December 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo

by Alain Plantec

Hi Nicolai, Yes, youâre right. There is this issue in 3.0. In a fresh image, the Author requestFullname dialog is opened at Bloc starting (because of Athens if I remember well). Maybe you tried with a 3.0. This issue has been fixed in 4.0 since few months. Try with the last Pharo 4 and it should be ok. Another solution is to evaluate ---- Author requestFullName ââ before you start a bloc space. Cheers Alain > On 25 Dec 2014, at 20:57, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > I tried both, loadDevelopment and loadBleedingEdget, but > I can not get it to work like in the video. > For me, the keyboard input stop working as soon as I start the bloc world. > And for me it opens another window in the background, what is it for? > > BTW how many developers working on bloc, just you two ? > > nicolai > > > > 2014-12-25 10:31 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: > > Le 25/12/14 03:04, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > Really nice to see your progress. Now do you have some sketches that show how it relates to the components of the existing Morphic? What is being disposed of, what reimplemented, what ported? > > I'm writing class comments and soon a chapter. But it takes time because I have to also do a bit of reverse engineering. > Now Bloc does not relate to Morphic :) Everything is rewritten from scratch and we will rewrite everything. > We will try to reuse Spec. > Now for default Morphic, rewritting all the morphs to use Athens > is a huge tasks considered the current logic of certain morphic elements > Since Bloc is fully athens-based, it may be better to only work on Bloc. > Now the trick is that we can use the morphic elements. > This would really help to understand where contributions might be useful. > > > btw, with Build 40419, "ConfigurationOfBloc load" warns that > it depends on BlEllipseShape which must be resolved before #drawOn: and #drawOnAthensCanvas: can be resolved. > > Yes this is normal, you should load bleedingEdge. > > > "ConfigurationOfBlock loadDevelopment" works fine. > > cheer -ben > > Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Yes, a nice X-Mas present ! > > On 24 Dec 2014, at 15:41, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > > Wow! Impressive!!! > > Alexandre > > > On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com <mailto:alain.plantec@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > Hello all, > > Iâve just uploaded a small demo of Bloc. > http://vimeo.com/115336678 <http://vimeo.com/115336678> > > > Cheers > Alain > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dec. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo

by Alain Plantec

> On 26 Dec 2014, at 07:09, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: >> >> see in TBlAthensWrapper>>unprotectedFullDrawOn: > > I can't see that class. I guess you mean BlAthensPasteUpMorph>>unprotectedFullDrawOn: Hi Ben, TBlAthensWrapper is the trait :) Alain > >> ---- >> self surface displayOnMorphicCanvas: aCanvas at: self position >> ââ >> It slows down the rendering very much. >> what would be cool would be to have a native Athens/Cairo vm display to really benefit from Athens. > >

Dec. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo

by Ben Coman

Alain Plantec wrote: >> On 25 Dec 2014, at 10:31, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> >> Le 25/12/14 03:04, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >>> Really nice to see your progress. Now do you have some sketches that show how it relates to the components of the existing Morphic? What is being disposed of, what reimplemented, what ported? > > yes, almost everything is new or rewritten and you are right, its time to write documentation. > Now, there is one well identified issue. > Athens is used to render everything except > the Morphic world. > This is cool but at the end of the rendering, the vm Form based display is used by wrappers : > see in TBlAthensWrapper>>unprotectedFullDrawOn: I can't see that class. I guess you mean BlAthensPasteUpMorph>>unprotectedFullDrawOn: > ---- > self surface displayOnMorphicCanvas: aCanvas at: self position > ââ > It slows down the rendering very much. > what would be cool would be to have a native Athens/Cairo vm display to really > benefit from Athens.

Dec. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Building UI

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Norbert, The standard image is using Spec in many places and there are examples (although pretty basic IMO). If you want to perform validation you can check a project I am working on, it's called "Query Builder" http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~hernan/QueryBuilder but you may want to have it as last resource because it lacks tests and examples, although I have been using it for a while without problems. For the events you can check (at least in Pharo 3.0) : ProtocolViewer new openWithSpec For a basic form layout in rows you could start from a DynamicComposableModel and then grow from there by specializing required Spec methods in a ComposableModel (#defaultSpec, #initializeWidgets, #title, #extent, etc): " Configure the Spec models " view := DynamicComposableModel new instantiateModels: #(labelA LabelModel textA TextInputFieldModel labelB LabelModel textB TextInputFieldModel); extent: 500@200; title: 'Title' yourself. " Configure the Spec layout " layout := SpecLayout composed newColumn: [ : r | r add: #labelA; add: #textA; add: #labelB; add: #textB ]; yourself. " Set up the widgets " view labelA text: 'A'. view labelB text: 'B'. " Open the Window " (view openDialogWithSpecLayout: layout) centered; modalRelativeTo: World. Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2014-12-25 16:02 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > Hernan, > > Am 25.12.2014 um 19:23 schrieb HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi Norbert, > Can you provide an example what do you expect to see? > > > nothing special. A windowed app with let's say 5 different text and other > entry fields (dates, numbers, geo coordinates,...). A modal dialog window > wouldn't harm. I want to see the way how to set up such an app, how the > layout is organized, how the components are wired for events and how the > input components are customized, > > Norbert > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2014-12-25 13:32 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > >> Is there a more complex example of a data entry ui in pharo? Spec would >> be ok but everything will do. >> >> thanks, >> >> Norbert >> >> >> >

