January 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Revolution

by S Krish

Just the year ahead, we will have some framework(s) to push that ahead. There is quite bit of ground work done as I see through last few years, it is beginning to be a fertile ground for Pharo to sprout some of the enterprise frameworks in due time. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Sebastian Sastre < sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > It is true that Reddit and HN are the frontier but "battling" is a > terrible metaphor to embrace. > > You don't battle naysayers. Nobody has the money and emotional labor to do > it. You don't battle them because if you do and you win, you will be "full > of reason", less productive, with potentially transforming a naysayer in a > hater and no real gain (no wealth creation in the process). > > The alternative is to indirectly prove them wrong by simply showing that > Smalltalk is more than adequate to implement <insert naysayer objection > here> > > Of course for that to happen you have to have a case, done with hard work > on those frameworks and solutions, otherwise the shoot goes to your foot > (and they will remember you as a bullshitter) > > This articles and discussions there are great to create opportunities for > those who do cool stuff and have cases to show them up. > > That can create wealth. > > So, for those who do, that's the wrong time to remain silent and discrete > and the right time to display what can be done. > > Act. > > If you can show cool stuff, act, case by case, it will elevates the whole > niche and position you as a reference on that > > from mobile > > > On 09/01/2015, at 03:08, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Well, I must say, my article really touched off a firestorm of > controversy. > > The Reddit thread is *very* active! Hacker News is also fairly lively. > This > > is where all of you do battle with the naysayers and critics. > > > > From my standpoint, my article did its job. It served as a lightning rod > to > > draw in developers from all over the world, from every other programming > > language. *Now that we have their attention*, our job is to try our best > to > > persuade them. > > > > If we can "sell" Smalltalk to enough people, we gain mindshare. Companies > > may hear about Smalltalk and possibly include it in their internal IT > > discussions. Smalltalk may even get back on the TIOBE language index! > > > > We must keep the public discourse alive. I encourage you to blog about > it, > > write articles about it, comment on social media sites, etc. Because once > > things settle down, they will /forget/ about Smalltalk...again. > > > > > > horrido wrote > >> Yes, I posted to both Reddit and Hacker News simultaneously. Looks like > it > >> has a slower uptake at Hacker News: > >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856503 > >> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856503> > >> > >> Is it possible that I've finally succeeded in igniting a revolution? I > >> feel like Che Guevara. > > > >> > >> sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com wrote > >>> It was posted already on Hacker News or Reddit? > >>> > >>> If not, it sounds like is the right time to do that > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:03 PM, horrido < > > > >>> horrido.hobbies@ > > > >>> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> WHOA! My article is *ON FIRE!* Seven hours into publication and it has > >>>> achieved a staggering 2.7K views, 1.1K reads, and 9 recommendations. > >>>> It's > >>>> catching up to my best article ever, " The Case for Go Web Frameworks > >>>> < > https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-case-for-go-web-frameworks-a791fcd79d47 > >>>> < > https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-case-for-go-web-frameworks-a791fcd79d47&… > ;> > >>>> ", which had 3.9K views and 2.4K reads. > >>>> > >>>> Who would've thought that Smalltalk would be such a hot topic?! I am > >>>> truly > >>>> flabbergasted. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> horrido wrote > >>>>> In > >>>> * > >>>>> the 3 hours > >>>> * > >>>>> since this article was published at Medium, it has garnered > >>>> * > >>>>> 178 views > >>>> * > >>>>> and > >>>> * > >>>>> 96 reads > >>>> * > >>>>> , and counting! This makes it easily the most "hot" article I've ever > >>>>> written. It is currently at the top of > >>>>> Medium's front page <https://medium.com/> > >>>>> which is reserved for "hot" or "trending" articles. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks to everyone! > >>>>> horrido wrote > >>>>>> > https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51 > >>>>>> < > https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I welcome your comments. It's not too late to edit the piece. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> View this message in context: > >>>> http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798436.html > >>>> < > http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798436.html> > >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > >>>> Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798499.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > >

