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Compile Pharo VM on 64-bit CentOS

by Pavel Krivanek

Cent0S 6.5 (and others) cannot use latest VM from get.pharo.org because of different glibc version. So you have to compile the VM on your own. This is a (probably incomplete) set of the packages you will need for this task on 64-bit system: alsa-lib-devel.i686 libX11-devel.i686 libICE-devel.i686 libSM-devel.i686 freetype-devel.i686 mesa-libGL-devel.i686 libstdc++-devel.i686 glibc-devel .i686 openssl-devel.i686 Cheers -- Pavel

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] understanding postgresv2

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 03 Mar 2014, at 09:48, FranÃ§ois Stephany <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Which one would you recommend? V2 or V3? > As I understand it, those version numbers refer to the PG Protocol version, it is not the actual version of the library, right? As I said, I did not (yet) test the V3 stuff. V2/V3 does indeed refer to the protocol level. From a technical standpoint the V3 is better, more efficient. On the other hand, PostgresV2 is good enough and has seen lots of usage. PostgresV3 is a bit strange in that respect: it exists and is OS, but there is nobody pushing it... > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Doru, > > Note that there is also the newer > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PostgresV3.html > > which implements a more recent, incompatible version of the wire protocol between the client and server. I haven't tested it though, and I don't know if it is compatible at the higher level. > > Sven > > On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:34, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to understand how PostgresV2 is implemented because I would like to build some inspector support for it, and I encounter a couple of issues. In case anyone knows the answer, it would speed up my effort: > > > > - Why is result an instance variable in PGConnection? Making it a variable always returns the same object when executing a query and that is a bit of a pain. > > > > - Why does the PGResult have the possibility of holding multiple PGResultSets? When is it possible to have multiple at the same time? (when you execute a query, the result is being initialized) > > > > - When running something like > > connection execute: 'select * from ...' > > the PGResultSet already includes all rows of the query. Is it not possible to have a stream-like functionality in which the actual rows are retrieved only on demand? (a similar functionality exists in DBXTalk) > > > > - What is the difference between PGAsciiRow and PGDataRow? > > > > Doru > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > >

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] understanding postgresv2

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

Which one would you recommend? V2 or V3? As I understand it, those version numbers refer to the PG Protocol version, it is not the actual version of the library, right? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Doru, > > Note that there is also the newer > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PostgresV3.html > > which implements a more recent, incompatible version of the wire protocol > between the client and server. I haven't tested it though, and I don't know > if it is compatible at the higher level. > > Sven > > On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:34, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to understand how PostgresV2 is implemented because I would > like to build some inspector support for it, and I encounter a couple of > issues. In case anyone knows the answer, it would speed up my effort: > > > > - Why is result an instance variable in PGConnection? Making it a > variable always returns the same object when executing a query and that is > a bit of a pain. > > > > - Why does the PGResult have the possibility of holding multiple > PGResultSets? When is it possible to have multiple at the same time? (when > you execute a query, the result is being initialized) > > > > - When running something like > > connection execute: 'select * from ...' > > the PGResultSet already includes all rows of the query. Is it not > possible to have a stream-like functionality in which the actual rows are > retrieved only on demand? (a similar functionality exists in DBXTalk) > > > > - What is the difference between PGAsciiRow and PGDataRow? > > > > Doru > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > >

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] How can I tell the compiler to accept assignment as underscore?

by ClÃ©ment Bera

Well this is a parser problem. The parser should mark as an assignment AST node the code with the underscore and everything would work fine. Now I don't really understand RBParser ... 2014-03-03 7:53 GMT+01:00 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: > Hi > > How can I tell the compiler to accept assignment as underscore? > I could not find a setting for that? > Would be nice to have that and turn them automatically into := > Now to load all code what should I do? > Do it with emacs :( > > > Stef > >

