December 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Ben Coman

Repost (it was rejected as from the wrong account) On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, Ben Coman wrote: > Hi richard, I appreciate your goal. Smalltalk & Pharo do need more PR. I > can see how Pharo not being "a smalltalk" may affect it being your > poster-child for your new site, however you should review the archives > before launching into that argument as a newcomer :) > Although as a PR exercise, outside viewpoints are useful. > > Certainly Pharo does not want to be "constrained" by being "a small talk" > per smalltalk80. However some of the recent posted historical videos put > that in perspective with several PARC small talk versions being quite > different. Small talk continually evolves. > > Btw, can you drop the movie quotations. It comes across a bit high-handed > - like it's trying to teach something - but I can't work out your implied > meaning. Someone else's words can only ever be an approximation. You own > words are better. > > Good Luck with your venture. I'll look into it more when I have Better > net access. > > Ben > > > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Which is why I've chosen Pharo as the public "face" of Smalltalk. It has >> the >> most active community, and the best chance of widespread adoption. >> >> Still, to call it a "new language", to say that "it's not Smalltalk", is a >> mistake. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797374.h… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >>

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by phil＠highoctane.be

Le 30 dÃ©c. 2014 15:13, "horrido" <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > I'm Richard. You're thinking of my brother Robert. > Yes. My bad ;-) Phil > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797395.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by kilon alios

I think newcomers like us can play a pivot role too. As a newcomer I made Pharo manipulate Blender by hijacking python, I thought that most likely I would fail because I dont know Pharo well and I never tried to create a parser or communicate via sockets but I was succesful and uploaded several videos that I am sure raised some eyebrows. Now imagine 1 million pharo newcomers do this and having 1 million youtube videos that would lead to raising 1 million eyebrows :D I agree that the best people for the job are experienced pharo developers but they can only do so much with their limited free time. We all need to help on this. Plus I have been following your progress with pharo and you have done some pretty cool contributions to pharo ;) On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Such hostility! > > > This has been gone over before and it can be a sensitive issue and > draining for busy people with a vision of what they want to achieve with > Pharo - hence the terse response. There is some enlightening research you > could do in the archives on this topic. (sorry too hard to find through > this vacation interface) > > Now often I post a link to Eric S Raymond's "how to ask smart questions" > but this interface is difficult, could you google it. > > >> > If I have no idea what I'm talking about, then you may enlighten me. But >> there's no need to attack me. I'm only trying to help and contribute in my >> own way. > > > >> I am, in fact, doing a great deal. In terms of PR, I've created a Facebook >> page, created a Google+ page, created a Twitter feed and I'm tweeting >> constantly. I'm collecting and curating for the Resources page, and I >> shall >> be doing the same for essays and articles shortly (can you be patient??). >> I'm actively /trying to sign up supporters for the SRP/, and I am about >> ready to contact a major CEO. Next month, I will be investigating the >> Toronto District School Board to see how we may get Smalltalk into the >> classroom (/I have a contact/). I have spent countless hours working on >> this >> campaign, and I have a great deal more things to do in the New Year, as >> I've >> clearly outlined in a previous post. > > > This is great to hear of these positive actions. > > > >> >> I'm not sure what it is you think I should be *doing*. What "everyone >> else" >> is doing *is on the technical front*, working on tools and code. As I've >> already clearly elaborated, this is not enough. I'm trying a different >> approach to promoting Smalltalk, one that is based on PR, marketing and >> branding. Let me turn the question around: What are *you* doing on the PR >> >> > Everyone contributes in their own way. It will be good to add more PR, > but this needs to be lead by those technical-doers who have spent the last > five years creating their vision for Pharo. (myself I am a newcomer also) > > > > -Ben >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Norbert Hartl

Richard, we appreciate your ideas and engagement on the topic. Marketing measures are surely welcomed and we are eager to see what you are going to achieve. I think nobody knows what is it that makes something successful. It is a ghost a lot of people are trying to hunt down. But I think it is hard to be really sure about it. On the other hand we are a community for several years now and we talk about those things regularly. We decide how we proceed and a few weeks another person chimes in wanting to discus it again. Your mails had that tone (maybe that was not intended) that you know what to do and we should follow that or at least focus on it. Reread that and take two first paragraphs into account. This sounds strange for a community. Asking for twitter accounts and all sorts of resources appears to me that you didn't do your homework well. That surely doesn't work. But now I think the best thing is to let this thread rest a day or two to have tensions cool down. After that the discussion might be different. Norbert > Am 30.12.2014 um 15:09 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > > My Twitter account is less than 3 days old. How many tweets do you expect in > that time period? > > And I struggle to find things to tweet about. I'm not accustomed to this. > Maybe you can cut me just a wee bit of slack? >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Benoit St-Jean