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] athens font rendering bug

by Alexandre Bergel

In Roassal I solved this problem by using a scale of 1.0001 Alexandre > On Jan 9, 2015, at 5:17 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > This still happens I don't know why and it does not > happens always. > (fresh pharo 40437image) > <font_character_mix.png> -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Revolution

by Sebastian Sastre

It is true that Reddit and HN are the frontier but "battling" is a terrible metaphor to embrace. You don't battle naysayers. Nobody has the money and emotional labor to do it. You don't battle them because if you do and you win, you will be "full of reason", less productive, with potentially transforming a naysayer in a hater and no real gain (no wealth creation in the process). The alternative is to indirectly prove them wrong by simply showing that Smalltalk is more than adequate to implement <insert naysayer objection here> Of course for that to happen you have to have a case, done with hard work on those frameworks and solutions, otherwise the shoot goes to your foot (and they will remember you as a bullshitter) This articles and discussions there are great to create opportunities for those who do cool stuff and have cases to show them up. That can create wealth. So, for those who do, that's the wrong time to remain silent and discrete and the right time to display what can be done. Act. If you can show cool stuff, act, case by case, it will elevates the whole niche and position you as a reference on that from mobile > On 09/01/2015, at 03:08, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, I must say, my article really touched off a firestorm of controversy. > The Reddit thread is *very* active! Hacker News is also fairly lively. This > is where all of you do battle with the naysayers and critics. > > From my standpoint, my article did its job. It served as a lightning rod to > draw in developers from all over the world, from every other programming > language. *Now that we have their attention*, our job is to try our best to > persuade them. > > If we can "sell" Smalltalk to enough people, we gain mindshare. Companies > may hear about Smalltalk and possibly include it in their internal IT > discussions. Smalltalk may even get back on the TIOBE language index! > > We must keep the public discourse alive. I encourage you to blog about it, > write articles about it, comment on social media sites, etc. Because once > things settle down, they will /forget/ about Smalltalk...again. > > > horrido wrote >> Yes, I posted to both Reddit and Hacker News simultaneously. Looks like it >> has a slower uptake at Hacker News: >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856503 >> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856503> >> >> Is it possible that I've finally succeeded in igniting a revolution? I >> feel like Che Guevara. > >> >> sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com wrote >>> It was posted already on Hacker News or Reddit? >>> >>> If not, it sounds like is the right time to do that >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:03 PM, horrido < > >>> horrido.hobbies@ > >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> WHOA! My article is *ON FIRE!* Seven hours into publication and it has >>>> achieved a staggering 2.7K views, 1.1K reads, and 9 recommendations. >>>> It's >>>> catching up to my best article ever, " The Case for Go Web Frameworks >>>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-case-for-go-web-frameworks-a791fcd79d47 >>>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-case-for-go-web-frameworks-a791fcd79d47>> >>>> ", which had 3.9K views and 2.4K reads. >>>> >>>> Who would've thought that Smalltalk would be such a hot topic?! I am >>>> truly >>>> flabbergasted. >>>> >>>> >>>> horrido wrote >>>>> In >>>> * >>>>> the 3 hours >>>> * >>>>> since this article was published at Medium, it has garnered >>>> * >>>>> 178 views >>>> * >>>>> and >>>> * >>>>> 96 reads >>>> * >>>>> , and counting! This makes it easily the most "hot" article I've ever >>>>> written. It is currently at the top of >>>>> Medium's front page <https://medium.com/> >>>>> which is reserved for "hot" or "trending" articles. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks to everyone! >>>>> horrido wrote >>>>>> https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51 >>>>>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51> >>>>>> >>>>>> I welcome your comments. It's not too late to edit the piece. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798436.html >>>> <http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798436.html> >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >>>> Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>. > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798499.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 9, 2015

[ANN] OS Project with initial support for Ubuntu and Unix

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi, beside the existing "OS-Windows" support for Windows operating system the "Pharo OS project" (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~OS) now also has new subprojects for "OS-Unix" and "OS-Linux-Ubuntu" with some initial support for these native platforms as well. You can load it from the config browser in Pharo 4.0. I guess the attached screenshot will explain it all... Bye T.

