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Re: [Pharo-dev] EyeCollectionInspector not working?

by ClÃ©ment Bera

Hum it works for me in the latest Pharo (40152). Perhaps it is related to the last but one build that crashed because Smalltalkhub was not responding. Please retry in the last Pharo image. 2014-08-04 14:45 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > it does not appear in the inspector options, when inspecting an Array or > an OrderedCollection. > any clue? > > Esteban >

Aug. 4, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 9b2d31: 40152

by GitHub

Branch: refs/heads/4.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 9b2d319aa04c861cbcdea9cbc27dabacfa7ad709 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/9b2d319aa04c861cbcdea9cb… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-08-04 (Mon, 04 Aug 2014) Changed paths: M NewValueHolder.package/DictionaryValueHolder.class/instance/protocol/at_ifAbsentPut_.st M OpalDecompiler.package/OCDecompilerConstructor.class/instance/private/pragmasForMethod_.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script152.st A ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update40152.st M ScriptLoader40.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M Spec-Inspector.package/BasicIndexedEyeElement.class/instance/comparing/hash.st Log Message: ----------- 40152 13752 4 tests failing on main build due to the decompiler https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13752 13766 DictionaryValueHolder>>#at:ifAbsentPut: always use a caught DNU https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13766 13768 EyeInspector BasicIndexedEyeElement hash is too slow https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13768 http://files.pharo.org/image/40/40152.zip

Aug. 4, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/40152 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can forking speed up anything?

by Levente Uzonyi

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 4 August 2014 09:38, ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2014-08-04 10:17 GMT+02:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I have a script that runs very slow and does a lot of non dependent >>> operation of a collection. I wander if I can speed it up by making it run in >>> another process, because as far as I understand everything runs on a single >>> thread, so I guess this wonât save me. >>> >> I don't think forking can speed up anything. > > But that's only because we're single-threaded, hence single-cored. If > we had a VM that handle multiple threads (like if we resuscitated > Andreas' and Igor's Hydra work), then forking _would_ speed things up. > But that would raise another huge issue, namely the shared state > nature of the image. Hydra works differently. It's basically running multiple images from a single VM, and provides channels between images for communication (like in Erlang). There's no shared state at all between images, and one image can only use one core just like now. It's also possible to use multiple cores by spawning new VMs. IIRC OSProcess has some support for this. Levente > > So perhaps forking _would_ help if your computations were big enough > to justify the cost of spinning up a clone image, like David Lewis' > recent work. > > frank > >> Usually the best solution is to profile your operation with the Profiler, >> then implement differently costly operations, either by removing >> object/block creations in smalltalk if this is possible, else by >> implementing costly operations in C and bind them like that: >> http://clementbera.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/optimizing-pharo-to-c-speed-wit… >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Uko >> >> > >

Aug. 4, 2014

EyeCollectionInspector not working?

by Esteban Lorenzano

it does not appear in the inspector options, when inspecting an Array or an OrderedCollection. any clue? Esteban

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Moving to GitHub

by kilon alios

I don't like it. First its not suitable for my project since my project contains python files as well. Second get 30 mbs image so you can get an additional few kbs sounds like an overkill. Forth what happens to the image you work already ? what if it contains code you want to keep ? send the user to the process of reimporting the code is not acceptable for me either. On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Iâm follower of "new day â new imageâ way :) > > Uko > > On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:48, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Well lately I have been questioning the need for configurations . I am > considering doing only the second port of your blog post. Ask github for > the latest release of my project , download it, unzip it and point pharo to > the unziped directory. Then pharo can periodocally keep probing github to > see if there is a new release and prompt the user for an update. All that > with a single click from the user or even automagically. But I have to > figure out how to do that with Pharo first :) > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> You donât have to. Just keep your configuration (here is a guide how to >> do it >> http://sleepycoders.blogspot.ch/2014/04/how-to-distribute-your-github-pharo…) >> on some monticello repo, and assemble your image on CI. Yes, if someone >> wantâs to modify your project they have to use git, but as far as I know, >> Pharo is slowly moving git way anyway :) >> >> Cheers. >> Uko >> >> On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:17, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> yeah I will also move my latest project to github. I am already more >> active with github than I am in SThub anyway. The one thing that stopped me >> so far is that I don't want to force people to install git to get the >> latest version of my project. SThub is great for this. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Well, thankfully I keep all my latest projects on github, and I have >>> configurations of them in the image. But CI is not working and anyway itâs >>> a strange situation. Is there any other service where I can keep my >>> configurations? Because thatâs the only thing I version with monticello are >>> configurations as I want to use gofer to load my projects. And here >>> reliability is much more important then other features. >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> >>> On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:59, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> oh boy thats looks nasty bug, hope its not permanent. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was on vacation last weak, have I missed anything? Because my >>>> SmaltalkHub user does not have any projects >>>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~YuriyTymchuk (and I had a bunch of them). >>>> >>>> Uko >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Moving to GitHub