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] hashMultiply

by phil＠highoctane.be

I got it working and kicked the tires a bit. It would be useful to have such a tool in Pharo :-) Now, time to dig. Phil On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Andres Valloud < avalloud(a)smalltalk.comcastbiz.net> wrote: > Once the code is loaded, from the Tools menu use Hash Analysis Tool. > There's a manual below, and also the Fundamentals book has a somewhat in > depth discussion on how it works. > > ftp://sqrmax.us.to/pub/Smalltalk/Papers/Hash%20Analysis%20Tool.pdf > > On 3/2/14 15:06 , phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> I have found the tools in the Cincom public repo. >> >> Now, I have to see how this works in VW, I am not that proficient with it. >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:55 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be >> <mailto:phil@highoctane.be> <phil(a)highoctane.be >> <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>> wrote: >> >> Andres, >> >> Thanks for the insights. >> >> hash quality is indeed an key factor. At least, my mind is somewhat >> grasping this hashing field a bit better. >> >> I'll have a look at the tools, I haven't used them yet. >> >> And a shot at the ASM version with NativeBoost in Pharo. >> >> For what occurs in modern CPUs, well, no. Surprising to see that a >> mul would be faster than a shr or shl. How comes? >> I used to be ok with these things when I was writing demoscene code >> a loong time ago but I'd need an extremely serious refresh. >> >> As a side note, there is a huge uptake in the >> BigData/mapreduce/hadoop environment where Smalltalk is sorely >> absent. Scala seems to fill the void on the JVM. >> There hashing is quite key, to remap all of the mapping phase >> results to the reduce nodes. I am surprised to see that Smalltalk >> vendors haven't jumped in that space. >> >> Phil >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Andres Valloud >> <avalloud(a)smalltalk.comcastbiz.net >> <mailto:avalloud@smalltalk.comcastbiz.net>> wrote: >> >> Hello... >> >> On 2/25/14 1:17 , phil(a)highoctane.be <mailto:phil@highoctane.be> >> wrote: >> >> I am currently reading through the Hashing in Smalltalk book >> (http://www.lulu.com/shop/__andres-valloud/hashing-in-__ >> smalltalk-theory-and-practice/__paperback/product-3788892.html >> <http://www.lulu.com/shop/andres-valloud/hashing-in- >> smalltalk-theory-and-practice/paperback/product-3788892.html>__) >> and, my head hurting notwithstanding, there are indeed a ton >> of gems in >> this system. As he mentions, doing the exercises brings a >> lot of extra :-) >> >> >> :) thank you. >> >> When going to 64-bit, and with the new ObjectMemory scheme, >> I guess a >> couple of identity hashing functions will come under scrutiny. >> >> e.g. >> >> SmallInteger>>hashMultiply >> | low | >> >> low := self bitAnd: 16383. >> ^(16r260D * low + ((16r260D * (self bitShift: -14) + >> (16r0065 * low) >> bitAnd: 16383) * 16384)) >> bitAnd: 16r0FFFFFFF >> >> >> which will need some more bits. >> >> >> IMO it's not clear that SmallInteger>>identityHash should be >> implemented that way. Finding a permutation of the small >> integers that also behaves like a good quality hash function and >> evaluates quickly (in significantly less time and complexity >> than, say, Bob Jenkins' lookup3) would be a really interesting >> research project. I don't know if it's possible. If no such >> thing exists, then getting at least some rough idea of what's >> the minimum necessary complexity for such hash functions would >> be valuable. >> >> Looking at hashMultiply as a non-identity hash function, one >> would start having problems when significantly more than 2^28 >> objects are stored in a single hashed collection. 2^28 objects >> with e.g. 12 bytes per header and a minimum of one instance >> variable (so the hash value isn't a instance-constant) stored in >> a hashed collection requires more than 4gb, so that is clearly a >> 64 bit image problem. In 64 bits, 2^28 objects with e.g. 16 >> bytes per header and a minimum of one instance variable each is >> already 6gb, and a minimum of 8gb with the hashed collection >> itself. >> >> Because of these figures, I'd think improving the implementation >> of hashed collections takes priority over adding more >> non-identity hash function bits (as long as the existing hash >> values are of good quality). >> >> Did you look at the Hash Analysis Tool I wrote? It's in the >> Cincom public Store repository. It comes in two bundles: Hash >> Analysis Tool, and Hash Analysis Tool - Extensions. With >> everything loaded, the tool comes with 300+ hash functions and >> 100+ data sets out of the box. The code is MIT. >> >> I had a look at how it was done in VisualWorks; >> >> >> The