December 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by S Krish

What about joining up with Smalltalk Foundation , STIC and ESUG .. Though laudable an initiative in whatever form you launch it. Just may give it a better thrust if there is joining of hands. Smalltalk has not in the past gained with multiple directions / efforts. Pull all efforts in as much as possible single basket. Thanks and best wishes in the endeavour. On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:08 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Do a search for Smalltalk resources, such as books, videos, tutorials, > blogs, > etc., and you will face a virtual avalanche of material. This can be > overwhelming for Smalltalk newcomers to filter. > > Submit your favourite Smalltalk resources and I shall curate them and > choose > the best ones to place on our Resources page: > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/resources/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/resources/> > > Thanks. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797114.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Sebastian Sastre

And to inspire all, this talk from Bret Victor is addressing the humane aspect in a very effective way http://vimeo.com/115154289 I have the impression that Smalltalk would score high in a humane medium of expression evaluation ... and if our UI/UX would be seriously improved lead by designers, not engineers, then Smalltalk could skyrocket its score in humane expression of computing. LISP, and Clojure and Haskell are great but they will always have a high entry barrier due to taste acquisition of algebra as requisite. Smalltalk amazingly, eased that barrier while potentially allowing you the same computing power. So what if?... What if we partner with a design university that embraces this spirit (which is very friendly to them but they don't know)? What I see is that if we do that, we might have a chance to achieve the best path that Bret proposes in his talk. my 2 cents from mobile > On 27/12/2014, at 03:03, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and > Amber): > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> > > I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. > > My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around > which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming > weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). > > There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had > any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today > Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off > the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and > langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ > > Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, > not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing > criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software > engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't > think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Alexandre Bergel

Many languages I have never heard of are listed. What is missing to make Pharo listed here? Any idea? Cheers, Alexandre > On Dec 27, 2014, at 6:03 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and > Amber): > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> > > I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. > > My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around > which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming > weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). > > There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had > any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today > Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off > the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and > langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ > > Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, > not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing > criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software > engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't > think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Hilaire

Nice initiative Mr or Mrs Horrido. The more we talk about Smalltalk in several places the better. Hilaire Le 27/12/2014 06:03, horrido a Ã©crit : > I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and > Amber): > > http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ > <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> > > I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. > > My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around > which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming > weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). > > There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had > any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today > Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off > the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and > langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ > > Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, > not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing > criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software > engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't > think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Craig Latta

Hoi-- Who are you? Who is your audience? thanks, -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: regression of NaN comparison

by stepharo

We do it like that else we could get in really bad position. Now it means that the VM ci should report this error. Stef Le 26/12/14 23:25, Nicolas Cellier a Ã©crit : > > > 2014-12-26 23:07 GMT+01:00 ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com > <mailto:bera.clement@gmail.com>>: > > > > 2014-12-26 22:30 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Cellier > <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com > <mailto:nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com>>: > > > > 2014-12-26 19:02 GMT+01:00 ClÃ©ment Bera > <bera.clement(a)gmail.com <mailto:bera.clement@gmail.com>>: > > Hello, > > It does not happen with the Cog VM nor with older Pharo VM. > > It's a VM bug and it's specific to the Pharo-VM fork. > > Most probably it's because of the float refactoring for > Smallfloat some stuff got incorrectly merged. > > Please consider writing a test for that in FloatTest and > make a slice for Pharo if you have some time. > > > Thanks Clement, > > there's already a test that is failing > (FloatTest>>testNaNCompare). > > What I find amazing is that I did not find this failure on the > CI server... > > > That's because the CI server does not use the latest VM, but the > stable one... > > > Ah OK, the CI server is single bleeding-edge rather than double > (VM+image) which might be a reasonnable choice for separating concerns. > But that was misleading! > If downloading the artefact from the CI server serves you a different > version than tested... > > > > > 2014-12-26 18:35 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Cellier > <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com > <mailto:nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com>>: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Nicolas Cellier* > <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com > <mailto:nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com>> > Date: 2014-12-26 16:52 GMT+01:00 > Subject: regression of NaN comparison > To: Pharo Development > <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> > > > I downloaded latest Pharo4.0-mac.zip from > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/ > and I experienced a resurgence of this old bug: > > 2<Float nan. > > This is not one of the errors reported in the CI server. > Any clue? > > > > >

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Old inspector and explorer

by stepharo

> OK, I understand, but how is this different from any other radical changes that we did ? > > When we introduced the Eye inspectors we did not offer two options at the same time (and I can give 10s of examples). So what is best, we all together use and make the best tools, or we all work with different tools ? Inspecting is central and we have the right to get use to old ways and prefer them and decide when we want to learn something new. I will add basicInspect and be happy. I can even add it to my own image and do not even have to argue. BUt if I do that we will all have lost something. Note that I found boring that I cannot scroll in the new open pane without clicking on it, it defeats the smooth navigation. Why the GTInpsector pane still displays a timestamp? Stef

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Old inspector and explorer

by stepharo

Le 26/12/14 19:31, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > But sometimes I just want one tool to inspect or explore an object, > without multiple scrolling pages, maybe I am just used to it. And I WANT TO DECIDE WHEN!

Dec. 27, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

Do a search for Smalltalk resources, such as books, videos, tutorials, blogs, etc., and you will face a virtual avalanche of material. This can be overwhelming for Smalltalk newcomers to filter. Submit your favourite Smalltalk resources and I shall curate them and choose the best ones to place on our Resources page: http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/resources/ <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/resources/> Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797114.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2014

The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

I've launched a PR campaign to promote and advance the use of Smalltalk (and Amber): http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/ <http://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/> I am seeking the support of the Smalltalk community. My intention is to make Smalltalk Renaissance /a rallying point/ around which everyone can gather and contribute to this campaign. Over the coming weeks and months, I shall outline my plan (which is still evolving). There have been many prior attempts to popularize Smalltalk. None have had any traction. Despite the best efforts of the Smalltalk community, today Smalltalk has become a largely forgotten language. (Smalltalk has fallen off the cliff at the TIOBE index, and it ranks poorly at Redmonk and langpop.corger.nl.) /I am trying something different./ Smalltalk Renaissance is a PR campaign. It is trying to /market/ Smalltalk, not on the exclusive basis of /technical merit/, but also by addressing criticisms and generating excitement about the future of software engineering. It is an ambitious campaign, but in this business, if you don't think *big*, then don't bother wasting your time. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2014