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Re: [Pharo-dev] New Proposal for new Pharo website - About page (with example website)

by kilon alios

Ok I am finished with the website draft , this is my third and last web page dedicated to the Debugger, Live Coding, Library and the Enviroment . You may use this content as you may see fit . It was Fun :) http://thekilon.wix.com/pharo-about#!enviroment/c1sv8 On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:11 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If I put the language last then I would mislead people into thinking its > something like Emacs. In this case an IDE that also happens to have a > programming language. It will only add to the confusion. > > I have recommended Pharo to several people their complaints were very > similar a) the gui looks weird / ugly b) documentation does not look > good/dated . As a matter of fact the language is one the things people > liked, together with live code of course. > > I think the language is one of the very strong points of Pharo and it > should be promoted. It also makes the goal of Pharo clear, the language > comes first. > > But if others agree to put the language last, I have no issue its our > website , the majority should decide. > > I don't want to go into the whole debate of whether Pharo is this kind of > Smalltalk or the other kind of Smalltalk. Again if Pharo developers decide > on what kinda of Smalltalk Pharo is I am more than happy to put that into > the description. But to be frank with you I find the description of the old > site too vague for my taste and very confusing. > > I want a description that is specific, clear and foremost practical. > > "Immersive" does not mean anything to me, "open" again not very clear (do > you mean open source ?), "live" ? sorry I dont understand what is live ? > These are the questions people will ask when they see the description. > > Please approach this from the side of a very sceptical yet curious coder > that does not share the same excitement and love as you and me about > Pharo. If he read a bunch of vague words its much more likely to be put off > a lot more than seeing the very efficient and practical Smalltalk syntax. > > I also dont believe the ~20% of Ruby, how much stuff Ruby has that Pharo > does not ? I rather not compete with other languages and make people see > Pharo as elitist. > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>wrote: > >> kilon alios wrote >> > Class library section as third section sounds excellent idea, please if >> > you >> > can give me a paragraph or anyone with experience on this. I try to add >> > anything I know about Pharo but unfortunately there is still much I >> don't >> > know. >> >> I think it's important to introduce the concepts in a very specific order, >> most importantly with the language last (the syntax was always the least >> interesting thing about Smalltalk, and it addresses concerns about turning >> people off right off the bat, without hiding anything) (see >> http://forum.world.st/Pharo-is-Smalltalk-and-Not-tp4757342p4757348.html) >> 1. a [pick 2 or 3 of: dynamic, open, immersive, live] computing >> environment >> (like an IDE and OS rolled into one) >> 2. [appropriate adjectives] core libraries >> 3. a dialect of the Smalltalk programming language >> >> The immersive environment of live objects is the most compelling - from a >> programming standpoint, sending someone a serialized debug session, >> customizing the world menu, the simplicity of adding settings, all in a >> live, dynamic way; that you have a whole computer (OS + IDE + libraries) >> done with ~20% of the LOC of Ruby 1.9 (without *any* tools!) and ~0.5% of >> the LOC of Windows Vista; this is the blue plane idea that Smalltalk took >> on >> >> >> >> ----- >> Cheers, >> Sean >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/New-Proposal-for-new-Pharo-website-About-page-with-ex… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >

May 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fast way to load package form github

