January 2015 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

R: InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Lorenzo Schiavina

+1 Lorenzo Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di Sebastian Sastre Inviato: giovedÃ¬ 15 gennaio 2015 12:56 A: Pharo Development List Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also get you bitten. :) And whatâs the news on that? The world is full of people paralysed by fear. Scared people is not worth following (they are not going to invent any interesting future). The ones who dear to do different are way more interesting.

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Sebastian Sastre

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also get you bitten. :) And whatâs the news on that? The world is full of people paralysed by fear. Scared people is not worth following (they are not going to invent any interesting future). The ones who dear to do different are way more interesting.

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 15 janv. 2015 12:20, "Stephan Eggermont" <stephan(a)stack.nl> a Ã©crit : > > Frank wrote: > >I don't see how "[t]he gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream > >technologies" can be true. F#, Clojure, Haskell are hardly mainstream > >technologies, and SO works just great for them. > > It doesn't for smalltalk. Just take a look at top users for [smalltalk] > and compare. Then look at the questions and compare the homework > to other ones. > > F# and Clojure are seen by mainstream users of respectively java and C# > as interesting technology to possibly switch to. The smallest of them already > has 7 times as many questions. > > Max wrote: > >There are also a couple of outstanding answers to problems in the > >Smalltalk world on SO that I doubt you would find on the mailing lists. > > 100% of them are given by people who also answer those questions on the > mailing lists. > > Stephan Traffic increases as a sign of traction/engagement and we want to silence things. Yeah sure. Put a tag in the title and filter on that. Phil

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Stephan Eggermont

Frank wrote: >I don't see how "[t]he gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream >technologies" can be true. F#, Clojure, Haskell are hardly mainstream >technologies, and SO works just great for them. It doesn't for smalltalk. Just take a look at top users for [smalltalk] and compare. Then look at the questions and compare the homework to other ones. F# and Clojure are seen by mainstream users of respectively java and C# as interesting technology to possibly switch to. The smallest of them already has 7 times as many questions. Max wrote: >There are also a couple of outstanding answers to problems in the >Smalltalk world on SO that I doubt you would find on the mailing lists. 100% of them are given by people who also answer those questions on the mailing lists. Stephan

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Serge Stinckwich

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > Serge wrote: >>and point to Pharo StackOverflow questions/answers if necessary. > > That is a bad idea. Stackoverflow works pretty bad for us. > Questions get closed by clueless moderators. > The gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream technologies. I was not aware of that. Do you have recent examples about this behaviour ? Shall we move the discussion to pharo-users instead ? -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Max Leske

> On 15 Jan 2015, at 11:26, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > Serge wrote: >> and point to Pharo StackOverflow questions/answers if necessary. > > That is a bad idea. Stackoverflow works pretty bad for us. > Questions get closed by clueless moderators. > The gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream technologies. I donât agree. I think it works great. Yes, not everything works perfectly but the pharo traffic has increased quite a bit on SO and people go there to ask questions. There are also a couple of outstanding answers to problems in the Smalltalk world on SO that I doubt you would find on the mailing lists. Cheers, Max > > Stephan >

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Frank Shearar

On 15 January 2015 at 10:26, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > Serge wrote: >>and point to Pharo StackOverflow questions/answers if necessary. > > That is a bad idea. Stackoverflow works pretty bad for us. > Questions get closed by clueless moderators. > The gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream technologies. I don't see how "[t]he gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream technologies" can be true. F#, Clojure, Haskell are hardly mainstream technologies, and SO works just great for them. frank > Stephan >

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Stephan Eggermont

Serge wrote: >and point to Pharo StackOverflow questions/answers if necessary. That is a bad idea. Stackoverflow works pretty bad for us. Questions get closed by clueless moderators. The gaming system doesn't work for non-mainstream technologies. Stephan

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Serge Stinckwich

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> On 15 Jan 2015, at 08:24, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> Hi guys >> >> I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. >> We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is important >> for our concentration. >> I really like the other discussions but we should have them in Pharo-users. >> I think that it makes sense. >> >> Stef > > YES ! > > We should also ourselves use the right mailing list when asking our own questions. > > And we should point people using the wrong list to the right one. +1 and point to Pharo StackOverflow questions/answers if necessary. -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 15 Jan 2015, at 08:24, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > Hi guys > > I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. > We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is important > for our concentration. > I really like the other discussions but we should have them in Pharo-users. > I think that it makes sense. > > Stef YES ! We should also ourselves use the right mailing list when asking our own questions. And we should point people using the wrong list to the right one.

Jan. 15, 2015