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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Phratch one-click

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am on Linux. you can use the new package on the PPA if you are on Ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable/ Please keep me informed because there is no user right now :-) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Phratch one-click

by jannik laval

Thank you for the report Hilaire. I think now that we need some profiling. Any expert for that ? Jannik 2014-03-05 10:08 GMT+01:00 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: > I am on Linux. > > Hilaire > > Le 04/03/2014 17:06, jannik laval a Ã©crit : > > Are you using it on a Mac ? > > On Windows and Linux it is really faster. > > > > I am thinking that it comes from the Mac VM. I want to discuss that next > > Friday during the Pharo Sprint. > > > > Jannik > > > > > > 2014-03-04 16:45 GMT+01:00 Hilaire Fernandes > > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>>: > > > > Thank for the url, my old eyes couldn't catch it. > > > > It looks great but very slow compare to the original Scratch. > > Any idea what makes it so unresponsive? Now I understand why you > told > > me it was unusable on tablet. Something may be wrong, it should not > be > > that slow. > > > > Hilaire > > > > > > Le 03/03/2014 23:38, jannik laval a Ã©crit : > > > URL of the Jenkins: > > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/ > > > > > > Then Phratch2.0 For Linux: > > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/PH… > > > > > > Phratch2.0 For Windows: > > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/PH… > > > > > > Phratch2.0 For MacOS: > > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/PH… > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-03-03 20:41 GMT+01:00 Hilaire Fernandes > > > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com> > > > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com > > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>>>: > > > > > > Great! > > > > > > URL? > > > > > > Hilaire > > > > > > Le 01/03/2014 12:30, jannik laval a Ã©crit : > > > > Now, no need to install anything: just download the zip file > > for your > > > > platform, unzip it and run Phratch. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > > > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > > > Enseignant-chercheur > > > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > > Enseignant-chercheur > > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://car.mines-douai.fr/

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Phratch one-click

by Hilaire Fernandes

I am on Linux. Hilaire Le 04/03/2014 17:06, jannik laval a Ã©crit : > Are you using it on a Mac ? > On Windows and Linux it is really faster. > > I am thinking that it comes from the Mac VM. I want to discuss that next > Friday during the Pharo Sprint. > > Jannik > > > 2014-03-04 16:45 GMT+01:00 Hilaire Fernandes > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>>: > > Thank for the url, my old eyes couldn't catch it. > > It looks great but very slow compare to the original Scratch. > Any idea what makes it so unresponsive? Now I understand why you told > me it was unusable on tablet. Something may be wrong, it should not be > that slow. > > Hilaire > > > Le 03/03/2014 23:38, jannik laval a Ã©crit : > > URL of the Jenkins: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/ > > > > Then Phratch2.0 For Linux: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/PH… > > > > Phratch2.0 For Windows: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/PH… > > > > Phratch2.0 For MacOS: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick/PH… > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > 2014-03-03 20:41 GMT+01:00 Hilaire Fernandes > > <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com> > > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>>>: > > > > Great! > > > > URL? > > > > Hilaire > > > > Le 01/03/2014 12:30, jannik laval a Ã©crit : > > > Now, no need to install anything: just download the zip file > for your > > > platform, unzip it and run Phratch. > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > > Enseignant-chercheur > > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > > > > -- > Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu > > > > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Creativity - a Smalltalk usability experiment on browsing code and productivity

by Goubier Thierry

Le 05/03/2014 08:57, Pharo4Stef a Ã©crit : > > me too > so I think that the solution is to have a really fast way to create a > scope and that it is obvious and apparent. Really fast way to create a scope: easy, already done :) make it obvious and apparent... Well, this is where I'm a bit stuck. I see things, but they are neither simple to implement nor elegant. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Creativity - a Smalltalk usability experiment on browsing code and productivity

by Goubier Thierry

Le 04/03/2014 20:41, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >>> I usually never switch between Log and other packages / classes, except if those packages are related (i.e., from the same application). When I need to see other classes that have nothing to do with my application, I usually open a new browser. >> >> Ok, then another question: >> - When working on one application, would you prefer all searches and refactorings be: >> a) scoped to your application >> b) system wide >> c) both (:)) > > I would like the system to give me what I expect: > Searching for something that is not contained in my application, should give me the broad result. Not contained or not found? A broad result would be the one in the scope above your application, or the global one (i.e. everything). > Searching for something that is part of the application, should result from the rest of the system should be made optional. Hum. That sentence got me thinking. I believe I can see a way of showing that. Thanks Alexandre, this is really interesting. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec #subMenu is broken

by Benjamin

On 05 Mar 2014, at 08:41, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: > where? because I wanted to integrate it and I could not find the slice in the inbox. PharoInbox, slice number 13040 Itâs weird you do no find it :S > > did you fix also the menu title rendering (when putting a title it was not used and rendered) > because I was hacking a solution in the âMenuAdapterâ but I do not remember > where I put the code. I do not remember such an issue :( > I will dig the code and publish it, if it is not fixed. Cool, tell me :) Ben

