May 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

by Hilaire Fernandes

Is your build done against not too recent libc et al. ? If so I will be interested to have an archive of it. Thanks Le 14/05/2014 22:28, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > > Keypad works on my linux build. There was a lost commit somewhere and I > fwded the file to Esteban for integration. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

May 15, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

by Hilaire Fernandes

May be I was not clear. I just mean VM compiled on a 64 bits architecture, not porting to 64bits architecture. I remember years ago, a friend, without knowledge on Squeakvm, told me he compiled it on its 64bits host. Was he wrong somewhere? Hilaire Le 14/05/2014 21:43, ClÃ©ment Bera a Ã©crit : > The work to port Pharo to 64 bits has started. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

May 15, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello and a question

by stepharo

Hi rick ANSI is old and can be used with "some salt" Now what I suggest is - send a clear mail not forcing people to go to the bug trackers - probably with some tracks of solution - make sure that we have a nice discussion - so that get a conclusion and we can take action. Stef On 15/5/14 03:17, Rick Kitts wrote: > Hello. Iâm futzing about with Pharo3 and figured I might as well try > to fix some (easy) bugs that are listed in the issue tracker as a way > of playing productively. In particular Iâm looking at 13215 which led, > circuitously, to me reading the ANSI Smalltalk draft (v 1.9 I believe). > > I was wondering if the ANSI draft is at all useful or considered? It > appears the existing impl of Duration doesnât adhere to the draft > entirely well and, well, I was just going to (try to) make it be that > way, more or less. Is that reasonable? > > And, while I have you all here, would it have been more appropriate > for me to ask this question in the issue tracker instead of here? > > TIA for any input, > âRick >

May 15, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Reef status

by stepharo

It would so great! Esteban is too busy but yes yes yes. We have a draft of a chapter but I do not enough knowledge to be efficient On 15/5/14 01:25, Facundo Vozzi wrote: > Hi, > someone is working with Reef and is someone planning to migrate to > Pharo 3? > > Is it working on Pharo 2 ? > > Thanks, > > p.s.: if nobody is migrating it maybe I can try it with Esteban > instructions.

May 15, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New screenshots of Roassal3d

by Tudor Girba

The same exists now for when you are completely horizontal: you see the shape of the city as seen from a side. These are pretty cool things that make for nice demos. Cheers, Doru On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>wrote: > > On 14 May 2014, at 21:47, ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2014-05-14 14:29 GMT+02:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > >> You are missing a very important feature that is available in Code City. >> A 2d option :) >> >> Cheers. >> Uko >> > > A screenshot is not enough ? > > > Itâs more of a joke. The thing is that in modern code city when you put > your camera in a top-most point all structures are rendered flat. This is > made to improve your experience, as some times you want to see things in > just 2d and in 3d everything is a bit distorted because of perspective. Now > main idea is that it was like that at the beginning of presentation, and > then BOOM it becomes 3d. So Iâm joking that Roassalâs stuff is messing cool > 2d transition. > > Uko > > > >> >> On 14 May 2014, at 14:22, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Currently no, but we will work on that. >> > Roassal 3d will be announce and heavily demonstrated at esug >> > >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> >> On 11 May 2014, at 09:07, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> abergel wrote >> >>> we have posted some new picture of Roassal3d. >> >> >> >> Cool! What would be really great would be screencasts showing how to >> make >> >> these cool things for ourselves. Do any exist? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Cheers, >> >> Sean >> >> -- >> >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/New-screenshots-of-Roassal3d-tp4758397p4758667.html >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

May 15, 2014

Build failed in Jenkins: Pharo-2.0 #365

by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr

See <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-2.0/365/> ------------------------------------------ Started by upstream project "Pharo-2.0-Update-Step-0-GitTracker" build number 261 originally caused by: Started by an SCM change [EnvInject] - Loading node environment variables. Building remotely on rmod-mac302.lille.inria.fr in workspace <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-2.0/ws/> Deleting project workspace... done Copied 20 artifacts from "Scripts-download" build number 2310 [Pharo-2.0] $ /bin/sh -xe /var/folders/k0/ljj6f35s7fv8sd6byqvgm9y40000gs/T/hudson1365930328190632429.sh + wget --quiet -O - http://get.pharo.org/20+vm + bash Downloading the latest 20 Image: http://files.pharo.org/image/20/latest.zip Pharo.image Downloading the latest pharoVM: http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/mac/stable.zip pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo Downloading PharoV10.sources: http://files.pharo.org/sources//PharoV10.sources.zip Downloading PharoV20.sources: http://files.pharo.org/sources//PharoV20.sources.zip Downloading PharoV30.sources: http://files.pharo.org/sources//PharoV30.sources.zip Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui + ./pharo Pharo.image update [31m[33m =============================================================================== Notice: 0 new update file(s) processed. =============================================================================== [0m[0m+ zip Pharo.zip Pharo.image Pharo.changes adding: Pharo.image (deflated 58%) adding: Pharo.changes (deflated 89%) + ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion [version] 2.0 #20628 ++ ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion ++ grep --only-matching '[0-9]\{5\}' + VERSION=20628 + ./pharo Pharo.image save Pharo-20628 + zip 20628.zip Pharo-20628.image Pharo-20628.changes adding: Pharo-20628.image (deflated 58%) adding: Pharo-20628.changes (deflated 89%) + cp 20628.zip latest.zip + cp 20628.zip Pharo-Image-2.0-latest.zip + mkdir One + cp Pharo.image Pharo.changes pharo-vm/PharoV20.sources One + bash build-oneclick.sh -i One/Pharo -o Pharo2.0-portable -v 2.0 -t Pharo chmod: illegal option -- - usage: chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-a | +a | =a [i][# [ n]]] mode|entry file ... chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-E | -C | -N | -i | -I] file ... chmod: illegal option -- - usage: chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-a | +a | =a [i][# [ n]]] mode|entry file ... chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-E | -C | -N | -i | -I] file ... chmod: illegal option -- - usage: chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-a | +a | =a [i][# [ n]]] mode|entry file ... chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-E | -C | -N | -i | -I] file ... chmod: illegal option -- - usage: chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-a | +a | =a [i][# [ n]]] mode|entry file ... chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-E | -C | -N | -i | -I] file ... chmod: illegal option -- - usage: chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-a | +a | =a [i][# [ n]]] mode|entry file ... chmod [-fhv] [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-E | -C | -N | -i | -I] file ... --2014-05-15 05:51:26-- http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/Pharo-VM-linux-stable.zip Resolving files.pharo.org... 128.93.162.72 Connecting to files.pharo.org|128.93.162.72|:80... connected. 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âPharo-VM-win-stable.zipâ saved [3324113/3324113] + bash build-platform.sh -i One/Pharo -o Pharo2.0 -v 2.0 -t Pharo -p mac build-platform.sh: sources file not found (<https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-2.0/ws/One/PharoV30.sources)> Build step 'Execute shell' marked build as failure Archiving artifacts Description set: SSH: Current build result is [FAILURE], not going to run.