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Revolution

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 09 Jan 2015, at 10:22, Atlas <erde(a)chello.at> wrote: > > In my humble opinion, there is no point battling naysayers: the energy > required is best spent with people sharing a vision, improving the system > and experimenting with concepts to help us tackle the complexity of large > systems. Smalltalk is only the beginning, not the final solution. Yes, indeed. > As for corporate and private computing: Trust is a big issue. With recent > events, maybe a bigger issue than ever. Corporations and users need to trust > their software. Smalltalk provides a degree of transparency and > accessibility not found in other systems. If you don't know what your > application is doing, you simply plug it apart and inspect it. The > uniformity of the system makes this process far easier than inspecting a > mountain of, for instance, C code. > Then, there is the problem of language integration and obsoletion. It is > funny that many corporations still rely on a handful of trendy languages to > solve all kinds of problems. Some have already realized that polyglot > programming is the way to go and Smalltalk provides an ideal basis to do > this. Yes. > However, we have to demonstrate that we can build better, larger systems in > a far more productive and comprehensible fashion. What we need is to > establish a unified systems architecture and Smalltalk is an ideal > candidate. But there is still a long way ahead (but the malleability of > Smalltalk might make it easy for us to explore new horizons and set new > directions). The naysayers will, inevitably, follow. I don't know about one unified architecture, the world is too diverse for that. Indeed the best thing to do is to build really cool real-life business applications that are successful. That is what the success stories are all about. Leading by example. The rest (people, resources, money, jobs) will follow. The goal of Pharo is to make that possible.

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Revolution

by Atlas

In my humble opinion, there is no point battling naysayers: the energy required is best spent with people sharing a vision, improving the system and experimenting with concepts to help us tackle the complexity of large systems. Smalltalk is only the beginning, not the final solution. As for corporate and private computing: Trust is a big issue. With recent events, maybe a bigger issue than ever. Corporations and users need to trust their software. Smalltalk provides a degree of transparency and accessibility not found in other systems. If you don't know what your application is doing, you simply plug it apart and inspect it. The uniformity of the system makes this process far easier than inspecting a mountain of, for instance, C code. Then, there is the problem of language integration and obsoletion. It is funny that many corporations still rely on a handful of trendy languages to solve all kinds of problems. Some have already realized that polyglot programming is the way to go and Smalltalk provides an ideal basis to do this. However, we have to demonstrate that we can build better, larger systems in a far more productive and comprehensible fashion. What we need is to establish a unified systems architecture and Smalltalk is an ideal candidate. But there is still a long way ahead (but the malleability of Smalltalk might make it easy for us to explore new horizons and set new directions). The naysayers will, inevitably, follow. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798516.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 9, 2015

athens font rendering bug

by Nicolai Hess

This still happens I don't know why and it does not happens always. (fresh pharo 40437image)

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] are senders and implementors broken in Pharo40?

by stepharo

Thanks Nicolai I would remove the history and continue to simplify the code of nautilus. I will find a way to allocate time slots so that I can get some tractions. Stef > I think this has something to do with the NautilusHistory. It occurred > after a refactoring and a fix (don't know the issue number). > After the refactoring, we got DNUs on removing methods I fixed that > one, but I may introduce this bug, > I 'll have a look. > > 2015-01-08 22:49 GMT+01:00 Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com > <mailto:chisvasileandrei@gmail.com>>: > > It happened also to me a few times. It seemed random. > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Marcus Denker > <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: > > > > On 08 Jan 2015, at 17:16, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > > > When I do senders of buildFrom: I get nautilus pointing a > class but not the method? > > No time to fix it but we should avoid to integrate enh that > breaks the browser like that. > > > > The strange thing is that it does not happen always. > > If I download the image it works. But I had already multiple > cases where it stopped working > I have not yet found out why. > > Marcus > > > >