Dec. 26, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo

by Nicolai Hess

I tried both, loadDevelopment and loadBleedingEdget, but I can not get it to work like in the video. For me, the keyboard input stop working as soon as I start the bloc world. And for me it opens another window in the background, what is it for? BTW how many developers working on bloc, just you two ? nicolai 2014-12-25 10:31 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > Le 25/12/14 03:04, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > >> Really nice to see your progress. Now do you have some sketches that >> show how it relates to the components of the existing Morphic? What is >> being disposed of, what reimplemented, what ported? >> > > I'm writing class comments and soon a chapter. But it takes time because I > have to also do a bit of reverse engineering. > Now Bloc does not relate to Morphic :) Everything is rewritten from > scratch and we will rewrite everything. > We will try to reuse Spec. > Now for default Morphic, rewritting all the morphs to use Athens > is a huge tasks considered the current logic of certain morphic elements > Since Bloc is fully athens-based, it may be better to only work on Bloc. > Now the trick is that we can use the morphic elements. > >> This would really help to understand where contributions might be useful. >> >> >> btw, with Build 40419, "ConfigurationOfBloc load" warns that >> it depends on BlEllipseShape which must be resolved before #drawOn: and >> #drawOnAthensCanvas: can be resolved. >> > > Yes this is normal, you should load bleedingEdge. > > >> "ConfigurationOfBlock loadDevelopment" works fine. >> >> cheer -ben >> >> Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> >>> Yes, a nice X-Mas present ! >>> >>> On 24 Dec 2014, at 15:41, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Wow! Impressive!!! >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> Iâve just uploaded a small demo of Bloc. >>>>> http://vimeo.com/115336678 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Alain >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >

Dec. 25, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Building UI

by Norbert Hartl

Hernan, > Am 25.12.2014 um 19:23 schrieb HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi Norbert, > Can you provide an example what do you expect to see? nothing special. A windowed app with let's say 5 different text and other entry fields (dates, numbers, geo coordinates,...). A modal dialog window wouldn't harm. I want to see the way how to set up such an app, how the layout is organized, how the components are wired for events and how the input components are customized, Norbert > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2014-12-25 13:32 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> Is there a more complex example of a data entry ui in pharo? Spec would be ok but everything will do. >> >> thanks, >> >> Norbert >> >> >

Dec. 25, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Building UI

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Norbert, Can you provide an example what do you expect to see? Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2014-12-25 13:32 GMT-03:00 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > Is there a more complex example of a data entry ui in pharo? Spec would be > ok but everything will do. > > thanks, > > Norbert > > >

Dec. 25, 2014

Building UI

by Norbert Hartl

Is there a more complex example of a data entry ui in pharo? Spec would be ok but everything will do. thanks, Norbert

