December 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Source code formatting guidelines

by stepharo

Le 19/11/14 15:19, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > 2014-11-19 14:55 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr > <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>>: > > >> On 19 Nov 2014, at 14:47, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:i.uhnak@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> how Pharo source code is formatted >> >> One could argue that this is equivalent to the default settings >> of Pharo formatter. > > Which is not goodâ¦ e.g. it always adds too many line breaksâ¦ > > Marcus > > > If we can agree on source code guidelines, we should change the > default settings of the Pharo formatter accordingly. Yes I would love that. I nearly like the default formatter except that sometimes it creates too many line breaks. What we could do is to build a sample and go over it. Ideally I would like to have formatting as you type :). And concretely I would like to format all the code. I'm doing that when I change something.

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by stepharo

Guys you make me laugh. We built pharo to reinvent smalltalk (Since day one) and many people shout and cry because we do not want to say that this is a smalltalk and because it is not compatible. Now suddenly you show up (we pushed ESUG since 15 years BTW) telling us that we should all aggregate under the renaissance program (without really knowing what we are deeply doing) and now you criticize that nobody on Smalltalk is doing innovation. So let me tell you this: - adhesion and trust is based on actions in open-source world (So the ball is in your camp). - if I would have got the money that alan got for his projects, Pharo would not be like it is now but way better. There is a pharo roadmap (you may find it interesting) and we are steadily addressing it. We should write the new version of the Pharo vision. - Pharo is not Smalltalk and we are doing it our way. We want to make sure that people can get a living building applications with Pharo. - We are not just creating a language. We are creating an ecosystem with companies and universities. Here my piece of advices: - doing takes a lot more energy than talking, so think in terms of milestones: "what should I do if I do not get the energy to push it during years?" - there are plenty of ways to help but you have to decide. What you want to do. -- reading books -- writing tutorials -- blogging (but I agree I always pay attention about what I blog/twit) -- develop libraries Stef Le 29/12/14 01:36, horrido a Ã©crit : > Bret Victor's talk is certainly interesting. This got me thinking... > > What we need is a modern-day PARC with a /next generation/ of visionaries to > advance Smalltalk. They would carry on the work that was begun four decades > ago. > > Here's the thing: The Smalltalk environment has not fundamentally changed > or improved since the Xerox PARC days. We've been tweaking the design here > and there, but nothing groundbreaking has happened. > > Is the current Smalltalk environment the /final word/ on the nature of > dynamic programming and humane representation of thought? I seriously doubt > it. > > Who are the visionaries that will shake things up? How do we find them? > > Let's face it: We've all become rather complacent. (With the exception of > Newspeak, which frankly doesn't impress me much. *We don't need a new > language!*) > > This is something Smalltalk Renaissance should think about. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797243.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Artefact green on CI

by stepharo

Thanks Stephan. We missed the last bits stupidly. Le 29/12/14 02:03, stephan(a)stack.nl a Ã©crit : > Name: ConfigurationOfArtefact-StephanEggermont.15 > Author: StephanEggermont > Time: 29 December 2014, 12:21:30.768 am > UUID: f55adfa3-0a60-4695-be30-9dd2320cd944 > Ancestors: ConfigurationOfArtefact-OlivierAuverlot.14 > > Promoted new version 1.4 to stable as current stable is broken, adding > a Pharo20 compatibility package > > Name: Artefact-Pharo20-StephanEggermont.1 > Author: StephanEggermont > Time: 29 December 2014, 12:10:05.696 am > UUID: e8475459-0316-4eca-a707-a1c5982ed650 > Ancestors: > > convenience methods max: flattened, flattenOn: to make build green > >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by S Krish

