March 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on Windows

by Nicolai Hess

I would need a way to define the proxy settings. Otherwise I can not access any online resource. (tested with the plain image, not with the pharo_installer.exe. I don't know if the network access works if I use the installer.) 2014-01-03 17:21 GMT+01:00 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > I've just made an executable file for installing Pharo on Windows (in > program files, with a shortcut in the Start menu...). Please try > it and report problems: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/lastSu… > > Best, > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > >

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3.0 and Halos: very annoying to work with

by phil＠highoctane.be

I see what's been going on. I was Ctrl-Shift-Clicking in Windows, kind of muscle memory from OSX I guess. Well, sorry... I now know yet another menu then :-) Phil Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>wrote: > philippeback wrote > > Now, we get the new menu when doing the special clicking (e.g. > > Shift-Alt-Click in Windows, Cmd-Shift Click in OSX). > > On what are you clicking when the menu appears? Halos in 30792 on Mac works > fine for me cycling in both directions when I click on several different > Nautilus panes. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo3-0-and-Halos-very-annoying-to-work-with-tp47482… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] TWM and 3.0: icons/themes, UpdatingMenuMorph

by phil＠highoctane.be

I guess I loaded the configuration and moved from there. I'll put the missing bits in. Phil On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>wrote: > philippeback wrote > > I am trying to get TWM to work in 3.0 > > ... > > Now, things do load but there is the deprecation warnings about the way > > icons are handled. > > FYI, checking the repo, I notice I had already fixed the icon stuff in > TWM-GUI-SeanDeNigris.12, but you seem to have based your work on > TWM-GUI-SeanDeNigris.9, and TWM-GUI-PhilippeBack.14 depends on > TWM-GUI-PhilippeBack.(10 to: 13) which are not in the stub repo. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/TWM-and-3-0-icons-themes-UpdatingMenuMorph-tp4747979p… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

by Tudor Girba

Hi Alex, On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Wow!!!!! > > Screenshots are (too) small? > They are actually in full resolution, but the theme makes them fit the column, and the blog engine does not offer an enlarge preview :(. You can however, simply zoom the page. Hey people! Use the like button and enter a comment :-) > > We should be able to do the same thing for DBPedia. > Exactly. I would love to get some case studies in this direction. The idea of the case study would be not to present the end picture (if it's a visualization) but the way to get to it. For example, in the Postgres video, the final picture is not particularly exciting, but the speed with which you can get to it once you know the platform is :). Cheers, Doru Alexandre > > > On Mar 9, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the interest. > > > > I added now a new blog post in which I detail an investigation scenario > of a Postgres DB with the GTInspector: > > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… > > > > The post includes a video that kind of gets you through the most > important parts: > > - use the playground > > - query the DB and preview the results through dedicated presentations > > - navigate through objects and code to learn the API > > - build a visualization in place and continue exploration > > - extend the inspector with a dedicated presentation > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:48 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > wrote: > > Doru, > > > > Where to look on your blog for a view on the essentials of this? I see > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/making-the-pharo-settings-browser-ope… example. A video? > > > > I look at the blog and vids but it is a bit hard to find a basic demo to > grasp things. > > > > TIA > > Phil > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > wrote: > > I hope not. What are we trying to optimize? > > > > If you look closely at the GT work, you might notice that it is not just > a tool, it's a whole new philosophy for coding. The EyeInspector picked > only one aspect out of a whole. > > > > One high goal is to change programming such that the inspector + > debugger to capture most of the coding experience. This is what live means. > Right now, in the default Pharo we only code small things in the debugger > and nothing in the inspector. We work on the idea of a moldable IDE that > will change all that. > > > > Let's look at some facts. Right now, in my image I have 75 different > extensions for GTInspector. And the total amount of lines of code has > barely passed 1000 LOC (including all utility code). These are not just > independent views, but they are combinable. The amount of use cases > supported span a wide range: querying source code, visualizing performance, > navigating file system, querying DB, and more (read the posts from > humane-assessment.com for hints in this direction). > > > > We programmed most of these extensions from within the inspector both > because it's fun and because it's significantly more productive. And I am > not the only one. This power is not serendipity, it's by design. And we > only started to untap this potential. > > > > There is still a long way for the concept of inspector and I believe > there is a large payoff in it, too. > > > > Optimizing for a small thing now should not be the way to go :) > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > Well I would hope that some kind of convergence would be possible in the > future. Maybe some kind of abstract meta description like magritte, that > different tools can use. > > > > On 07 Mar 2014, at 16:43, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone. > > > > > > This day I've attended Moose dojo and I'm pretty impressed with the > possibilities of GTInspector. The one thing that I've noticed is that both > GTInspactor and EyeInspector support custom inspections for objects. I'm > wandering if we can come up with a common protocol to give an object > specific infector view, and not develop a separate thing for each inspector. > > > > > > Uko > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3.0 and Halos: very annoying to work with

by Tudor Girba

Halos are great, but in the current implementation they are rather poor when you want to select a specific submorph. A different mechanism is offered by the GTInspector by means of two presentations: submorphs and preview. Take a look: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/custom-morph-screenshot-with-gtinspec… Cheers, Doru On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>wrote: > philippeback wrote > > Now, we get the new menu when doing the special clicking (e.g. > > Shift-Alt-Click in Windows, Cmd-Shift Click in OSX). > > On what are you clicking when the menu appears? Halos in 30792 on Mac works > fine for me cycling in both directions when I click on several different > Nautilus panes. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo3-0-and-Halos-very-annoying-to-work-with-tp47482… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Tiling Window Manager in 3.0: working but still issues with WorldMorph

