February 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo 3.0 on Windows 8.1

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Installing and running Pharo 3.0 on a blank Windows 8.1 machine in under 1 minute. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0 > > With an extra minute to demo some basic interactions. Pharo can easilty be *installed* on Windows with a real installer: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/ -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Floats problem with SIXX between Pharo and GemStone

by Nicolas Cellier

2014-02-27 8:39 GMT+01:00 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 23:08, Nicolas Cellier < > nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > That's exactly for this kind of reasons that I developped an > ExtendedNumberParser connected to Number class>>readFrom:, to allow a > variety of formats used in the rest of the world. > > It would have been easy to allow upper letter exponents in this parser, > but the class was considered superfluous and removed from Pharo 3.0... > > > Nicolas > > to explain a bit the removal of that class. I do not think that Java has > three different parser for number in its core or ruby? > From a maintenance perspective this is a lot of stress on us (not only at > the code level the conceptually). > If we do not have a guy like you taking care of such issues in Pharo daily > how can we continue maintaining different parser? > This is why we should simplifiy. > Why this is the not the job of a GemstoneToPharoPharo to do that? Or > ExternalNumberParser (to me it if conceptually different than > ExtendedNumberParser) and it should be packaged somewhere else. We got at > least two ASTs, three parsers and this cannot be. > > Stef > > > Yes, I understand the motivation for simplification, but... For me, providing a way to parse very simple objects like numbers dates etc... from a string representation SHOULD be a core service. And, indeed, IT IS the #readFrom: API. For dates, there is a well known exhange format, so that's what we can use. For numbers, less so, but most other languages either share sufficient coverage of literal syntax, or provide common libraries for such parsing (like scanf etc...) If you provide a limited API (limited to Smalltalk literal syntax, Squeak/Pharo dialect), then it's sufficiently different from the rest of the world to require extension from app. developpers POV. So you put the burden on application developpers which will re-program the same micro-package again and again. Since it is a micro-feature, this will lead to a balkanization of micro packages, several packages doing more or less the same, more or less correctly. And concerning conversion of Float from decimal->binary representation, it'll be less ciorrectly, indeed it's very easy to do it wrong (not correctly rounded). 10 years ago, every SMalltalk dialect I know of did it wrong in any case... That's also why it should be a core service, and why it is in other languages (via scanf or other library) Back to the implementation, the decision for reifying the NumberParser was precisely: - to correct the parsing of Float which requires a little care to be correctly rounded (what every other language does right, Smalltalk did wrong) - to refactor a bunch of readFrom... selectors spreaded along the number hierarchy. - to correct discrepancies between the readFrom... variants (handling of separators, extra characters, error handling) So was it a good idea to factor Number parsing from several format? I cna agree on critiscism about the implementation: the NumberParser are ad-hoc hand crafted disconnected from grammatical formal description... Maybe what we need is a lower level service on which to build DSL parsers... But in any case, I think it's already better than what we had a few years ago. Cheers Nicolas > > 2014-02-26 22:38 GMT+01:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi guys, >> >> When I export SmallDoubles with SIXX in GemStone it generates something >> like this: >> >> <sixx.object sixx.id="15" sixx.name="close" sixx.type="SmallDouble" >> >1.0000000000000000E-02</sixx.object> >> >> This is because "0.01 asString" -> '1.0000000000000000E-02' >> >> Then I want to load this in Pharo. So first problem is that of course >> SmallDouble doesn't exist. So I did: >> >> aSixxShapeChangeStream shapeChangers at: #SmallDouble put: Float. >> But then, SIXX use Float >> readFrom: aStream >> "Answer a new Float as described on the stream, aStream." ^(super >> readFrom: aStream) asFloat >> >> >> So, of course " Float readFrom: '1.0000000000000000E-02' " -> 1.0 >> >> So my 0.01 in gemstone become 1.0 in Pharo.... >> >> Am I doing something wrong or this is expected? What is the best >> workaround? >> >> In GemStone I could print the SmallDouble in the XML with a method like >> >> Float >> xmlRepresentation >> ^ String streamContents: >> [:strm | self printOn: strm base: 10] >> >> Is this the correct approach? If true, I guess I should define: >> >> Float >> sixxContentOn: aStream indent: level context: dictionary aStream >> nextPutAll: self xmlRepresentation >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > > >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo 3.0 on Mac OS X 10.9