Inlined notes I agree nothing earth shaking is happening in Smalltalk in just the 6 months, but over the last 4 yrs it is a quite a shift in Pharo. Hats off to all active contributers. I quite disagree... on the fact nothing is happening. While all intellectually inclined love the idea of creating anew something ground breaking, it is in current decade more important to ensure we create relevant technology not just for the sake of claiming high ground. Wolfram , Google, FB may be creating their islands of tech bubbles and that may take the world too, but they have the billions I guess to afford. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:06 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bret Victor's talk is certainly interesting. This got me thinking... > > What we need is a modern-day PARC with a /next generation/ of visionaries > to > advance Smalltalk. They would carry on the work that was begun four decades > ago. > > Here's the thing: The Smalltalk environment has not fundamentally changed > or improved since the Xerox PARC days. We've been tweaking the design here > and there, but nothing groundbreaking has happened. > > Is the current Smalltalk environment the /final word/ on the nature of > dynamic programming and humane representation of thought? I seriously doubt > it. > > Who are the visionaries that will shake things up? How do we find them? > Stephane Ducasse and team are visionaries in as much as Pharo is shaking things up on Smalltalk world . Lots of new things have already been charted out, of course the tough grind of actually cleaning and providing a meaningful free Smalltalk environment for the enterprise world is a gargantuan task and I see it as being reached gradually in Pharo. That will itself be etched in history 10 yrs later as a great achievement. > > Let's face it: We've all become rather complacent. (With the exception of > Newspeak, which frankly doesn't impress me much. *We don't need a new > language!*) > > For four years I have seen the kind of energy/ enthusiasm unmatched in the last decade or more in Pharo resurgence. Free Enterprise Smalltalk, is about arriving in the IT industry.. just some honchos need to weave it in. > This is something Smalltalk Renaissance should think about. > > Much said and done in Pharo, there is nothing stopping any group in > creating something more powerful / relevant and leave the footprints in the > sands of time more firmly etched. I agree again there is lot of scope > provided that group does it.. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797243.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by Sebastian Sastre

Completely agree Richard. In this talk Alan Kay address that point: The Future Doesn't Have to Be Incremental https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAghAJcO1o <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAghAJcO1o> Even if we have the visionaries, as in that talk is explained, you need funding to get them working on the vision. I donât know if our community has enough millionaires to make that happen, so far doesnât look like it. Or.. we didnât explore that path well enough > On Dec 28, 2014, at 10:36 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Bret Victor's talk is certainly interesting. This got me thinking... > > What we need is a modern-day PARC with a /next generation/ of visionaries to > advance Smalltalk. They would carry on the work that was begun four decades > ago. > > Here's the thing: The Smalltalk environment has not fundamentally changed > or improved since the Xerox PARC days. We've been tweaking the design here > and there, but nothing groundbreaking has happened. > > Is the current Smalltalk environment the /final word/ on the nature of > dynamic programming and humane representation of thought? I seriously doubt > it. > > Who are the visionaries that will shake things up? How do we find them? > > Let's face it: We've all become rather complacent. (With the exception of > Newspeak, which frankly doesn't impress me much. *We don't need a new > language!*) > > This is something Smalltalk Renaissance should think about. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797243.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 29, 2014

Artefact green on CI

by stephan＠stack.nl

Name: ConfigurationOfArtefact-StephanEggermont.15 Author: StephanEggermont Time: 29 December 2014, 12:21:30.768 am UUID: f55adfa3-0a60-4695-be30-9dd2320cd944 Ancestors: ConfigurationOfArtefact-OlivierAuverlot.14 Promoted new version 1.4 to stable as current stable is broken, adding a Pharo20 compatibility package Name: Artefact-Pharo20-StephanEggermont.1 Author: StephanEggermont Time: 29 December 2014, 12:10:05.696 am UUID: e8475459-0316-4eca-a707-a1c5982ed650 Ancestors: convenience methods max: flattened, flattenOn: to make build green

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] The Smalltalk Renaissance Program

by horrido

Bret Victor's talk is certainly interesting. This got me thinking... What we need is a modern-day PARC with a /next generation/ of visionaries to advance Smalltalk. They would carry on the work that was begun four decades ago. Here's the thing: The Smalltalk environment has not fundamentally changed or improved since the Xerox PARC days. We've been tweaking the design here and there, but nothing groundbreaking has happened. Is the current Smalltalk environment the /final word/ on the nature of dynamic programming and humane representation of thought? I seriously doubt it. Who are the visionaries that will shake things up? How do we find them? Let's face it: We've all become rather complacent. (With the exception of Newspeak, which frankly doesn't impress me much. *We don't need a new language!*) This is something Smalltalk Renaissance should think about. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-Smalltalk-Renaissance-Program-tp4797112p4797243.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] On Twitter

by horrido

It would be really nice if we could create a Smalltalk video on Youtube that /goes viral/. Unfortunately, this is not something that can be done on demand. And it takes some very clever imagination (or a genuine character of a filmmaker). After all, technological subjects tend to be rather staid. ;-) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/On-Twitter-tp4797177p4797240.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 28, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] What do you call someone who writes Pharo code?

by stepharo

Tx Phil. I'm proud too :) > Someone who can stand by its choices and doesn't care what the > mainstream thinks. > > I like Pharoer, it rhymes with outlier. > > Jokes aside, Pharo is solid for commercial work. > > We need to enhance the command line tooling and the scaling > facilities, which is definitely doable and not a problem of Pharo by > itself. > > I am proud to be a Pharoer. > > Phil

Dec. 28, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] On Twitter

by stepharo

https://twitter.com/stephaneducasse

Dec. 28, 2014