>Such hostility! +1000 No need for that, we should ALL be ONE family. Some people should *seriously* get a second cup of coffee in the morning before they hit *Send* or even write a single line of comment. Calm down people! Â -----------------Benoit St-JeanYahoo! Messenger: bstjeanTwitter: @BenLeChialeuxPinterest: benoitstjeanIRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein)

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] A hidden treasure :)

by kilon alios

your first page looks like Pillar did not parse the coder correctly and instead it displays [[[NBExternalResourceManager addResource: anObject.]]] Thats a hell of a class comment :D Thanks I gor and Stef :) On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:04 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Thanks igor for his great class comments and help! > > Stef >

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

I'm Richard. You're thinking of my brother Robert. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797395.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

My Twitter account is less than 3 days old. How many tweets do you expect in that time period? And I struggle to find things to tweet about. I'm not accustomed to this. Maybe you can cut me just a wee bit of slack? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797394.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Ben Coman

On Wednesday, December 31, 2014, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Such hostility! This has been gone over before and it can be a sensitive issue and draining for busy people with a vision of what they want to achieve with Pharo - hence the terse response. There is some enlightening research you could do in the archives on this topic. (sorry too hard to find through this vacation interface) Now often I post a link to Eric S Raymond's "how to ask smart questions" but this interface is difficult, could you google it. > If I have no idea what I'm talking about, then you may enlighten me. But > there's no need to attack me. I'm only trying to help and contribute in my > own way. > I am, in fact, doing a great deal. In terms of PR, I've created a Facebook > page, created a Google+ page, created a Twitter feed and I'm tweeting > constantly. I'm collecting and curating for the Resources page, and I shall > be doing the same for essays and articles shortly (can you be patient??). > I'm actively /trying to sign up supporters for the SRP/, and I am about > ready to contact a major CEO. Next month, I will be investigating the > Toronto District School Board to see how we may get Smalltalk into the > classroom (/I have a contact/). I have spent countless hours working on > this > campaign, and I have a great deal more things to do in the New Year, as > I've > clearly outlined in a previous post. This is great to hear of these positive actions. > > I'm not sure what it is you think I should be *doing*. What "everyone else" > is doing *is on the technical front*, working on tools and code. As I've > already clearly elaborated, this is not enough. I'm trying a different > approach to promoting Smalltalk, one that is based on PR, marketing and > branding. Let me turn the question around: What are *you* doing on the PR > > Everyone contributes in their own way. It will be good to add more PR, but this needs to be lead by those technical-doers who have spent the last five years creating their vision for Pharo. (myself I am a newcomer also) -Ben

Dec. 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by stepharo

+ 1000 Just add a filter if you get annoyed :) > > Relax people. > > Remember the stages of team formation: > > - forming > - storming (we are here) > - norming > - performing > > So, this is good. > > What is the problem with what Robert is doing? > > Let's use Renaissance as the French Renaissance. > > We need more PR. Not for cool or new. But as backing up our ass when > the C level guys need reassurance. > > I have my little side project that will go out in Q1 on that front. > > Phil > > Le 30 dÃ©c. 2014 14:45, "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr > <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> a Ã©crit : > > >> On 30 Dec 2014, at 14:37, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Such hostility! > > I am sure you get that often, or not? > >> >> If I have no idea what I'm talking about, then you may enlighten >> me. But >> there's no need to attack me. I'm only trying to help and >> contribute in my >> own way. >> >> I am, in fact, doing a great deal. In terms of PR, I've created a >> Facebook >> page, created a Google+ page, created a Twitter feed and I'm tweeting >> constantly > > Honestly: > > https://twitter.com/smalltalkrenais > > Tweets: 7 > Followers: 8 > Following: 0 > > You are definitely seeing a different reality than me. > > Marcus > > > >

Dec. 30, 2014