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Damien, On 27 Feb 2014, at 11:43, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Sven, > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> The out of the box experience. Installing and running Pharo 3.0 on a blank Mac OS X 10.9 account in 40 seconds. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxljgugI4c4 >> >> With 3 extra minutes to demo some networking and image manipulation interactions. > > don't forget there is the dmg installer now: > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/ Yeah, I know, we have so many options these days, a luxury situation. Maybe you can do a screencast movie about it yourself. It is actually very easy on Mac OS X. Start QuickTime Player, goto File > New Screen Recording, select full screen or a smaller area, and start recording. You stop by clicking the extra icon in the top right (as you can see at the end of my movie). You can then just upload that movie to YouTube directly. I would suggest not using the huge screen size of a Cinema display, but to temporarily switch to a lower resolution like 720p (System Preferences > Displays > Resolution [Scaled]). I did the Windows 8.1 movie using VirtualBox on the Mac, BTW. Sven > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo 3.0 on Mac OS X 10.9

by Luc Fabresse

2014-02-27 11:43 GMT+01:00 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Sven, > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > The out of the box experience. Installing and running Pharo 3.0 on a > blank Mac OS X 10.9 account in 40 seconds. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxljgugI4c4 > > > > With 3 extra minutes to demo some networking and image manipulation > interactions. > > don't forget there is the dmg installer now: > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/ cool, I was not aware of that. A link should be added in the download section of pharo.org Luc > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Pharo 3.0 on Mac OS X 10.9

by Damien Cassou

Hi Sven, On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > The out of the box experience. Installing and running Pharo 3.0 on a blank Mac OS X 10.9 account in 40 seconds. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxljgugI4c4 > > With 3 extra minutes to demo some networking and image manipulation interactions. don't forget there is the dmg installer now: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/ -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo-Business: a new mailing-list

by Sebastian Sastre

I applaud the initiative. Business and connections is the point. Also connecting with business. Yesterday I was in http://www.startupfoz.com/ and talked with many people about startups and investing an technology (and doing business with technology). One of the guys I talked to was from the TI-APL (Productive Local Array of TI companies) and they told me they started having meeting with no idea of what they were doing nor what to do. One of the companies that belong to this array has 5000 employees and produce software for all around the globe and being in the array puts you at 1 hop of social distance of top notch connections and strategic business advice. Do you know what theyâve said to me after 5m talk? We need more people with your thinking in the APL, last year we didnât even know what a startup is, you can help us get were are we going. Today theyâre the biggest APL of TI companies in Brazil and because they have become so big they are consulted on budgetary decisions from time to time. Thatâs how theyâve ended up sponsoring StartupFoz. Now if that happened to me in one of many casual talks in a meetup, the questing I want to leave here is this: how many other smalltalkers anywhere can get into positions of influence? When you listen first, people listens back and you might be surprised by how they react when you explain things making sense. We might have no idea now about the point But connections and business is the point Also connecting with business is the point People are socialising technology and coding already to bootstrap their next businesses: https://koding.com/ So if we donât do that with the smalltalk spiritâ¦ who will? Here.. have something that will help you predict the future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wadBvDPeE4E On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:13 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't see the point of having another list, I don't see many > business related topics going on in the dev or users lists. In fact > they have moderate traffic (and could even converge). > > However, if the idea is to foster business talk, maybe a separate list is okay. > > I'm in. > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-02-26 17:45 GMT-03:00 Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com>: >> Make a list where the main point is about industry issues, share knowledge >> and experience about general implications of pharo in a full project. >> Recommend frameworks for specific domains. And then also soft knowledge, >> know who is working with pharo in business to know to who ask for help in >> case of over. >> >> What we will gain is as beginning, order in our knowledge database. Then >> knowledge related with pharo but not from technical point, but business. >> >> Finally, the Pharo powered is about 'branding'. In both cases we are getting >> knowledge scoped and ordered and almost free, more visible movement related. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-02-26 21:27 GMT+01:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> Can you explain what's the purpose of this list? >>> >>> I don't fully get it. What is to be discussed there? Market for Pharo? >>> Derived businesses from pharo? (like pharocloud?). >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> >>> Regards! >>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>> >>> >>> 2014-02-26 16:05 GMT-03:00 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: >>>> Dear Pharoers and Smalltalkers from all over the world >>>> >>>> We would really like to push business in our community and we believe >>>> that it is important to create a community around business questions. >>>> We created a new mailing-list >>>> >>>> >>>> http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-business_lists.pharo.org >>>> >>>> The idea is to identify >>>> - potential market >>>> - missing technical solutions that we could build together >>>> - share technical assets from a business perspective (which >>>> frameworks for what). >>>> >>>> We hope that you will like the idea and that more business can emerge! >>>> >>> >> >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [fun] Sparkline in Pharo