Dec. 25, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo

by Ben Coman

stepharo wrote: > >> On some point, you will need to have some functional widgets. > Exact and since there is no magic we will start to write them. We > started to write a radio button and this led to a redesign of the core > and now we should be ready to try again. > > If you are not afraid about strange/bad/circumvoluted code have a look > at the code of PluggableButtonMorph (not talking about tableLayout > intrincaties). > So we will not copy Morphic! It will take time and if people want to > help they will be able to improve their future. > > Stef I went looking for some abstract widget info, but it difficult to find any. The most interesting taxonomy I found was... http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/rdf_model.svg http://usability.msu.edu/upload/events/WUD/2009/1b-Elledge.pdf cheers -ben > > >> Can we start to build our own UI using Bloc? >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >> >>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 25 Dec 2014, at 10:31, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 25/12/14 03:04, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >>>>> Really nice to see your progress. Now do you have some sketches >>>>> that show how it relates to the components of the existing Morphic? >>>>> What is being disposed of, what reimplemented, what ported? >>> yes, almost everything is new or rewritten and you are right, its >>> time to write documentation. >>> Now, there is one well identified issue. >>> Athens is used to render everything except >>> the Morphic world. >>> This is cool but at the end of the rendering, the vm Form based >>> display is used by wrappers : >>> see in TBlAthensWrapper>>unprotectedFullDrawOn: >>> ---- >>> self surface displayOnMorphicCanvas: aCanvas at: self position >>> ââ >>> It slows down the rendering very much. >>> what would be cool would be to have a native Athens/Cairo vm display >>> to really >>> benefit from Athens. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Alain >>> >>> >>>> I'm writing class comments and soon a chapter. But it takes time >>>> because I have to also do a bit of reverse engineering. >>>> Now Bloc does not relate to Morphic :) Everything is rewritten from >>>> scratch and we will rewrite everything. >>>> We will try to reuse Spec. >>>> Now for default Morphic, rewritting all the morphs to use Athens >>>> is a huge tasks considered the current logic of certain morphic >>>> elements >>>> Since Bloc is fully athens-based, it may be better to only work on >>>> Bloc. >>>> Now the trick is that we can use the morphic elements. >>>>> This would really help to understand where contributions might be >>>>> useful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> btw, with Build 40419, "ConfigurationOfBloc load" warns that >>>>> it depends on BlEllipseShape which must be resolved before #drawOn: >>>>> and #drawOnAthensCanvas: can be resolved. >>>> Yes this is normal, you should load bleedingEdge. >>>>> "ConfigurationOfBlock loadDevelopment" works fine. >>>>> >>>>> cheer -ben >>>>> >>>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>>>>> Yes, a nice X-Mas present ! >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 Dec 2014, at 15:41, Alexandre Bergel >>>>>>> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow! Impressive!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Alain Plantec >>>>>>>> <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Iâve just uploaded a small demo of Bloc. >>>>>>>> http://vimeo.com/115336678

Dec. 25, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo

by Peter Uhnak

This look really interesting! However is there any diagram showing how all the components (morphic, athens, spec, bloc, or even glamour and roassal) work together? At least to me it feels that there is some sort of overlapping. Is bloc replacing morphic? Peter -----Original Message----- From: "stepharo" <stepharo(a)free.fr> Sent: â12/â25/â2014 11:51 AM To: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] [Ann] a short Bloc demo > On some point, you will need to have some functional widgets. Exact and since there is no magic we will start to write them. We started to write a radio button and this led to a redesin of the core and now we should be ready to try again. If you are not afraid about strange/bad/circumvoluted code have a look at the code of PluggableButtonMorph (not talking about tableLayout intrincaties). So we will not copy Morphic! It will take time and if people want to help they will be able to improve their future. Stef > Can we start to build our own UI using Bloc? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > >> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 25 Dec 2014, at 10:31, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Le 25/12/14 03:04, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >>>> Really nice to see your progress. Now do you have some sketches that show how it relates to the components of the existing Morphic? What is being disposed of, what reimplemented, what ported? >> yes, almost everything is new or rewritten and you are right, its time to write documentation. >> Now, there is one well identified issue. >> Athens is used to render everything except >> the Morphic world. >> This is cool but at the end of the rendering, the vm Form based display is used by wrappers : >> see in TBlAthensWrapper>>unprotectedFullDrawOn: >> ---- >> self surface displayOnMorphicCanvas: aCanvas at: self position >> ââ >> It slows down the rendering very much. >> what would be cool would be to have a native Athens/Cairo vm display to really >> benefit from Athens. >> >> Cheers >> Alain >> >> >>> I'm writing class comments and soon a chapter. But it takes time because I have to also do a bit of reverse engineering. >>> Now Bloc does not relate to Morphic :) Everything is rewritten from scratch and we will rewrite everything. >>> We will try to reuse Spec. >>> Now for default Morphic, rewritting all the morphs to use Athens >>> is a huge tasks considered the current logic of certain morphic elements >>> Since Bloc is fully athens-based, it may be better to only work on Bloc. >>> Now the trick is that we can use the morphic elements. >>>> This would really help to understand where contributions might be useful. >>>> >>>> >>>> btw, with Build 40419, "ConfigurationOfBloc load" warns that >>>> it depends on BlEllipseShape which must be resolved before #drawOn: and #drawOnAthensCanvas: can be resolved. >>> Yes this is normal, you should load bleedingEdge. >>>> "ConfigurationOfBlock loadDevelopment" works fine. >>>> >>>> cheer -ben >>>> >>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>>>> Yes, a nice X-Mas present ! >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Dec 2014, at 15:41, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow! Impressive!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Alexandre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Iâve just uploaded a small demo of Bloc. >>>>>>> http://vimeo.com/115336678 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Alain >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>

Dec. 25, 2014