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > There is the World management icon which is still there and it looks like > it can create worlds but switching between them just breaks havoc. Can you clarify "havoc" a bit? I just get a PasteUpMorph DNU related to the addition of WorldMorph. Changing PasteUpMorph -> WorldMorph fixes that and I'm able to create an addition world. When changing between, there is something wrong with display updating. If I "restore display" after switching, it seems to work normally. No more time right now, I'll take another look asap... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Tiling-Window-Manager-in-3-0-working-but-still-issues… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] TWM and 3.0: icons/themes, UpdatingMenuMorph

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > I am trying to get TWM to work in 3.0 > ... > Now, things do load but there is the deprecation warnings about the way > icons are handled. FYI, checking the repo, I notice I had already fixed the icon stuff in TWM-GUI-SeanDeNigris.12, but you seem to have based your work on TWM-GUI-SeanDeNigris.9, and TWM-GUI-PhilippeBack.14 depends on TWM-GUI-PhilippeBack.(10 to: 13) which are not in the stub repo. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/TWM-and-3-0-icons-themes-UpdatingMenuMorph-tp4747979p… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo3.0 and Halos: very annoying to work with

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > Now, we get the new menu when doing the special clicking (e.g. > Shift-Alt-Click in Windows, Cmd-Shift Click in OSX). On what are you clicking when the menu appears? Halos in 30792 on Mac works fine for me cycling in both directions when I click on several different Nautilus panes. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo3-0-and-Halos-very-annoying-to-work-with-tp47482… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Tiling Window Manager in 3.0: working but still issues with WorldMorph

by Sean P. DeNigris

philippeback wrote > There is the World management icon which is still there and it looks like > it can create worlds but switching between them just breaks havoc. > > Maybe should we just remove that feature from TWM as 3.0 doesn't seem to > be > multiworld friendly. Thanks for getting it running! Give me a few days to look into it before we consider removing. I find the feature immensely valuable. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Tiling-Window-Manager-in-3-0-working-but-still-issues… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

by Alexandre Bergel

Wow!!!!! Screenshots are (too) small? Hey people! Use the like button and enter a comment :-) We should be able to do the same thing for DBPedia. Alexandre On Mar 9, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Thanks for the interest. > > I added now a new blog post in which I detail an investigation scenario of a Postgres DB with the GTInspector: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… > > The post includes a video that kind of gets you through the most important parts: > - use the playground > - query the DB and preview the results through dedicated presentations > - navigate through objects and code to learn the API > - build a visualization in place and continue exploration > - extend the inspector with a dedicated presentation > > Please let me know what you think. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:48 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Doru, > > Where to look on your blog for a view on the essentials of this? I see http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/making-the-pharo-settings-browser-ope… for example. A video? > > I look at the blog and vids but it is a bit hard to find a basic demo to grasp things. > > TIA > Phil > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I hope not. What are we trying to optimize? > > If you look closely at the GT work, you might notice that it is not just a tool, it's a whole new philosophy for coding. The EyeInspector picked only one aspect out of a whole. > > One high goal is to change programming such that the inspector + debugger to capture most of the coding experience. This is what live means. Right now, in the default Pharo we only code small things in the debugger and nothing in the inspector. We work on the idea of a moldable IDE that will change all that. > > Let's look at some facts. Right now, in my image I have 75 different extensions for GTInspector. And the total amount of lines of code has barely passed 1000 LOC (including all utility code). These are not just independent views, but they are combinable. The amount of use cases supported span a wide range: querying source code, visualizing performance, navigating file system, querying DB, and more (read the posts from humane-assessment.com for hints in this direction). > > We programmed most of these extensions from within the inspector both because it's fun and because it's significantly more productive. And I am not the only one. This power is not serendipity, it's by design. And we only started to untap this potential. > > There is still a long way for the concept of inspector and I believe there is a large payoff in it, too. > > Optimizing for a small thing now should not be the way to go :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Well I would hope that some kind of convergence would be possible in the future. Maybe some kind of abstract meta description like magritte, that different tools can use. > > On 07 Mar 2014, at 16:43, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Hi everyone. > > > > This day Iâve attended Moose dojo and Iâm pretty impressed with the possibilities of GTInspector. The one thing that Iâve noticed is that both GTInspactor and EyeInspector support custom inspections for objects. Iâm wandering if we can come up with a common protocol to give an object specific infector view, and not develop a separate thing for each inspector. > > > > Uko > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 10, 2014