by Sebastian Sastre

LOL canât see applicability now but thatâs kind of cute :D Iâm sure itâs a nice to have thanks for sharing Alex! On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi! > > I am playing with unicode characters: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Gofer new > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/abergel/Sparkline/main'; > addPackage: 'Sparkline'; > load. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > #( 1 2 3 4) spark => 'âââââ > #(-5 10 0) spark => 'âââ' > RxsNode withAllSubclasses spark: #numberOfMethods => 'âââââââââââââ > > <Screen Shot 2014-02-26 at 5.18.30 PM.png> > > I got the inspiration from https://github.com/holman/spark > > By the way, I would love to have a short tutorial about unicode characters at esug. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] iPad version does not work ?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yes. I should update my OSX laptop to Mavericks but on OSX Lion it works. Phil On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi All, > > Are these steps written README file in the PharoVM repo? > e.g. https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/README.md > > Luc > > > 2014-02-26 21:34 GMT+01:00 jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > >> Yes, but a Pharo1.4 >> I tried with a Pharo2.0 but it freezes. Morover, for Pharo2.0 there are >> some changes to do to download all the stuff. >> >> Here is the process for Pharo 1.4: >> >> ==== >> git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >> cd pharo-vm/image/ >> ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 >> >> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder >> buildIPhoneSimulator >> -- or -- >> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone >> >> cd ../iosbuild/resources/ >> >> ./generate.sh >> >> cd ../../build/ >> >> sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >> sudo cmake -G Xcode . >> >> open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ >> >> In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the Executable >> field to the iPharo... >> Select your iOS version and compile it. >> >> >> >> >> 2014-02-26 20:45 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: >> >> So, can we have Pharo on the iphone and ipad? >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:33 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Thank you Esteban, >>> > It works. I failed probably because I did not remove the app in the >>> simulator. >>> > >>> > Thank you again. >>> > >>> > Jannik >>> > >>> > >>> > 2014-02-25 13:26 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> > btw what can be happening is that xcode fails to build freetype2. >>> > the way to workaround this problem is: >>> > >>> > first, build a makefile version of the app: >>> > >>> > sh build.sh >>> > >>> > then, re-prepare for xcode: >>> > >>> > rm CMakeCache.txt >>> > cmake -G Xcode . >>> > >>> > >>> > (that will build freetype2 first, and when xcode tries to get it, it >>> will be already there, so it will ski the build part, who often and >>> mysteriously fails) >>> > >>> > Esteban >>> > >>> > >>> > On 25 Feb 2014, at 13:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> that works for me. >>> >> what is the problem you are having? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 25 Feb 2014, at 12:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> It seems to not work :( >>> >>> Here is the process I follow: >>> >>> >>> >>> === >>> >>> git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >>> >>> cd pharo-vm/image/ >>> >>> ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 >>> >>> >>> >>> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder >>> buildIPhoneSimulator >>> >>> >>> >>> cd ../iosbuild/resources/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ./generate.sh ==> it is a pharo1.4 image. >>> >>> >>> >>> sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >>> >>> sudo cmake -G Xcode . >>> >>> >>> >>> open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ >>> >>> >>> >>> In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the >>> Executable field to the iPharo. >>> >>> Select your iOS version and compile it. >>> >>> === >>> >>> >>> >>> Jannik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-02-25 9:23 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 08:04, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 01:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> it *should* be working now. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> cheers >>> >>>>> Esteban (who needs to write more documentation, but he does what >>> he can :) ) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> No need lentghly sentences just some nice bulleted lists of actions >>> >>>> and we can do something with that. >>> >>> >>> >>> yes, I will... but as I always say: time is a tyrant. And writing >>> documentation is boring :) >>> >>> Anyway most of the process is already covered with current >>> documentation, I just need to add a few points. >>> >>> >>> >>> (no one reads documentation either, is a bit annoying... every time is >>> like starting from scratch... But don't take me into appoint, I'm having a >>> cynical morning :P) >>> >>> >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:58, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> not yet... so far I restored the build capability, not the image >>> event handling :( >>> >>>>>> (nevertheless, I'm on it :) ) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:00, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Did you already try ? >>> >>>>>>> I saw a message on the VM repo related to iOS, not sure it is >>> for my problem. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> 2014-01-29 17:32 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano < >>> estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>>>>> oks... I will take a look... as soon as I can :S >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> (damn... I need to learn how to do a mitosis...) >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 17:28, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> I confirm that it does not work: the simulator compile (but not >>> the non-simulator). >>> >>>>>>>> Then the image cannot be open: I have a white screen. >>> >>>>>>>> Here is my process: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> === >>> >>>>>>>> 1) git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >>> >>>>>>>> 2) in ./image dir prepare a VMMaker image (including download >>> of a pharo 2.0): >>> >>>>>>>> ./newImage.sh >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 3)open the generated.image and execute: >>> >>>>>>>> === >>> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >>> >>>>>>>> -- or -- >>> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhoneSimulator. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 4) Generate your iPhone image in iosbuild/resources/ >>> >>>>>>>> ./generate.sh >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 5) In dir ./build: >>> >>>>>>>> sh build.sh >>> >>>>>>>> === >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>> and btw... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> iosbuild/resource$ ./generate.sh >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> should generate a 1.4 image that *should* work in ipad (no idea >>> if that will be the case, its been more than 6months since I do not test it >>> and vm changed since then). >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 10:23, Esteban Lorenzano < >>> estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> it should generate all sources and a "build.sh" >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> then >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> build$ sh build.sh >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> will generate an xcode project. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> and let me remember... mmm... yeah, that was all :) >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 08:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Hum, this means that my instructions are outdated. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Where are the right instructions ? The ones on Github do not >>> mention IOS. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 00:18, Eliot Miranda < >>> eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < >>> estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> because you are not following the instructions ;) >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> basically... you can generate them by: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> build$ ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I asked for this info last week ;-). Thanks! >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> hey! I answered you! :P >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But this is alarming: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> McStalker.pharovm$ ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >>> >>>>>>>>>>> readlink: ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh Invalid >>> argument >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suggest changing >>> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0"` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to read >>> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0" >/dev/null` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 23:15, jannik.laval < >>> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, I am trying the latest one. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When compiling for IOS, I have an error in sqSCCSVersion.h >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #include "vmVersionInfo.h" // defines REVISION_STRING >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the file is not found. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone knows where is this file ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jannik the latest vm is not on gitoruous anymore but git >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 22:03, jannik laval < >>> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hum, have I the correct repository ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used this one: >>> https://git.gitorious.org/cogvm/cog-osx.git >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I just saw that this one exists: >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should use it no? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-27 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 and 2.0 worked out of the box... and after my latest >>> integration, 3.0 should work too. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will take a look as soon as I have half and hour to >>> spare. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 14:27, jannik laval < >>> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone try to load Pharoon iPad ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the past, the version 1.4 worked with XCode 4.4. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to recompile it with the new XCode (5.0.2). >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VM seems to work, but the pharo 1.4 image freezes. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea ? >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> best, >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliot >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> >>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> >>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > ~~Jannik Laval~~ >>> > Ãcole des Mines de Douai >>> > Enseignant-chercheur >>> > http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] about dateAndTime and TimeStamp

