January 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also get you bitten. :) El ene 14, 2015 8:33 PM, "Sebastian Sastre" <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> escribiÃ³: > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > > Hi Sven-- > > Nothing happened to this project in more than a year... It is mostly > > > vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the > > article will soon find out. > > > Well, perhaps this reminder will stimulate some interest. > > > totally +1 > > The guy only needs 4K and this gets to 1.0? > > Weâre nutz if that doesnât happen > > >

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Sebastian Sastre

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > > Hi Sven-- > >> Nothing happened to this project in more than a year... It is mostly > > vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the >> article will soon find out. > > Well, perhaps this reminder will stimulate some interest. > totally +1 The guy only needs 4K and this gets to 1.0? Weâre nutz if that doesnât happen

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Sebastian Sastre

On the other hand we are fragmented and compartamentalized big time. Itâs 2015 and I never had hear about this before (from 2013): http://bulenkov.com/2013/04/23/smalltalk-support-in-intellij-idea/ <http://bulenkov.com/2013/04/23/smalltalk-support-in-intellij-idea/> Something like that would give you the power of all the Java libraries. Are you feeling it? Thatâs exactly the propeller that Clojure has used to go where it is now. > On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:24 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Picking up and promoting inactive projects just to put a tick on a > feature's checkbox can backfire big time. > > If there is one thing I've been always proud as a Smtalltalker is that > we don't sell hype or vaporware, rather the contrary (which is also a failure). > > I'm all in to embrace an aggressive PR campaign, but only if properly curated. > > Regards! > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2015-01-14 19:55 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: >> A blank. >> >> Nothing happened to this project in more than a year >> >> https://github.com/redline-smalltalk/redline-smalltalk/commits/master >> >> It is mostly vapourware and has no users. >> >> People following the links on the article will soon find out. >> >> Just sad. >> >>> On 14 Jan 2015, at 23:40, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm… >>> <http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm…> >>> >>> Note the last paragraph. Our campaign will be noticed! >>> >>> This is exactly what I was after when I started the SRP. Spread the word >>> about the campaign as far and wide as I could. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799612.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> >

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Craig Latta

Hi Sven-- > Nothing happened to this project in more than a year... It is mostly > vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the > article will soon find out. Well, perhaps this reminder will stimulate some interest. -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Picking up and promoting inactive projects just to put a tick on a feature's checkbox can backfire big time. If there is one thing I've been always proud as a Smtalltalker is that we don't sell hype or vaporware, rather the contrary (which is also a failure). I'm all in to embrace an aggressive PR campaign, but only if properly curated. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2015-01-14 19:55 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > A blank. > > Nothing happened to this project in more than a year > > https://github.com/redline-smalltalk/redline-smalltalk/commits/master > > It is mostly vapourware and has no users. > > People following the links on the article will soon find out. > > Just sad. > >> On 14 Jan 2015, at 23:40, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm… >> <http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm…> >> >> Note the last paragraph. Our campaign will be noticed! >> >> This is exactly what I was after when I started the SRP. Spread the word >> about the campaign as far and wide as I could. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799612.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Sebastian Sastre

And James got pretty close to the goal of this campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/redline-smalltalk-v1-0 <https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/redline-smalltalk-v1-0> Interestingly, being so close, a little bit of PR at the right time could have done a difference. Something to think about Congratulations for the mention Richard! totally earned > On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:40 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm… > <http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm…> > > Note the last paragraph. Our campaign will be noticed! > > This is exactly what I was after when I started the SRP. Spread the word > about the campaign as far and wide as I could. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799612.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Implementing lazy loading for expandable collections (part 2)