implementation of hashMultiply, yes. Note however that >> SmallInteger>>hash is ^self. >> >> hashMultiply >> "Multiply the receiver by 16r0019660D mod 2^28 >> without using large integer arithmetic for speed. >> The constant is a generator of the multiplicative >> subgroup of Z_2^30, see Knuth's TAOCP vol 2." >> <primitive: 1747> >> | low14Bits | >> low14Bits := self bitAnd: 16r3FFF. >> ^16384 >> * (16r260D * (self bitShift: -14) + (16r0065 * low14Bits) >> bitAnd: 16r3FFF) >> + (16r260D * low14Bits) bitAnd: 16rFFFFFFF >> >> The hashing book version has: >> >> multiplication >> "Computes self times 1664525 mod 2^38 while avoiding >> overflow into a >> large integer by making the multiplication into two 14 bits >> chunks. Do >> not use any division or modulo operation." >> | lowBits highBits| >> >> lowBits := self bitAnd: 16r3FFF. >> highBits := self bitShift: -14. >> ^(lowBits * 16r260D) >> + (((lowBits * 16r0065) bitAnd: 16r3FFF) bitShift: 14) >> + (((highBits * 16r260D) bitAnd: 16r3FFF) bitShift: 14) >> bitAnd: 16rFFFFFFF >> >> So, 16384 * is the same as bitShift: 14 and it looks like >> done once, >> which may be better. >> >> >> It should be a primitive (or otherwise optimized somehow). At >> some point though that hash function was implemented for e.g. >> ByteArray in Squeak, I thought at that point the multiplication >> step was also implemented as a primitive? >> >> Also VW marks it as a primitive, which Pharo does not. >> >> >> In VW it is also a translated primitive, i.e. it's executed >> directly in the JIT without calling C. >> >> Keep in mind that the speed at which hash values are calculated >> is only part of the story. If the hash function quality is not >> great, or the hashed collection implementation is not efficient >> and induces collisions or other extra work, improving the >> efficiency of the hash functions won't do much. I think it's >> mentioned in the hash book (I'd have to check), but once I made >> a hash function 5x times slower to get better quality and the >> result was that a report that was taking 30 minutes took 90 >> seconds instead (and hashing was gone from the profiler output). >> >> Would we gain >> some speed doing that? hashMultiply is used a lof for >> identity hashes. >> >> Bytecode has quite some work to do: >> >> 37 <70> self >> 38 <20> pushConstant: 16383 >> 39 <BE> send: bitAnd: >> 40 <68> popIntoTemp: 0 >> 41 <21> pushConstant: 9741 >> 42 <10> pushTemp: 0 >> 43 <B8> send: * >> 44 <21> pushConstant: 9741 >> 45 <70> self >> 46 <22> pushConstant: -14 >> 47 <BC> send: bitShift: >> 48 <B8> send: * >> 49 <23> pushConstant: 101 >> 50 <10> pushTemp: 0 >> 51 <B8> send: * >> 52 <B0> send: + >> 53 <20> pushConstant: 16383 >> 54 <BE> send: bitAnd: >> 55 <24> pushConstant: 16384 >> 56 <B8> send: * >> 57 <B0> send: + >> 58 <25> pushConstant: 268435455 >> 59 <BE> send: bitAnd: >> 60 <7C> returnTop >> >> >> If this is a primitive instead, then you can also avoid the >> overflow into large integers and do the math with (basically) >> >> mov eax, smallInteger >> shr eax, numberOfTagBits >> mul eax, 1664525 "the multiplication that throws out the high >> bits" >> shl eax, 4 "throw out bits 29-32" >> shr eax, 4 >> lea eax, [eax * 2^numberOfTagBits + smallIntegerTagBits] >> >> Please excuse trivial omissions in the above, it's written only >> for the sake of illustration (e.g. it looks like the 3 last >> instructions can be combined into two... lea followed by shr). >> Also, did you see the latency of integer multiplication >> instructions in modern x86 processors?... >> >> I ran some experiments timing things. >> >> It looks like that replacing 16384 * by bitShift:14 leads to >> a small >> gain, bitShift (primitive 17) being faster than * (primitive >> 9) >> >> >> Keep in mind those operations still have to check for overflow >> into large integers. In this case, large integers are not >> necessary. >> >> Andres. >> >> The bytecode is identical, except send: bitShift instead of >> send: * >> >> multiplication3 >> | low | >> >> low := self bitAnd: 16383. >> ^(16r260D * low + ((16r260D * (self bitShift: -14) + >> (16r0065 * low) >> bitAnd: 16383) bitShift: 14)) >> bitAnd: 16r0FFFFFFF >> >> >> >> [500000 timesRepeat: [ 15000 hashMultiply ]] timeToRun 12 >> [500000 timesRepeat: [ 15000 multiplication ]] timeToRun 41 >> (worse) >> [500000 timesRepeat: [ 15000 multiplication3 ]] timeToRun 10 >> (better) >> >> It looks like correct for SmallInteger minVal to: >> SmallInteger maxVal >> >> Now, VW gives: [500000 timesRepeat: [ 15000 hashMultiply ]] >> timeToRun >> 1.149 milliseconds >> >> Definitely worth investigating the primitive thing, or some >> NB Asm as >> this is used about everywhere (Collections etc). >> >> Toughts? >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] understanding postgresv2