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 26 Feb 2014, at 23:03, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I share the same idiomatic feeling with Norbert. > > However it is completely counter-intuitive (and counter productive > too) that you can't instantiate a DateAndTime using the class side > builder #date:time:, it is available in Pharo 2.0, but #date:time: was > removed in a 3.0 image I tried a month ago. No, it is not, DateAndTime class>>#date:time: is there alright. > Regards! > > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2014-02-26 17:36 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> Am 26.02.2014 um 21:29 schrieb Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: >> >>> one of these days we will have to remove TimeStamp because it just adds noise to the system (in fact I would not have any problem to see DateAndTime renamed as timestamp - but having the two for nothing looks useless to me). >> >> +100 >> >> I don't really get what the use of it is, too. The mere fact that DateAndTime printString returns ISO8601 dates and TimeStamp does not makes me always use DateAndTime instead. My problem is that I often take a "snapshot of time" (like in a log event) that for me as a non-native speaker is more related to the word timeStamp than DatenAndTime which sounds like a date and time management object. But everytime I write >> >> timeStamp := DateAndTime now >> >> it feels wrong. So I would be glad if there would be some clarification here. >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >

Feb. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] iPad version does not work ?

by Luc Fabresse

Hi All, Are these steps written README file in the PharoVM repo? e.g. https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/README.md Luc 2014-02-26 21:34 GMT+01:00 jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com>: > Yes, but a Pharo1.4 > I tried with a Pharo2.0 but it freezes. Morover, for Pharo2.0 there are > some changes to do to download all the stuff. > > Here is the process for Pharo 1.4: > > ==== > git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git > cd pharo-vm/image/ > ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 > > ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhoneSimulator > -- or -- > ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone > > cd ../iosbuild/resources/ > > ./generate.sh > > cd ../../build/ > > sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh > > sudo cmake -G Xcode . > > open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ > > In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the Executable > field to the iPharo... > Select your iOS version and compile it. > > > > > 2014-02-26 20:45 GMT+01:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: > > So, can we have Pharo on the iphone and ipad? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:33 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Thank you Esteban, >> > It works. I failed probably because I did not remove the app in the >> simulator. >> > >> > Thank you again. >> > >> > Jannik >> > >> > >> > 2014-02-25 13:26 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> > btw what can be happening is that xcode fails to build freetype2. >> > the way to workaround this problem is: >> > >> > first, build a makefile version of the app: >> > >> > sh build.sh >> > >> > then, re-prepare for xcode: >> > >> > rm CMakeCache.txt >> > cmake -G Xcode . >> > >> > >> > (that will build freetype2 first, and when xcode tries to get it, it >> will be already there, so it will ski the build part, who often and >> mysteriously fails) >> > >> > Esteban >> > >> > >> > On 25 Feb 2014, at 13:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> that works for me. >> >> what is the problem you are having? >> >> >> >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2014, at 12:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> It seems to not work :( >> >>> Here is the process I follow: >> >>> >> >>> === >> >>> git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >> >>> cd pharo-vm/image/ >> >>> ./newImage.sh ==> it load a pharo20 >> >>> >> >>> ./pharo generator.image eval --save PharoIPhoneBuilder >> buildIPhoneSimulator >> >>> >> >>> cd ../iosbuild/resources/ >> >>> >> >>> ./generate.sh ==> it is a pharo1.4 image. >> >>> >> >>> sudo ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >>> sudo cmake -G Xcode . >> >>> >> >>> open iPharoSimulator.xcodeproj/ >> >>> >> >>> In the list "ALL_BUILD", go to edit scheme, and change the Executable >> field to the iPharo. >> >>> Select your iOS version and compile it. >> >>> === >> >>> >> >>> Jannik >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2014-02-25 9:23 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> >> >>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 08:04, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 01:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> it *should* be working now. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> cheers >> >>>>> Esteban (who needs to write more documentation, but he does what he >> can :) ) >> >>>> >> >>>> No need lentghly sentences just some nice bulleted lists of actions >> >>>> and we can do something with that. >> >>> >> >>> yes, I will... but as I always say: time is a tyrant. And writing >> documentation is boring :) >> >>> Anyway most of the process is already covered with current >> documentation, I just need to add a few points. >> >>> >> >>> (no one reads documentation either, is a bit annoying... every time is >> like starting from scratch... But don't take me into appoint, I'm having a >> cynical morning :P) >> >>> >> >>> Esteban >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:58, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> not yet... so far I restored the build capability, not the image >> event handling :( >> >>>>>> (nevertheless, I'm on it :) ) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 24 Feb 2014, at 08:00, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Did you already try ? >> >>>>>>> I saw a message on the VM repo related to iOS, not sure it is for >> my problem. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2014-01-29 17:32 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >>>>>>> oks... I will take a look... as soon as I can :S >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> (damn... I need to learn how to do a mitosis...) