September 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ephestos 0.1 released

by Hilaire

Le 21/09/2014 15:13, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > yes this is where Ephestos is going. However I wanted first to make sure > that the core works as I wanted. Cool, keep going! -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] ExternalTools for *nix - edit w/ $EDITOR and open pictures

by Max Leske

On 21.09.2014, at 17:17, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Le 21 sept. 2014 15:53, "Max Leske" <maxleske(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > > > But if you open a file in an external application youâll still be switching windows, namely between pharo and the external applicationâ¦ What am I missing? > > > I guess you aren't dealing with css, js, json, html, jpg, png, sh files all day long in web apps. > > Actuall, thatâs exactly what I do, every day :) I guess I use the Mac OS Finder to accomplish more or less the same thing. > St code in a window and file browser in another inside pharo and external files in other windows on the second screen with web browser on the third. > > Phil > > Cheers, > > Max > > > > > > On 19.09.2014, at 21:02, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > > >> I had enough to switch between windows to work on external files. > >> > >> So, here is ExternalTools > >> > >> It adds some commands to the File Browser, allowing one to edit in the $EDITOR (for me this is gvim) and another thing for opening the file externally through xdg-open (which kind of opens about anything). > >> > >> Basically, one can extend this to whatever is needed. > >> > >> The only thing is that FileServices initialize needs to be called when a new service is added if you create your own. > >> > >> This is Unix only and requires OSProcess to be loaded (use the ConfigurationBrowser). > >> > >> Gofer it > >> url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/philippeback/HOExtras/main'; > >> package: 'HighOctane-Tools'; > >> load. > >> > >> Screenshot in attach. > >> > >> Doc here: https://gist.github.com/philippeback/8e8f8c6685bebf47f53f > >> > >> > >> Phil > >> > >> > >> <ExternalTools.png> > > > >

Sept. 21, 2014

Spec support for GT-Inspector

by Serge Stinckwich

I try to open a Spec model in Playground like : MessageBrowser browseMessages: Object methods refreshingBlock: [] named: '' but there is no preview tab apparently. -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Parsing Pharo syntax to C/C++

by phil＠highoctane.be

I may have more interesting fish to fry on the horizon... Let's keep in touch :-) Phil Le 21 sept. 2014 17:08, "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > On 20 September 2014 11:04, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > > > Le 20 sept. 2014 10:57, "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> a > Ã©crit : > > > > > >> > >> On 20 September 2014 08:45, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> > A > >> > Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, "Alain Rastoul" <alf.mmm.cat(a)gmail.com> a > Ã©crit > >> > : > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Le 20/09/2014 02:33, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> We'll prevail! > >> >>> > >> >>> What we also need to do is to showcase the Smalltalk workflow and > how > >> >>> nice it is. > >> >>> > >> >>> We cannot gain mindshare by technical prowess only. > >> >>> > >> >>> Phil > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I totally agree with you, > >> >> but I think that those technical advances are vital in current > >> >> technology > >> >> trends (saas, cloud, server side dev) and progress in this field is > >> >> important. > >> >> > >> >> Despite the fact I think that Smalltalk still has an advance in > object > >> >> oriented systems/development, and offers a different perception it is > >> >> hard > >> >> to get the point about object system with people who are formatted by > >> >> the > >> >> hype or by their experience. Discussing with collegues about some > >> >> smalltalk > >> >> concepts is always interesting :) > >> >> > >> >> > >> > I am facing quite some people who are in the FP bandwagon and wonder > how > >> > to > >> > bridge with their views. Like classes are just functions etc. > >> > >> The article that convinced me that objects are higher order functions > >> (that close over a set of variables) is here: > >> http://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap2.html > >> > >> The meat of the article (as far as class/object/function > >> correspondences goes) starts at "Let over Lambda". > >> > > > > Thanks for the reference. > > > > I still can't get myself to plunge into that I've to admit. > > It certainly helps if you can speak a bit of Lisp. Or an ML language, > if you just ignore the ()s. "let over fun" would be the ML/Haskell/F# > version. > > > The issue is that there are not too many people grasping this in typical > > business applications. Not to mention staffing teams. > > > > How do you use this in practice? > > I don't :) Mostly, I find this stuff valuable in understanding new > programming languages. If you know the bones of computing, you > recognise the common patterns between languages. Helps me get up to > speed with new technologies. > > > I know you do lots of magic at your company. I also know that therr > aren't > > that many Frank S. around... > > Sadly, I don't do much magic at work anymore: just doing CRUD in the > cloud nowadays, and trying to talk sense into my colleagues. > > frank > > > Phil > > > >> frank > >> > >> > Phil > >> > >

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] ExternalTools for *nix - edit w/ $EDITOR and open pictures

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 21 sept. 2014 15:53, "Max Leske" <maxleske(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > But if you open a file in an external application youâll still be switching windows, namely between pharo and the external applicationâ¦ What am I missing? > I guess you aren't dealing with css, js, json, html, jpg, png, sh files all day long in web apps. St code in a window and file browser in another inside pharo and external files in other windows on the second screen with web browser on the third. Phil > Cheers, > Max > > > On 19.09.2014, at 21:02, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> I had enough to switch between windows to work on external files. >> >> So, here is ExternalTools >> >> It adds some commands to the File Browser, allowing one to edit in the $EDITOR (for me this is gvim) and another thing for opening the file externally through xdg-open (which kind of opens about anything). >> >> Basically, one can extend this to whatever is needed. >> >> The only thing is that FileServices initialize needs to be called when a new service is added if you create your own. >> >> This is Unix only and requires OSProcess to be loaded (use the ConfigurationBrowser). >> >> Gofer it >> url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/philippeback/HOExtras/main'; >> package: 'HighOctane-Tools'; >> load. >> >> Screenshot in attach. >> >> Doc here: https://gist.github.com/philippeback/8e8f8c6685bebf47f53f >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> <ExternalTools.png> > >