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Doru, Note that there is also the newer http://www.squeaksource.com/PostgresV3.html which implements a more recent, incompatible version of the wire protocol between the client and server. I haven't tested it though, and I don't know if it is compatible at the higher level. Sven On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:34, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to understand how PostgresV2 is implemented because I would like to build some inspector support for it, and I encounter a couple of issues. In case anyone knows the answer, it would speed up my effort: > > - Why is result an instance variable in PGConnection? Making it a variable always returns the same object when executing a query and that is a bit of a pain. > > - Why does the PGResult have the possibility of holding multiple PGResultSets? When is it possible to have multiple at the same time? (when you execute a query, the result is being initialized) > > - When running something like > connection execute: 'select * from ...' > the PGResultSet already includes all rows of the query. Is it not possible to have a stream-like functionality in which the actual rows are retrieved only on demand? (a similar functionality exists in DBXTalk) > > - What is the difference between PGAsciiRow and PGDataRow? > > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] understanding postgresv2

by Pharo4Stef

excellent! I will put ROE close to it when I have a moment. I should also do some integration but Iâm refactoring a house right now (without a refactoring browser) Setf On 03 Mar 2014, at 07:46, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I will add some comments and will create some tool support as well. For now, I updated the copyright notice: > > Name: PostgresV2-TudorGirba.30 > Author: TudorGirba > Time: 3 March 2014, 7:46:26.827104 am > UUID: 7efdf379-1733-470b-a84e-29ed8f79dd6e > Ancestors: PostgresV2-EdwinDH.29 > > updated the copyright notice based on a mail from the author Yanni Chiu: > > <quote> > I've lost track of where it's being actively maintained, but please go ahead and remove or update the copyright text in the comment to MIT. > </quote> > > > It is already in StHub in PharoExtras :). > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: > Doru > > Will you add comments in the classes? > Where the code located? > Would be good to migrate it to SmalltalkHub. > > Stef > > On 03 Mar 2014, at 07:27, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Thank you, Yanni! >> >> Doru >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: >> Hmmm. Didn't remember that was there. IIRC, it was released under Squeak Licence, via SqueakMap. Then when migrated to squeaksource.com, I believe it was marked as MIT. I've lost track of where it's being actively maintained, but please go ahead and remove or update the copyright text in the comment to MIT. >> -- >> Yanni >> >> >> On 02/03/2014 11:36 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> Another thing I see in the comment of PGConnection is this: >> Copyright (c) 2001-2003 by Yanni Chiu. All Rights Reserved. >> >> Does anyone know the actual license? >> >> Doru >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to understand how PostgresV2 is implemented because I >> would like to build some inspector support for it, and I encounter a >> couple of issues. In case anyone knows the answer, it would speed up >> my effort: >> >> - Why is result an instance variable in PGConnection? Making it a >> variable always returns the same object when executing a query and >> that is a bit of a pain. >> >> - Why does the PGResult have the possibility of holding multiple >> PGResultSets? When is it possible to have multiple at the same time? >> (when you execute a query, the result is being initialized) >> >> - When running something like >> connection execute: 'select * from ...' >> the PGResultSet already includes all rows of the query. Is it not >> possible to have a stream-like functionality in which the actual >> rows are retrieved only on demand? (a similar functionality exists >> in DBXTalk) >> >> - What is the difference between PGAsciiRow and PGDataRow? >> >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