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 17:28, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I confirm that it does not work: the simulator compile (but not >> the non-simulator). >> >>>>>>>> Then the image cannot be open: I have a white screen. >> >>>>>>>> Here is my process: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> 1) git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git >> >>>>>>>> 2) in ./image dir prepare a VMMaker image (including download of >> a pharo 2.0): >> >>>>>>>> ./newImage.sh >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 3)open the generated.image and execute: >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >> >>>>>>>> -- or -- >> >>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhoneSimulator. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 4) Generate your iPhone image in iosbuild/resources/ >> >>>>>>>> ./generate.sh >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 5) In dir ./build: >> >>>>>>>> sh build.sh >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>> and btw... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> iosbuild/resource$ ./generate.sh >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> should generate a 1.4 image that *should* work in ipad (no idea >> if that will be the case, its been more than 6months since I do not test it >> and vm changed since then). >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 10:23, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> PharoIPhoneBuilder buildIPhone. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> it should generate all sources and a "build.sh" >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> then >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> build$ sh build.sh >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> will generate an xcode project. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> and let me remember... mmm... yeah, that was all :) >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 08:10, jannik laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Esteban, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hum, this means that my instructions are outdated. >> >>>>>>>>>> Where are the right instructions ? The ones on Github do not >> mention IOS. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-29 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jan 2014, at 00:18, Eliot Miranda < >> eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < >> estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> because you are not following the instructions ;) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> basically... you can generate them by: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> build$ ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I asked for this info last week ;-). Thanks! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> hey! I answered you! :P >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> But this is alarming: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> McStalker.pharovm$ ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh >> >>>>>>>>>>> readlink: ./scripts/extract-commit-info.sh Invalid >> argument >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I suggest changing >> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0"` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >> >>>>>>>>>>> to read >> >>>>>>>>>>> SCRIPT_DIR=`readlink "$0" >/dev/null` || SCRIPT_DIR="$0"; >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 23:15, jannik.laval < >> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, I am trying the latest one. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> When compiling for IOS, I have an error in sqSCCSVersion.h >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> #include "vmVersionInfo.h" // defines REVISION_STRING >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the file is not found. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone knows where is this file ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jannik the latest vm is not on gitoruous anymore but git >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 22:03, jannik laval < >> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hum, have I the correct repository ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used this one: >> https://git.gitorious.org/cogvm/cog-osx.git >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I just saw that this one exists: >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should use it no? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jannik >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-01-27 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.4 and 2.0 worked out of the box... and after my latest >> integration, 3.0 should work too. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will take a look as soon as I have half and hour to >> spare. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esteban >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2014, at 14:27, jannik laval < >> jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone try to load Pharoon iPad ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the past, the version 1.4 worked with XCode 4.4. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just tried to recompile it with the new XCode (5.0.2). >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VM seems to work, but the pharo 1.4 image freezes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea ? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> best, >> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliot >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>>>>>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>>>>>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>>>>>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>>>>>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> >>> Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> >>> Enseignant-chercheur >> >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> >>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ~~Jannik Laval~~ >> > Ãcole des Mines de Douai >> > Enseignant-chercheur >> > http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >> > >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > ~~Jannik Laval~~ > Ãcole des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu > http://car.mines-douai.fr/ >

Feb. 27, 2014