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Revolution

by horrido

Well, I must say, my article really touched off a firestorm of controversy. The Reddit thread is *very* active! Hacker News is also fairly lively. This is where all of you do battle with the naysayers and critics. >From my standpoint, my article did its job. It served as a lightning rod to draw in developers from all over the world, from every other programming language. *Now that we have their attention*, our job is to try our best to persuade them. If we can "sell" Smalltalk to enough people, we gain mindshare. Companies may hear about Smalltalk and possibly include it in their internal IT discussions. Smalltalk may even get back on the TIOBE language index! We must keep the public discourse alive. I encourage you to blog about it, write articles about it, comment on social media sites, etc. Because once things settle down, they will /forget/ about Smalltalk...again. horrido wrote > Yes, I posted to both Reddit and Hacker News simultaneously. Looks like it > has a slower uptake at Hacker News: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856503 > <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8856503> > > Is it possible that I've finally succeeded in igniting a revolution? I > feel like Che Guevara. > > sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com wrote >> It was posted already on Hacker News or Reddit? >> >> If not, it sounds like is the right time to do that >> >> >>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 5:03 PM, horrido < >> horrido.hobbies@ >> > wrote: >>> >>> WHOA! My article is *ON FIRE!* Seven hours into publication and it has >>> achieved a staggering 2.7K views, 1.1K reads, and 9 recommendations. >>> It's >>> catching up to my best article ever, " The Case for Go Web Frameworks >>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-case-for-go-web-frameworks-a791fcd79d47 >>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-case-for-go-web-frameworks-a791fcd79d47>> >>> ", which had 3.9K views and 2.4K reads. >>> >>> Who would've thought that Smalltalk would be such a hot topic?! I am >>> truly >>> flabbergasted. >>> >>> >>> horrido wrote >>>> In >>> * >>>> the 3 hours >>> * >>>> since this article was published at Medium, it has garnered >>> * >>>> 178 views >>> * >>>> and >>> * >>>> 96 reads >>> * >>>> , and counting! This makes it easily the most "hot" article I've ever >>>> written. It is currently at the top of >>>> Medium's front page <https://medium.com/> >>>> which is reserved for "hot" or "trending" articles. >>>> >>>> Thanks to everyone! >>>> horrido wrote >>>>> https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51 >>>>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51> >>>>> >>>>> I welcome your comments. It's not too late to edit the piece. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798436.html >>> <http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798436.html> >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >>> Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798499.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Revolution

by horrido

In fact, I'm looking for someone to tackle essay Topic #1. Care to try? Eliot Miranda-2 wrote > Hi Richard, > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:51 AM, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51 >> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-smalltalk-revolution-ee245c281f51> >> >> I welcome your comments. It's not too late to edit the piece. >> > > Instead of "Second, Smalltalk is also a programming environment or IDE", I > would say "Second, Smalltalk is also a live programming environment with > it's own integrated and extensible IDE". > > Instead of "With the integrated debugger, you are endowed with great power > to prototype your application." I would say "The integrated debugger is > exceptionally powerful. Not only can you inspect the execution state, > edit > and continue, you can also define new classes and methods, in the context > of a live application you are developing. You can actually program in the > debugger. Start by defining just a test and continue from there." > > Instead of just "Class browser, code editor, object inspector, debugger, > and workspace are an integrated whole.". I would add "All these tools, > even the compiler and the class system itself, are implemented in > Smalltalk. You can extend the tools to fit the way that you work, and > because the system is live, you can do so while you're programming. It > really is the ultimate tailorable programing system." > > HTH > > Thanks. >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> > -- > best, > Eliot -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Revolution-tp4798320p4798498.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 9, 2015