May 15, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Hello and a question

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Rick! Welcome to Pharo! I think that most of us understand the value of being able to make run on Pharo an application written in ANSI Smalltalk. However, I believe that making Pharo ANSI compliant is not a priority at all. Instead, the highest priority for Pharo that many of us are working hard on is making Pharo suitable for business applications. Alexandre > Le 14-05-2014 Ã 21:17, Rick Kitts <rkitts(a)loudhouse.org> a Ã©crit : > > Hello. Iâm futzing about with Pharo3 and figured I might as well try to fix some (easy) bugs that are listed in the issue tracker as a way of playing productively. In particular Iâm looking at 13215 which led, circuitously, to me reading the ANSI Smalltalk draft (v 1.9 I believe). > > I was wondering if the ANSI draft is at all useful or considered? It appears the existing impl of Duration doesnât adhere to the draft entirely well and, well, I was just going to (try to) make it be that way, more or less. Is that reasonable? > > And, while I have you all here, would it have been more appropriate for me to ask this question in the issue tracker instead of here? > > TIA for any input, > âRick >

May 15, 2014

Hello and a question

by Rick Kitts

Hello. Iâm futzing about with Pharo3 and figured I might as well try to fix some (easy) bugs that are listed in the issue tracker as a way of playing productively. In particular Iâm looking at 13215 which led, circuitously, to me reading the ANSI Smalltalk draft (v 1.9 I believe).Â I was wondering if the ANSI draft is at all useful or considered? It appears the existing impl of Duration doesnât adhere to the draft entirely well and, well, I was just going to (try to) make it be that way, more or less. Is that reasonable? And, while I have you all here, would it have been more appropriate for me to ask this question in the issue tracker instead of here? TIA for any input, âRick

May 15, 2014

Reef status

by Facundo Vozzi

Hi, someone is working with Reef and is someone planning to migrate to Pharo 3? Is it working on Pharo 2 ? Thanks, p.s.: if nobody is migrating it maybe I can try it with Esteban instructions.

May 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] 32 bits and 64 bits VM

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 14 May 2014, at 22:28, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:43 PM, ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > The work to port Pharo to 64 bits has started. > > The new memory manager Spur will be ported to Pharo 4 alpha next week and it supports 64 bits (this is fresh news, it has been decided 3 hours ago). This was one of the main issue for the 64 bits port. > > Now the status is to finish to port the memory manager and to compile the VM for 64 bits. There is a bit a debugging to do as even if the 64bits Spur memory manager is implemented it has never been debugged. In addition, some plugins are 32 bits dependent and that needs to be fixed. > > At this point, which should be in the late summer if Esteban and Eliot are very productive, we should have a 64 bits stack VM. > > Then there are 2 remaining points, one is to port the JIT to support x86_64 bits and the other is to add faster floating pointer in 64 bits. Adding fast floating pointer is important as 64bits images are typically 30% slower than 32bits ones due to Pharo computation being mainly pointers computation, and that manipulating 64 bits is more expensive than 32 bits. > > At this point, which is probably around christmas if everything goes well, we should have a 64bits Cog VM. > > Now this is the optimistic planning. It may be that we have the 64 bits Stack VM for Christmas and the 64 bits Cog VM in a year. It depends if you prefer the optimistic or the pessimistic planning. > > > > Right now, people have issue with 64bits vs 32bits in Linux (I saw several reports on the mailing list) but it seems it is not a problem in Windows and Mac. Microsoft and Apple may be providing better support for 32 bits. I don't know. > > Keypad works on my linux build. There was a lost commit somewhere and I fwded the file to Esteban for integration. and is integrated but still not promoted to stable (I think it will be next week). In the mean time, vmLatest will work. Esteban > > Phil > > > > > I don't know about the working keypad. Perhaps someone more aware could help. > > > 2014-05-14 21:08 GMT+02:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: > Yesterday my boss asked me to see DrGeo on his Ununtu 14.04LTS 64 bits > machine. I could not get it working, 32 bits compatibility package to > run 32bits application on 64bits system is gone, you have to find out > manually the needed 32 bits libs and install it. > > Now I don't want to face this situation anymore, I want to provide with > DrGeo a VM for each word size, compiled with not recent libc et al. and > a working keypad. It is the bare minimum to not look ridiculous. > By the way, the situation would have been equally ridiculous showing Pharo3. > > Now, I wonder, how is deal the 32bits/64bits situation on Windows and > Mac OSX? > > Hilaire > > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > > >

May 14, 2014