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Issue Tracker] Call for CleanUp of the issue tracker

by Sean P. DeNigris

Nicolai Hess wrote > There are open issues without any action on our part - for months. And > that does not mean "we don't care" Please give issues which are closed simply because they are "stale" the "postponed" status so they can be more easily found later (per http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-input-of-submitters-bug-fixers-needed-t…) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Issue-Tracker-Call-for-CleanUp-of-the-issue-tracker-t… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Parsing Pharo syntax to C/C++

by Frank Shearar

On 20 September 2014 11:04, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > Le 20 sept. 2014 10:57, "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > >> >> On 20 September 2014 08:45, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >> > A >> > Le 20 sept. 2014 03:27, "Alain Rastoul" <alf.mmm.cat(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit >> > : >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Le 20/09/2014 02:33, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : >> >> >> >> >> >>> We'll prevail! >> >>> >> >>> What we also need to do is to showcase the Smalltalk workflow and how >> >>> nice it is. >> >>> >> >>> We cannot gain mindshare by technical prowess only. >> >>> >> >>> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> I totally agree with you, >> >> but I think that those technical advances are vital in current >> >> technology >> >> trends (saas, cloud, server side dev) and progress in this field is >> >> important. >> >> >> >> Despite the fact I think that Smalltalk still has an advance in object >> >> oriented systems/development, and offers a different perception it is >> >> hard >> >> to get the point about object system with people who are formatted by >> >> the >> >> hype or by their experience. Discussing with collegues about some >> >> smalltalk >> >> concepts is always interesting :) >> >> >> >> >> > I am facing quite some people who are in the FP bandwagon and wonder how >> > to >> > bridge with their views. Like classes are just functions etc. >> >> The article that convinced me that objects are higher order functions >> (that close over a set of variables) is here: >> http://letoverlambda.com/index.cl/guest/chap2.html >> >> The meat of the article (as far as class/object/function >> correspondences goes) starts at "Let over Lambda". >> > > Thanks for the reference. > > I still can't get myself to plunge into that I've to admit. It certainly helps if you can speak a bit of Lisp. Or an ML language, if you just ignore the ()s. "let over fun" would be the ML/Haskell/F# version. > The issue is that there are not too many people grasping this in typical > business applications. Not to mention staffing teams. > > How do you use this in practice? I don't :) Mostly, I find this stuff valuable in understanding new programming languages. If you know the bones of computing, you recognise the common patterns between languages. Helps me get up to speed with new technologies. > I know you do lots of magic at your company. I also know that therr aren't > that many Frank S. around... Sadly, I don't do much magic at work anymore: just doing CRUD in the cloud nowadays, and trying to talk sense into my colleagues. frank > Phil > >> frank >> >> > Phil >>

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Ephestos 0.1 released

by kilon alios

yes it comes down to whether 3d graphics and 2d graphics is something that you want to do. Obviously if this an area that does not interest you Ephestos is useless for you. The GUI will come, but as always these things take a lot of time and my free time is limited. I am also interested into adding that GUI also Pharo functionality so Pharo becomes one with Blender. My goals is to create a unified enviroment that is easy to use, pleasant to the eye but also flexible and very powerful with focus on 3d and 3d graphics. Something a kid would want to use but also a professional artist. If I go very far with it I could even see myself selling it as a commercial product while keeping it open source (Blender is GPL). Its definitely something I would love to do professionally at some point. But for the time being I will keep adding stuff till it get hard to resist ;) On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > kilon alios wrote: > >> >> This is 0.1 the first stable release of Ephestos. This release contains >> the following >> >> -a socket client bridge for sending and receiving messages from Blender >> which acts as a socket server >> >> a sendMessage: message to send python command as string to Blender to be >> executed >> >> a python parser that allows the pharo syntax to be used to parse to a >> python command for simple things like calling instance and class method and >> assigning class and instance variables >> >> a getValue: message for reading python values from variables >> >> support for triggering the pharo debugger on python error >> >> support for sending multiple lines of python code in a single message, >> for defining python classes and much more. >> >> A video demonstration can be found here only for the new features: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPGDQc5LUvE&feature=youtu.be < >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPGDQc5LUvE&feature=youtu.be> >> >> >> Documentation is here , its outdated because it does not contain the new >> features but will update in a few days --> https://www.gitbook.io/book/ >> kilon/ephestos >> >> >> With release 0.1 the core features of Ephestos have been finalised. It >> now can be used for full controlling Blender. The next step is to refine >> getting values from Blender so they are automagically converted from >> strings to Pharo data types. >> >> I also will start working on a customised GUI and creating an API for it, >> the goal is to build GUIs that heavily rely on images and custom skins with >> ease. >> > Great to hear of your progress. I'm not ready to dive into learning > Blender internals, but with the GUI this would be very attractive to play > with (and then its likely I stop get sucked into the internals). And even > though I don't need a Python bridge right-now, its really nice to know > something is there for when I do. > > cheers -ben > >

Sept. 21, 2014

new Fogbugz fields Preload & Postload

by Ben Coman

I see interesting new fields Preload and Postload in Fogbugz. I could guess... but it would be useful if someone could describe their usage? cheers -ben

Sept. 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] ExternalTools for *nix - edit w/ $EDITOR and open pictures

by Sebastian Sastre

On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But if you open a file in an external application youâll still be switching windows, namely between pharo and the external applicationâ¦ What am I missing? > > Cheers, > Max I particularly donât see switching windows as a problem. I love switching windows. Specially if they are native windows. All is in its right powerful context (instead of a messy thing with cheap user experience).

Sept. 21, 2014