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Creativity - a Smalltalk usability experiment on browsing code and productivity

by Goubier Thierry

Le 05/03/2014 08:48, Pharo4Stef a Ã©crit : > > Iâm thinking that may be using as scope the result of a query could be nice. > Imagine that we have a little button close to the search bar that says scoped and spawn a new scoped browser > and that we could remove/add extra package in the scope This is what AltBrowser does at the moment. If you use it, do a search in the Finder plugin, it will open a browser scoped on the query result. And, in a scoped browser, finder searches are scoped, of course :) As well for : implementors, senders, class hierarchy, smart suggestions searches, etc... This is why I'm asking those questions: I'm getting used to it, but, still, I'd like to find just about the right balance between scoped searches and global searches. > it can be really handy. This was the idea of the groups originally. It is handy :) Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Creativity - a Smalltalk usability experiment on browsing code and productivity

by Pharo4Stef

On 04 Mar 2014, at 14:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > > Le 04/03/2014 14:02, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >> I usually never switch between Log and other packages / classes, except if those packages are related (i.e., from the same application). When I need to see other classes that have nothing to do with my application, I usually open a new browser. > > Ok, then another question: > - When working on one application, would you prefer all searches and refactorings be: > a) scoped to your application > b) system wide > c) both (:)) it depends :) so probably c :) > I implemented a) for classes and packages, but I'm wondering if this is the right balance: a) is very convenient, but at times I want b), which means c). me too so I think that the solution is to have a really fast way to create a scope and that it is obvious and apparent. > I also have a problem of a good GUI representation of the fact the browser is scoped, and which scope exactly it is. Why? > > Because, when scoping is easy, then you can drill down through code by scoping over scoping: first a package / then a class / then a group of methods... And then explaining what the scope is at that point is... not easy. oh I get it perfectly :) > > Thierry > >> Alexandre >> >> >> On Mar 4, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >>>> Now in Nautilus I often type Log to only the Log package so what display >>>> your search bar >>> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> when you do that, do you usually: >>> - work only with Log in that Nautilus instance (i.e. your package search entry is staying with Log all the time) >>> - Or switch between Log and other packages / classes (i.e. you write Log multiple times in the search bar) >> > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] publishing ConfigurationOf...

by Pharo4Stef

I added you to the repo. can you check? Stef On 04 Mar 2014, at 20:30, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > Perhaps my user needs to receive some blessing? :D > > Iâve pushed it here as workaround: > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sebastianconcept/OmniBase > > Iâm about to update it thou > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thatâs weirdâ¦ In what repo is it? If itâs read accessible I can copy it to Meta for you. >> >> Cheers, >> Max >> >> >> On 04.03.2014, at 19:00, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >> >>> hi guys >>> >>> I could not save a ConfigurationOfOmniBase into MetaRepoForPharo30 >>> >>> where should I save it? >>> >>> sebastian >>> >>> o/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

March 5, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Creativity - a Smalltalk usability experiment on browsing code and productivity

by Pharo4Stef

On 04 Mar 2014, at 13:29, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > > Le 04/03/2014 13:18, Pharo4Stef a Ã©crit : >> nice :) >> Now in Nautilus I often type Log to only the Log package so what display >> your search bar > > Hi Stef, > > when you do that, do you usually: > - work only with Log in that Nautilus instance (i.e. your package search entry is staying with Log all the time) > - Or switch between Log and other packages / classes (i.e. you write Log multiple times in the search bar) I was for example working with SimpleLog and SystemLogger so I type Log and I only see all the log packages and this is quite cool Now it happens that I look for something else. And I open another browser in such case. > Why am I asking that? > > One of my experiments at the moment is systematic scoped browsing, and so I tried: double click on a package -> new browser instance scoped on that package. > > But I'm not using that feature that much. I'd like to ask others what would they do with such a feature. Iâm thinking that may be using as scope the result of a query could be nice. Imagine that we have a little button close to the search bar that says scoped and spawn a new scoped browser and that we could remove/add extra package in the scope it can be really handy. This was the idea of the groups originally. Stef > > Thierry > >> Stef >> On 04 Mar 2014, at 01:15, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com >> <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Smalltalker! >>> >>> After a talk with Thierry I was encouraged to publish this weekendâs >>> experiment, so there it is: >>> https://github.com/sebastianconcept/Creativity >>> >>> Creativity is the prototype of a Smalltalk browser biased on: >>> >>> * productivity and >>> * the development experience and >>> * the creative flow >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)> of the software >>> developer >>> >>> >>> Iâm releasing it in the open so the idea can spread its own wings >>> >>> I wish I could dedicate more to this because it provides the feeling >>> and the UX of the tool we would use to code every day regardless of >>> the Smalltalk dialect of your choice. >>> >>> For the tests Iâve done, the designâs results are promising, needs >>> more work thou >>> >>> It would be great to have your feedback/input >>> >>> sebastian <https://about.me/sebastianconcept> >>> >>> o/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

March 5, 2014