use most of the methods, > > are you sure we dont use some of the methods *often*. Morphic, > ComposeableModel or many collection classes, for example. > > > > > so let's start typing... > > > > > > > > > > > > Very often I have to type almost full word to see what I want. > > This is doesn't happen often to me. It is far from perfect but most of the > time I only type a small part and find the correct completion. > > > > Shouldn't the completion follow the inheritance chain? So first it shows > me matches from the class itself (especially since it actually knows the > type) and only after then it's parents and so on? > > Currently, it only collects all selectors into a set and sorts by > matching and length. > > We could add the class info and sort by inheritance distance. > > This needs some change how sorting is implemented, for now,it is typeless > and may need some double dispatching. > > > > > > 3. Or maybe even show the (closest) class that implements it. > > So the last two items would have somewhere (beginning or the end) > written '(Object)' and the first two '(yourself)' (or the class's name). > > This needs some additional work too, now the menu text is the actual > completion content. But it > > shouldn't be that difficult and some code looks like it was intended to > work that way. > > > > > > > 2. The window has fixed size, so if I have longer method (as in picture > above) I don't see it all. > > > > 3. Is middle-of-the word really that often used? See > moseIntere<sti>ngEntity above. It feels to me that it just creates a lot of > false positives (I have this problem also with inspector btw, so I often > have to prefix it with >># or if I see it already lot of <arrow down>, > which is annoying) > > I often search for "Dictionary" or "Morph" and expect results even if the > typed word is not at the beginning, quite often. > > > > > > > > > > 4. We write tests, however how often have you manually created an > instance of a test class by hand? I think they should be either filtered or > deprioritized as they create visual clutter. This is probably also true for > many other classes such as ConfigurationOf/Manifest/... Nobody instantiates > them by hand. > > Be careful will statements like "nobody ...." > > I do a lot of reviews for pharo issues, and this involves working in > workspace and instantiating classes (Yes, Tests, Refactoring, LintRules) > most people don't use them this way but by the tools (SUnit, CriticBrowser) > > But I do. > > > > > > > 5. How often do you send #abs to a dictionary? > > seldom, never? but how could a completion framework detect that? > > > > > > > > 6. If I have already written part of the selector it's impossible to > "continue" and add an extra parameter. This is because it doesn't know if I > am code completing for dict, or #key. > > Maybe different shortcuts? <tab> to code complete on #key, and > <shift+tab> to code complete on the previous one... > > good idea! > > (did you know, that there is a shortcut to jump from one message send > argument to another (not related to completion, but very helpful). Sadly > this is gone or I couldn't find > > it in rubrics shortcut handling). > > > or maybe cycle through them because this can be nested (the currently > code completed item would have to be highlighted somehow). > > > > > > 7. So if I don't want to see the above I have to type it manually; which > is fine for #at:put: but not for longer words.. (just to find out ten > seconds later that I have a stupid typo there). > > > > 8. The code completion doesn't show parameter names. This is very > helpful because it often reveals what it actually accepts. Now I have to > actually look into the code of the method. > > Yes, I tried to change that for issue "10219 > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10219/Completion-enter-on-accept-awkwardn…> > Completion: enter on accept awkwardness", but again, the completion only > knows about the methodDict keys, the selector, > > not the mehod code. But I would like to change that and test if it is much > slow. > > > > > > Now we can hardly compete with typed languages, but I think there's a > lot lot room for improvement. > > > > For comparison from other languages/IDE's. > > > > PhpStorm/PHP > > > > (notice how it shows the whole method if it's longer than the window and > doesn't it just clip)â > > > > NetBeans/C++ > > > > > > > > In the picture above it âstill provides hinting when typing the > parameter. > > > > TypeScript playground > > > > > > â(similar to NetBeans) > > > > Also they have in their online playground better and nicer code > completion than we have in actual env ( > http://www.typescriptlang.org/Playground ) > > > > So if you have any thoughts/feedback/whatnot on this matter, I would > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > >

Oct. 6, 2015