by Max Leske

On 28.04.2014, at 11:37, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you both for the details! > > Haha, I understand if you prefere to be on your own for the bindings (at least while it's still in construction). > Thierry, If you need some feedback for the merge conflict resolution, I'll be glad to help. Just ask :) > > Max, I don't know how is your master thesis schedule organized but if you're interested, we can maybe try to allocate a summer of code with the libgit2 integration? Weâre past the deadline already, arenât we? > > Cheers, > Francois > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 28.04.2014, at 10:42, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sounds *really* good! >> >> Do you have a time goal for this integration (even rough estimate)? >> Sorry if this sound stupid but are we far from an integration with, say, the "Changes" tool? >> >> If you need some help somewhere (money or manpower), I'm sure there are quite a few people interesting in donating for this (Ta MÃ¨re is). > > Itâs on the way but we still have some way to go. Iâll be off the grid for the next 4 weeks and after that Iâll have to prepare for my exams. Still, I hope that I can show a prototype for using github around mid June (Iâm pessimistic on purpose here). BTW: push and fetch via SSH / HTTPS already work (but you donât want to see the codeâ¦). > > Iâm glad youâre so enthusiastic but itâs a complex project and I donât want to rush it (itâs also part of my masterâs thesis btw). > > Iâm posting updates from time to time with âFileSystem-Git update Xâ or similar in the subject if you want to follow. Thereâs also a dedicated mailing list: smalltalk-git(a)googlegroups.com > > To answer your questions: > - no, there is no concrete plan other than âships with Pharo4â (I hopeâ¦) > - tool integration should be pretty straight forward once the bindings work. But I really canât give you a date. > > As soon as thereâs stuff that can be easily partitioned into workable chunks Iâll take to the mailing list. But I want to do the bindinds first, preferably on my own (requires a lot of special knowledge about git / libgit2 / NativeBoost). But thanks for the offer anyway. Much appreciated! > > Cheers, > Max > > >> >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:32 PM, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> Hi FranÃ§ois, >> >> with gitfiletree://, there isn't any real place describing a multi-developper workflow because it is designed to work along existing workflows... as much as possible. >> >> In short, you work like you used to do in git, and gitfiletree ensures that the commit are properly made, that you have access to your development history (your true development history: the git one), and that pushes and pulls are made as painless as possible. >> >> After, you just manage your git the way you like it. Branches, merging, one branch per developper, whatever: gitfiletree:// will ensure that what you see inside Pharo is what you have done in git, and that what you do in Pharo is properly committed to git. >> >> Now, the bad thing: git merge conflicts :( When merging packages under git, some files will regularly(allways :() conflict: the version history of the package and the method properties. Whatever way you resolve those conflicts, gitfiletree:// will cope because it never reads them, but, still, having conflicts in git isn't cool. >> >> We have a better integration coming, through Max Leske work on integrating libgit to Pharo, and we will be able to solve some of the issues above ;) >> >> Thierry >> >> >> De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org] de la part de FranÃ§ois Stephany [tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com] >> >> EnvoyÃ© : samedi 26 avril 2014 19:06 >> Ã : Pharo Development List >> Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Fast way to load package form github >> >> I'm a bit lost of what is currently possible to do with git in Pharo. Is there a place where you describe your workflow in a multi-developer environment? >> >> We currently use git flow[1] for our iOS, Android and Rails apps. We would love to use the same for Pharo. What we are doing now is using a filetree repository under a src/ directory sitting next to the image. We use versionner to save all our packages in the filetree tree and then we `git commit/push`. >> >> It was working fine while I was alone but we are now two developers working on this and I do not feel confident about this flow; merging filetree tree in CLI doesn't sound like a good idea. probably not be practical. >> >> The second developer is working on this since yesterday so we haven't yet decided how we gonna handle this. >> >> I would love to hear from people working with git and Pharo. >> >> >> [1] http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:46 PM, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> Yuri, >> >> pure filetree will only allow you access to the latest version (HEAD) of the repository (and will only match if you load that precise version number as stored in the package metadata or if you don't specify a version number). You have to change the commit ID (and branch) via git clone, git checkout and git checkout -b before. >> >> github:// urls may be able to select a specific commit ID, but I don't know how. You can select the branch, however. Again, if you specify a version number for your package with a github:// url, the metadata of your package has to agree with you or it will refuse to load (you are able to see only the latest version of the package). >> >> gitfiletree:// urls allows you to select the branch and any version visible in the git history. Read-only gitfiletree:// urls reduce the git history to one commit, so all versions are listed as .1. (Note that gitfiletree:// urls with https are read-only). >> >> That said, if you found a way to refer a specific commit via github://, I'd really like to know how :) >> >> Thierry >> ________________________________________ >> De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org] de la part de Yuriy Tymchuk [yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com] >> EnvoyÃ© : samedi 26 avril 2014 12:11 >> Ã : Pharo Development List >> Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Fast way to load package form github >> >> Do you know how to specify versions with pure filetree? I know that I can specify commit SHA or branch in URL, but can I somehow redefine version for a version definition? >> >> Uko >> >> On 26 Apr 2014, at 11:06, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >> > Yuri, >> > >> > I think the best would be a github:// url in a configuration. >> > >> > Shortest is something like: >> > >> > Gofer new >> > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Yuri/ProjectOfYuri/main/'; >> > configurationOf: 'ProjectOfYuri'; >> > loadStable >> > >> > (with the github:// url inside ConfigurationOfProjectOfYuri) >> > >> > Note that I have added back https access to github in gitfiletree, but, still, it implies OSProcess and git command line access (but no need to register on github.com) >> > >> > Thierry >> > ________________________________________ >> > De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org] de la part de Yuriy Tymchuk [yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com] >> > EnvoyÃ© : samedi 26 avril 2014 09:34 >> > Ã : Pharo Development List >> > Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Fast way to load package form github >> > >> > Yes, but this requires user to clone the repository, this is not as fast as just Gofer with Monticello. I know that there is a support for github:// URIs in Metacello, but as far as I remember they donât work in Gofer. >> > >> > Uko >> > >> > On 26 Apr 2014, at 09:25, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> > >> >> Gofer with a filetree:// URL as package ? >> >> >> >> Using the Monticello UI Tool you can just add a repo, select filetree as type and load any package. >> >> >> >> On 26 Apr 2014, at 09:21, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi guys, sorry if there was already this question, but is there a fast way to load a package from github (saved with filetree)? Iâm looking for some way to tell people: execute âthisâ and you will have my package in your image. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers >> >>> Uko >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >

May 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo 3 minor issue

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13240/Spec-buttons-DNU-on-right-click On 03 May 2014, at 09:54, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > That is apparently a Spec problem (i.e. all buttons created with Spec react like this): > > ButtonModel new > label: 'Right-click Me'; > action: [ self inform: 'Clicked !' ]; > openWithSpec > > CC'ing to Pharo dev. We probably have to turn this into an bug tracker issue. > > Thanks for reporting. > > On 03 May 2014, at 03:11, S. Garth Holland <steve9571952(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, started looking a Pharo again. I was going to load Iliad from the Configuration browser. The window has two buttons: "Install Stable Configuration" and "Load Configuration". I was not sure why I would want to just load the configuration. This link provided some insight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se21CH4BfyE&feature=youtu.be >> >> I did try right clicking on the buttons to get some guidance but that gave me a walkback. >> >> TIA, Garth >> >> >> BTW, I strongly recommend short well titled screen-casts as a precursor to real documentation. >> >> >> Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 10:28:35 +0200 >> From: giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com >> To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org >> CC: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 3 minor issue >> >> it usually happens that way. You test everything and miss something obvious... >> >> ciao >> >> giorgio >> >> >> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> thanks for reporting, I will look at it (super weird that it did not arise before :( ) >> >> Esteban >> >> On 30 Apr 2014, at 20:54, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> started looking at Pharo after many years. >>> First of all, you all did an awesome works, thank you! >>> There is a small problems on System Browser >>> open image >>> open system browser >>> choose one class >>> select group >>> The class side checkbox is enabled, if you check it, you get a wall bak . >>> Giorgio >>> >>> <Screen Shot 2014-04-30 at 20.42.03.jpg> >> >> >> >> <PharoScreenshot.png> >