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Stephan, On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > I'm more worried about this part. > > [ 10000 timesRepeat: [ | c | > c := OrderedCollection new. > c add: 1. > 2 to: 10000 do: [ :i | > c add: i beforeIndex: (c atRandom) ] ] ] timeToRun > "5 min. 30 s." > > Stephan > About 90% of the entire time is in the string copying primitive. Not much to be done there. Sista could speed this up by eliminating the validation overhead of the primitive. But with our current VM technology there's not a lot one can do given that OrderedCollection is organized as a flat stack. This is probably a case where an ordered tree would be faster, albeit have a lot more space overhead. /Users/eliot/Cog/oscogvm/build.macos32x86/squeak.cog.spur/Fast.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak 1/14/2015 eden size: 4,101,312 stack pages: 160 code size: 1,048,576 500 timesRepeat: [| c | c := OrderedCollection new. c add: 1. 2 to: 10000 do: [:i | c add: i beforeIndex: c atRandom]] gc prior. clear prior. 25.14 seconds; sampling frequency 1459 hz 36250 samples in the VM (36670 samples in the entire program) 98.85% of total 2749 samples in generated vm code 7.58% of entire vm ( 7.50% of total) 33501 samples in vanilla vm code 92.42% of entire vm (91.36% of total) % of generated vm code (% of total) (samples) (cumulative) 10.51% ( 0.79%) Semaphore>>critical: (289) (10.51%) 7.97% ( 0.60%) Collection>>atRandom (219) (18.48%) 6.37% ( 0.48%) BoxedFloat64>>/ (175) (24.85%) 5.82% ( 0.44%) ceSmallMethodContext (160) (30.67%) 5.60% ( 0.42%) OrderedCollection>>insert:before: (154) (36.27%) 5.17% ( 0.39%) BoxedFloat64>>* (142) (41.43%) 3.78% ( 0.28%) BlockClosure>>ensure: (104) (45.22%) 3.60% ( 0.27%) Random>>nextValue (99) (48.82%) 3.35% ( 0.25%) BlockClosure>>value (92) (52.16%) 3.20% ( 0.24%) Array>>replaceFrom:to:with:startingAt: (88) (55.37%) 3.20% ( 0.24%) BoxedFloat64>>truncated (88) (58.57%) 3.20% ( 0.24%) OrderedCollection>>add:beforeIndex: (88) (61.77%) 2.87% ( 0.22%) BlockClosure>>valueNoContextSwitch (79) (64.64%) 2.87% ( 0.22%) Random>>next (79) (67.52%) 2.58% ( 0.19%) BoxedFloat64>>- (71) (70.10%) 2.51% ( 0.19%) OrderedCollection>>size (69) (72.61%) 2.22% ( 0.17%) Semaphore>>wait (61) (74.83%) 2.11% ( 0.16%) SmallInteger>>- (58) (76.94%) 2.11% ( 0.16%) UndefinedObject>>DoIt (58) (79.05%) 2.07% ( 0.16%) OrderedCollection>>at: (57) (81.12%) 2.07% ( 0.16%) Random>>nextInt: (57) (83.19%) 1.93% ( 0.14%) SequenceableCollection>>atRandom: (53) (85.12%) 1.93% ( 0.14%) SmallInteger>>+ (53) (87.05%) 1.75% ( 0.13%) Magnitude>>between:and: (48) (88.80%) 1.71% ( 0.13%) Semaphore>>signal (47) (90.51%) 1.49% ( 0.11%) Number>>quo: (41) (92.00%) 1.49% ( 0.11%) Object>>at:put: (41) (93.49%) 1.31% ( 0.10%) Collection class>>mutexForPicking (36) (94.80%) 1.20% ( 0.09%) Object>>at: (33) (96.00%) 1.05% ( 0.08%) Collection class>>randomForPicking (29) (97.05%) 0.87% ( 0.07%) Number>>strictlyPositive (24) (97.93%) 0.76% ( 0.06%) BoxedFloat64>>> (21) (98.69%) 0.62% ( 0.05%) SmallInteger>>> (17) (99.31%) 0.51% ( 0.04%) SmallInteger>><= (14) (99.82%) 0.18% ( 0.01%) ...others... (5) (100.0%) % of vanilla vm code (% of total) (samples) (cumulative) 97.38% (88.96%) primitiveStringReplace (32623) (97.38%) 0.90% ( 0.82%) primitiveTruncated (302) (98.28%) 0.61% ( 0.56%) scavengeReferentsOf (204) (98.89%) 0.36% ( 0.33%) copyAndForward (122) (99.25%) 0.20% ( 0.18%) primitiveWait (66) (99.45%) 0.18% ( 0.16%) scavengeLoop (59) (99.63%) 0.12% ( 0.11%) synchronousSignal (40) (99.75%) 0.07% ( 0.06%) primitiveSignal (22) (99.81%) 0.04% ( 0.04%) instantiateC...ndexableSize(15) (99.86%) 0.04% ( 0.04%) processWeakSurvivor (14) (99.90%) 0.03% ( 0.03%) mapStackPages (10) (99.93%) 0.01% ( 0.01%) scavengingGCTenuringIf(5) (99.94%) 0.06% ( 0.05%) ...others... (19) (100.0%) -- best, Eliot

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

A blank. Nothing happened to this project in more than a year https://github.com/redline-smalltalk/redline-smalltalk/commits/master It is mostly vapourware and has no users. People following the links on the article will soon find out. Just sad. > On 14 Jan 2015, at 23:40, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm… > <http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm…> > > Note the last paragraph. Our campaign will be noticed! > > This is exactly what I was after when I started the SRP. Spread the word > about the campaign as far and wide as I could. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799612.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 14, 2015

InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by horrido

http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm… <http://www.infoworld.com/article/2867543/java/redline-smalltalk-bridging-sm…> Note the last paragraph. Our campaign will be noticed! This is exactly what I was after when I started the SRP. Spread the word about the campaign as far and wide as I could. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799612.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 14, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Access to Pharo/TxText

by Nicolai Hess

2015-01-14 22:50 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > I do not think Igor will look at them. > Why not? And who else did work on this? > I can try but I'm a newbie there. > so tag me. > > Stef > > Le 14/1/15 12:43, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : > > > On 14 Jan 2015, at 00:30, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < > vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > Could someone take a look at this > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14632/Access-to-Pharo-TxText > > > In general we need to organise: Who > - will review fixes for TxText that are on the issue tracker? > - commits them to the repo and give commit right to people? > - push and coordinate to have the latest in Pharo4? > > Right now, all TxText contributions are ignored. > > Marcus > > >

Jan. 14, 2015