by Benjamin

I had jenkins job doing that :) But sadly, my server is now sleeping in a box since I moved out :) Ben On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:53, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Iâm follower of "new day â new imageâ way :) > > Uko > > On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:48, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well lately I have been questioning the need for configurations . I am considering doing only the second port of your blog post. Ask github for the latest release of my project , download it, unzip it and point pharo to the unziped directory. Then pharo can periodocally keep probing github to see if there is a new release and prompt the user for an update. All that with a single click from the user or even automagically. But I have to figure out how to do that with Pharo first :) >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> You donât have to. Just keep your configuration (here is a guide how to do it http://sleepycoders.blogspot.ch/2014/04/how-to-distribute-your-github-pharo…) on some monticello repo, and assemble your image on CI. Yes, if someone wantâs to modify your project they have to use git, but as far as I know, Pharo is slowly moving git way anyway :) >> >> Cheers. >> Uko >> >> On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:17, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> yeah I will also move my latest project to github. I am already more active with github than I am in SThub anyway. The one thing that stopped me so far is that I don't want to force people to install git to get the latest version of my project. SThub is great for this. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >>> Well, thankfully I keep all my latest projects on github, and I have configurations of them in the image. But CI is not working and anyway itâs a strange situation. Is there any other service where I can keep my configurations? Because thatâs the only thing I version with monticello are configurations as I want to use gofer to load my projects. And here reliability is much more important then other features. >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> >>> On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:59, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> oh boy thats looks nasty bug, hope its not permanent. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was on vacation last weak, have I missed anything? Because my SmaltalkHub user does not have any projects http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~YuriyTymchuk (and I had a bunch of them). >>>> >>>> Uko >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Moving to GitHub

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Iâm follower of "new day â new imageâ way :) Uko On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:48, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Well lately I have been questioning the need for configurations . I am considering doing only the second port of your blog post. Ask github for the latest release of my project , download it, unzip it and point pharo to the unziped directory. Then pharo can periodocally keep probing github to see if there is a new release and prompt the user for an update. All that with a single click from the user or even automagically. But I have to figure out how to do that with Pharo first :) > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > You donât have to. Just keep your configuration (here is a guide how to do it http://sleepycoders.blogspot.ch/2014/04/how-to-distribute-your-github-pharo…) on some monticello repo, and assemble your image on CI. Yes, if someone wantâs to modify your project they have to use git, but as far as I know, Pharo is slowly moving git way anyway :) > > Cheers. > Uko > > On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:17, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> yeah I will also move my latest project to github. I am already more active with github than I am in SThub anyway. The one thing that stopped me so far is that I don't want to force people to install git to get the latest version of my project. SThub is great for this. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> Well, thankfully I keep all my latest projects on github, and I have configurations of them in the image. But CI is not working and anyway itâs a strange situation. Is there any other service where I can keep my configurations? Because thatâs the only thing I version with monticello are configurations as I want to use gofer to load my projects. And here reliability is much more important then other features. >> >> Uko >> >> >> On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:59, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> oh boy thats looks nasty bug, hope its not permanent. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was on vacation last weak, have I missed anything? Because my SmaltalkHub user does not have any projects http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~YuriyTymchuk (and I had a bunch of them). >>> >>> Uko >>> >> >> > >

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Moving to GitHub

by kilon alios

Well lately I have been questioning the need for configurations . I am considering doing only the second port of your blog post. Ask github for the latest release of my project , download it, unzip it and point pharo to the unziped directory. Then pharo can periodocally keep probing github to see if there is a new release and prompt the user for an update. All that with a single click from the user or even automagically. But I have to figure out how to do that with Pharo first :) On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > You donât have to. Just keep your configuration (here is a guide how to do > it > http://sleepycoders.blogspot.ch/2014/04/how-to-distribute-your-github-pharo…) > on some monticello repo, and assemble your image on CI. Yes, if someone > wantâs to modify your project they have to use git, but as far as I know, > Pharo is slowly moving git way anyway :) > > Cheers. > Uko > > On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:17, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > yeah I will also move my latest project to github. I am already more > active with github than I am in SThub anyway. The one thing that stopped me > so far is that I don't want to force people to install git to get the > latest version of my project. SThub is great for this. > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> Well, thankfully I keep all my latest projects on github, and I have >> configurations of them in the image. But CI is not working and anyway itâs >> a strange situation. Is there any other service where I can keep my >> configurations? Because thatâs the only thing I version with monticello are >> configurations as I want to use gofer to load my projects. And here >> reliability is much more important then other features. >> >> Uko >> >> >> On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:59, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> oh boy thats looks nasty bug, hope its not permanent. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was on vacation last weak, have I missed anything? Because my >>> SmaltalkHub user does not have any projects >>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~YuriyTymchuk (and I had a bunch of them). >>> >>> Uko >>> >> >> >> > >

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] No projects on StHub?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:21, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:16, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> >> On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:09, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> something is going bad with smalltalkhub, it is working in *really* slow motion, with a lot of packet loss, etc. >> >> I think it just misses Nico badly :). > > :) > >> >>> Iâm trying to figure out what is happening, but not sure how much time it will take. >>> Iâm sorry for the inconveniences :P >> >> Itâs ok (not really ok, but I was worried that everything is working fine, just my projects disappeared). > > in the mean time, I restored your projects (but is still working slow without any obvious reason) Thank you! > > Esteban > >> >> Good luck! >> Uko >> >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On 04 Aug 2014, at 11:03, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, thankfully I keep all my latest projects on github, and I have configurations of them in the image. But CI is not working and anyway itâs a strange situation. Is there any other service where I can keep my configurations? Because thatâs the only thing I version with monticello are configurations as I want to use gofer to load my projects. And here reliability is much more important then other features. >>>> >>>> Uko >>>> >>>> On 04 Aug 2014, at 10:59, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> oh boy thats looks nasty bug, hope its not permanent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was on vacation last weak, have I missed anything? Because my SmaltalkHub user does not have any projects http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~YuriyTymchuk (and I had a bunch of them). >>>>> >>>>> Uko >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Aug. 4, 2014