January 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: 14827 ProtoObject>>pointersTo failing circular references

by Nicolai Hess

Hi Ben, i don't know exactly what is happening here, but (size vs. inpsect) testObject := 'TEST'. ref1 := { testObject. nil }. ref2 := { ref1 }. ref3 := { ref2 }. ref1 at: 2 put: ref3. "note the reference loop this creates" testObject pointersTo size -> 5 works. So, the problem is not in #pointersTo but inspecting the result array has one or more recursive self calls to its elements. 2015-01-30 3:59 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > > I am revisiting my PointerDetective tool, which relies heavily on > ProtoObject>>pointersTo. > > The example I recorded at the repository home page is currently locking & > crashing the image due to #pointersTo being unable to handle the circular > reference. This "must" have been working on Windows at least around August > 2014, but I've been unable to reproduce a working case since my Windows > laptop died and I've since moved to OSX. > > On OSX, in a fresh image 40467 and latest vm 402, the following crashes > the image... > > testObject := 'TEST'. > ref1 := { testObject. nil }. > ref2 := { ref1 }. > ref3 := { ref2 }. > ref1 at: 2 put: ref3. "note the reference loop this creates" > testObject pointersTo inspect. > > OSX Memory Monitor shows memory usage shoot from 50MB to >500MB in a few > seconds, then usually the image crashes, but sometimes just hangs. > > I've logged... > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14827 > > cheers -ben > >

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by kilon alios

personally I dont even understand why one would not want tabs, especially in such a heavy window orientated enviroment like Pharo. Sure if I better solution existed yes, but even in MacOS while mission control existed for quite some time (offers a bird eye view of opened windows) still Apple was forced to implement tabs even inside Finder. Tabs are actually a standard feature for all applications nowdays and is strange that Pharo has hidden it inside menus. I completely agree with you that drag and drop or at least some other easy to use solution would be ideal. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > maybe it should just be enabled permanently? defaulting to showing a tab > when only one window is present - just the same as you get with a web > browser. I think this paradigm is common enough with web browsers today > being able to drag/drop tabs is a common enough that this will be > discoverable for most people. > > Perhaps a preference to turn it off as a backup for those that don't like > it? > > btw, > > cheers -ben > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> I know about the feature, but we did not yet find a proper solution for >> it. >> >> The current default solution does not make for a good user experience: I >> have to click an obscure menu item just to make the window be a drop target >> and I get no visual feedback of what can be dropped on it. The issue of >> many windows is a significant problem that deserves a closer attention. >> >> I am sure it will take a while, though. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:11 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> Another features that nobody knows (even us). >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> Le 29/1/15 18:51, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Previous (and still included) Workspace, Transcript and Nautilus >>>> provide Window grouping by selecting "Create window group" from the >>>> window menu and then dragging two windows onto each other. >>>> They are grouped together in one single window then and each one >>>> gets a tab. >>>> >>>> Looks like Playground does not support this feature yet - so currently >>>> I end up with many many windows which for me is a step backwards >>>> compared to working with workspaces in Pharo 3.0 >>>> >>>> What is necessary to provide this for the Playground so we have a >>>> common behavior for all the tools and a cleaner desktop? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> T. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > >

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by Ben Coman

maybe it should just be enabled permanently? defaulting to showing a tab when only one window is present - just the same as you get with a web browser. I think this paradigm is common enough with web browsers today being able to drag/drop tabs is a common enough that this will be discoverable for most people. Perhaps a preference to turn it off as a backup for those that don't like it? btw, cheers -ben On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I know about the feature, but we did not yet find a proper solution for it. > > The current default solution does not make for a good user experience: I > have to click an obscure menu item just to make the window be a drop target > and I get no visual feedback of what can be dropped on it. The issue of > many windows is a significant problem that deserves a closer attention. > > I am sure it will take a while, though. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:11 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Another features that nobody knows (even us). >> >> Stef >> >> Le 29/1/15 18:51, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : >> >> Previous (and still included) Workspace, Transcript and Nautilus >>> provide Window grouping by selecting "Create window group" from the >>> window menu and then dragging two windows onto each other. >>> They are grouped together in one single window then and each one >>> gets a tab. >>> >>> Looks like Playground does not support this feature yet - so currently >>> I end up with many many windows which for me is a step backwards >>> compared to working with workspaces in Pharo 3.0 >>> >>> What is necessary to provide this for the Playground so we have a >>> common behavior for all the tools and a cleaner desktop? >>> >>> Thanks >>> T. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by Tudor Girba