May 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo 3 minor issue

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

That is apparently a Spec problem (i.e. all buttons created with Spec react like this): ButtonModel new label: 'Right-click Me'; action: [ self inform: 'Clicked !' ]; openWithSpec CC'ing to Pharo dev. We probably have to turn this into an bug tracker issue. Thanks for reporting. On 03 May 2014, at 03:11, S. Garth Holland <steve9571952(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, started looking a Pharo again. I was going to load Iliad from the Configuration browser. The window has two buttons: "Install Stable Configuration" and "Load Configuration". I was not sure why I would want to just load the configuration. This link provided some insight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se21CH4BfyE&feature=youtu.be > > I did try right clicking on the buttons to get some guidance but that gave me a walkback. > > TIA, Garth > > > BTW, I strongly recommend short well titled screen-casts as a precursor to real documentation. > > > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 10:28:35 +0200 > From: giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > CC: pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 3 minor issue > > it usually happens that way. You test everything and miss something obvious... > > ciao > > giorgio > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > thanks for reporting, I will look at it (super weird that it did not arise before :( ) > > Esteban > > On 30 Apr 2014, at 20:54, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > started looking at Pharo after many years. > > First of all, you all did an awesome works, thank you! > > There is a small problems on System Browser > > open image > > open system browser > > choose one class > > select group > > The class side checkbox is enabled, if you check it, you get a wall bak . > > Giorgio > > > > <Screen Shot 2014-04-30 at 20.42.03.jpg> > > > > <PharoScreenshot.png>

May 3, 2014

Slice 13239: documented some methods

by Alexandre Bergel

hi! I have committed Slide 13239 in the 30inbox. It contains some comments for RPackage. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 2, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] some unordered FAQ

by Sergi Reyner

2014-05-02 18:35 GMT+01:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > would be nice to collect some FAQ that newcomers that want to use Pharo > for their business could ask. And of course start to answer them (code, > links to books...) ;-) > :iapprove: Cheers, Sergi

May 2, 2014

some unordered FAQ

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, would be nice to collect some FAQ that newcomers that want to use Pharo for their business could ask. And of course start to answer them (code, links to books...) ;-) How can I connect to a MySQL/MariaDB database and execute SQL commands safely without worrying about SQL injection? How to do that with PostgreSQL, Oracle and MS SQL? Iâm using 32bit/64bit system. How can I connect to NoSQL databases (MongoDB, Couchbase, Riak)? Iâm using 32bit/64bit system. Is there an OODB for Pharo? Are there some options for ORM? How can I fork more Pharo images on the host OS level and communicate between them? How can I read line from STDIN? How can I write to STDOUT? How can I read and write data from/to a serial port? How do I delete a file? How do I copy a file? How do I read and write binary data? How do I access the serial (RS232) port? How can I do code coverage analysis of my project? How do I send e-mail? How do I send e-mail in HTML format and with attached files? How can I serialize objects to a binary form? How can I parse XML file? How can I parse HTML file? How can I generate random numbers? What platform-independent GUI toolkits (GTK+, Qt, wxWidgets...) have a binding for Pharo? How can I create an application with host OS native UI? How can I use OpenGL? How can I create binding for an external C/C++ library? Is there an automatic generator for external C/C++ libraries? How to do a Windows installer for Pharo applications? How to create a headless application on Windows and Mac OSX? Can I execute a Smalltalk code from C? How C I generate a bar/QR code? How can I generate a PDF with non-ASCII characters and ebedded fonts? How can I print from Pharo? How can I create an application with web interface? How can I serve static files from Pharo? Can I use Git for my Pharo projects? Can I develop applications for Android in Pharo? Can I develop applications for iOS in Pharo? Can I use DSA, SHA-1, SHA-2? How can I access to certificates registered in the host OS? Are there some interfaces to payment systems? How can I create image without development tools? Can I use VIM or Emacs to edit my code? How can I do Unicode normalization?

May 2, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] R: [Screencast] request for review

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I see them alright: It probably depends on your settings somehow ... On 02 May 2014, at 18:24, Laurent Laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It seems youtube does not process them... Works on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/93536083 > > I don't really like the youtube player.... > > Laurent > >> >> What is with the html tags <i>Morphic</i> not being processed and showing up raw in the captions ? >> cheers -ben >> >> >> > >

May 2, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] R: [Screencast] request for review

by Laurent Laffont

It seems youtube does not process them... Works on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/93536083 I don't really like the youtube player.... Laurent > > What is with the html tags <i>Morphic</i> not being processed and showing up raw in the captions ? > cheers -ben > > >

May 2, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] R: [Screencast] request for review

by Ben Coman

May 2, 2014