March 3, 2014

How can I tell the compiler to accept assignment as underscore?

by Pharo4Stef

Hi How can I tell the compiler to accept assignment as underscore? I could not find a setting for that? Would be nice to have that and turn them automatically into := Now to load all code what should I do? Do it with emacs :( Stef

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] understanding postgresv2

by Tudor Girba

I will add some comments and will create some tool support as well. For now, I updated the copyright notice: Name: PostgresV2-TudorGirba.30 Author: TudorGirba Time: 3 March 2014, 7:46:26.827104 am UUID: 7efdf379-1733-470b-a84e-29ed8f79dd6e Ancestors: PostgresV2-EdwinDH.29 updated the copyright notice based on a mail from the author Yanni Chiu: <quote> I've lost track of where it's being actively maintained, but please go ahead and remove or update the copyright text in the comment to MIT. </quote> It is already in StHub in PharoExtras :). Cheers, Doru On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: > Doru > > Will you add comments in the classes? > Where the code located? > Would be good to migrate it to SmalltalkHub. > > Stef > > On 03 Mar 2014, at 07:27, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Thank you, Yanni! > > Doru > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: > >> Hmmm. Didn't remember that was there. IIRC, it was released under Squeak >> Licence, via SqueakMap. Then when migrated to squeaksource.com, I >> believe it was marked as MIT. I've lost track of where it's being actively >> maintained, but please go ahead and remove or update the copyright text in >> the comment to MIT. >> -- >> Yanni >> >> >> On 02/03/2014 11:36 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Another thing I see in the comment of PGConnection is this: >>> Copyright (c) 2001-2003 by Yanni Chiu. All Rights Reserved. >>> >>> Does anyone know the actual license? >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com >>> <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am trying to understand how PostgresV2 is implemented because I >>> would like to build some inspector support for it, and I encounter a >>> couple of issues. In case anyone knows the answer, it would speed up >>> my effort: >>> >>> - Why is result an instance variable in PGConnection? Making it a >>> variable always returns the same object when executing a query and >>> that is a bit of a pain. >>> >>> - Why does the PGResult have the possibility of holding multiple >>> PGResultSets? When is it possible to have multiple at the same time? >>> (when you execute a query, the result is being initialized) >>> >>> - When running something like >>> connection execute: 'select * from ...' >>> the PGResultSet already includes all rows of the query. Is it not >>> possible to have a stream-like functionality in which the actual >>> rows are retrieved only on demand? (a similar functionality exists >>> in DBXTalk) >>> >>> - What is the difference between PGAsciiRow and PGDataRow? >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >>> >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >>> >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

March 3, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] understanding postgresv2

by Pharo4Stef

Doru Will you add comments in the classes? Where the code located? Would be good to migrate it to SmalltalkHub. Stef On 03 Mar 2014, at 07:27, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Thank you, Yanni! > > Doru > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: > Hmmm. Didn't remember that was there. IIRC, it was released under Squeak Licence, via SqueakMap. Then when migrated to squeaksource.com, I believe it was marked as MIT. I've lost track of where it's being actively maintained, but please go ahead and remove or update the copyright text in the comment to MIT. > -- > Yanni > > > On 02/03/2014 11:36 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Another thing I see in the comment of PGConnection is this: > Copyright (c) 2001-2003 by Yanni Chiu. All Rights Reserved. > > Does anyone know the actual license? > > Doru > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com > <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to understand how PostgresV2 is implemented because I > would like to build some inspector support for it, and I encounter a > couple of issues. In case anyone knows the answer, it would speed up > my effort: > > - Why is result an instance variable in PGConnection? Making it a > variable always returns the same object when executing a query and > that is a bit of a pain. > > - Why does the PGResult have the possibility of holding multiple > PGResultSets? When is it possible to have multiple at the same time? > (when you execute a query, the result is being initialized) > > - When running something like > connection execute: 'select * from ...' > the PGResultSet already includes all rows of the query. Is it not > possible to have a stream-like functionality in which the actual > rows are retrieved only on demand? (a similar functionality exists > in DBXTalk) > > - What is the difference between PGAsciiRow and PGDataRow? > > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow"

March 3, 2014