Hi, The philosophy in the GT team is not to remove things from the existing environment, but to start from scratch and add the things that fit. This is the only way to get to completely new solutions. This is one of those interesting ideas that just did not fit in the current form. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's still a regular window, so it's possible, the only difference is > missing button for it, which according to Tudor was removed purposefully. > > > http://forum.world.st/GT-Playground-Inspect-window-menu-tp4782020p4782044.h… > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:10 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> Le 30/1/15 11:20, kilon alios a Ã©crit : >> >>> Do you want to hear the irony , I only use Workspace to create a window >>> group to act as a container for Playgrounds :D >>> >> D >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by Tudor Girba

I know about the feature, but we did not yet find a proper solution for it. The current default solution does not make for a good user experience: I have to click an obscure menu item just to make the window be a drop target and I get no visual feedback of what can be dropped on it. The issue of many windows is a significant problem that deserves a closer attention. I am sure it will take a while, though. Cheers, Doru On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:11 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Another features that nobody knows (even us). > > Stef > > Le 29/1/15 18:51, Torsten Bergmann a Ã©crit : > > Previous (and still included) Workspace, Transcript and Nautilus >> provide Window grouping by selecting "Create window group" from the >> window menu and then dragging two windows onto each other. >> They are grouped together in one single window then and each one >> gets a tab. >> >> Looks like Playground does not support this feature yet - so currently >> I end up with many many windows which for me is a step backwards >> compared to working with workspaces in Pharo 3.0 >> >> What is necessary to provide this for the Playground so we have a >> common behavior for all the tools and a cleaner desktop? >> >> Thanks >> T. >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Plague Doctor

by kilon alios

Bare in mind that using Copyrighted images without the permission of the author makes you liable to be sued. So what is Plague Doctor ? The smalltalkhub description does not help at all, what is that "window plague" ? On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > :) > > Great picture! I love Plague Doctor > freaking guy. > > Stef > > Le 30/1/15 11:29, Roberto Minelli a Ã©crit : > > To follow Stefâs advice of advertising our projects, here is the Plague > Doctor! > > During development your Pharo IDE will quickly become overcrowded with > unused windows. The Plague Doctor is a tool, inspired by Autumn Leaves, > that helps you to mitigate this issue by closing the windows that you are > less likely to use in the future. > > If you want to try our prototype, please install it with the following > script or ask me for a quick demo (I am Lille for the PharoDays!). > > Gofer new > smalltalkhubUser: 'RobertoMinelli' project: 'PlagueDoctor'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfPlagueDoctor'; > load. > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPlagueDoctor) loadDevelopment. > > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~RobertoMinelli/PlagueDoctor > > P.s. If you report a problem or a feature request, please file in an > entry > https://github.com/RobertoMinelli/PlagueDoctor/issues > > >

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by Ben Coman

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:20 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > you dont watch my video tutorials ? ;D > > > Your video is where I learnt about it. thanks Kilon.

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Plague Doctor

by stepharo

:) Great picture! I love Plague Doctor freaking guy. Stef Le 30/1/15 11:29, Roberto Minelli a Ã©crit : > To follow Stefâs advice of advertising our projects, here is > the Plague Doctor! > > During development your Pharo IDE will quickly become overcrowded with > unused windows. The Plague Doctor is a tool, inspired by Autumn > Leaves, that helps you to mitigate this issue by closing the windows > that you are less likely to use in the future. > > If you want to try our prototype, please install it with the following > script or ask me for a quick demo (I am Lille for the PharoDays!). > > Gofer new > smalltalkhubUser: 'RobertoMinelli' project: 'PlagueDoctor'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfPlagueDoctor'; > load. > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPlagueDoctor) loadDevelopment. > > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~RobertoMinelli/PlagueDoctor > <http://smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7ERobertoMinelli/PlagueDoctor> > > P.s. If you report a problem or a feature request, please file in an entry > https://github.com/RobertoMinelli/PlagueDoctor/issues >

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

It's still a regular window, so it's possible, the only difference is missing button for it, which according to Tudor was removed purposefully. http://forum.world.st/GT-Playground-Inspect-window-menu-tp4782020p4782044.h… On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:10 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Le 30/1/15 11:20, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > >> Do you want to hear the irony , I only use Workspace to create a window >> group to act as a container for Playgrounds :D >> > D > > > > > >

Jan. 30, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] Create window group for Playground

by stepharo

Le 30/1/15 11:20, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > Do you want to hear the irony , I only use Workspace to create a > window group to act as a container for Playgrounds :D D

Jan. 30, 2015