November 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Online Labs ARM cloud server ?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 14 Nov 2014, at 01:02, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Sven, > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > I just saw this: http://labs.online.net which offers real ARM cloud servers (15 minutes for free to try out) [they're French]. This is Ubuntu 14.10 on ARMv7. > > Naturally I wanted to try Pharo on such a machine. > > The base question is, where do I get the latest and best VM to try this ? > > Doug McPherson is building Stack VMs for ARMv6 and ARMv7 for both Cog and Spur and uploading them to my site. These VMs should run Pharo. See e.g. http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r3126/ I tried that and it does not seem to work: ubuntu@c1-10-1-16-102:~$ ls Pharo.changes Pharo.image PharoV30.sources stklinuxhtARM stklinuxhtARMv7-14.45.3126.tgz ubuntu@c1-10-1-16-102:~$ ./stklinuxhtARM/bin/squeak -vm-display-null Pharo.image printVersion pthread_setschedparam failed: Operation not permitted Read e.g. http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r3126/README.3126 Maybe their system is special, I don't know, it feels pretty standard, running the latest Ubuntu. I noticed the 'ht' in the VM name, is there no 'normal' one ? I will try on a Raspberry Pi as well. > Maybe a complete & easy to use source tree that can be compiled locally ? > > That's the case for http://www.squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/branches/Cog. See http://www.squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/branches/Cog/build.linux32ARM > > And would it make sense to add some ARM option to get.pharo.org ? > > Thx, > > Sven > > > > -- > best, > Eliot

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Online Labs ARM cloud server ?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 14 Nov 2014, at 10:54, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I would be interested to know, too. JB did a fine job building a StackVM including an ARM fastbitblt. I have it running on my raspberry. It would good to know how to work of Doug is related to JBs work. And of course we are waiting for Tim Rowledge to release Cog for ARM. Me too, I would like to understand the situation. And we need a good place (simple page somewhere) that is maintained and that has instructions on how/where to get an ARM VM. > Norbert > >> Am 14.11.2014 um 09:46 schrieb stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: >> >> JB has some jenkins job but I do not know their status. >> JB? >> Stef >> >> On 13/11/14 23:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just saw this: http://labs.online.net which offers real ARM cloud servers (15 minutes for free to try out) [they're French]. This is Ubuntu 14.10 on ARMv7. >>> >>> Naturally I wanted to try Pharo on such a machine. >>> >>> The base question is, where do I get the latest and best VM to try this ? >>> >>> Maybe a complete & easy to use source tree that can be compiled locally ? >>> >>> And would it make sense to add some ARM option to get.pharo.org ? >>> >>> Thx, >>> >>> Sven >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Launcher for Windows

by Ben Coman

Thierry Goubier wrote: > > > 2014-11-14 9:57 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de > <mailto:nicolaihess@web.de>>: > > 2014-11-14 9:29 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>: > > Hi all, > > does anybody knows if the Pharo Launcher is working in Windows? > I tried on different Windows 7 machines, but it would work nor I presume you meant... I tried on different Windows 7 machines, but it would NOT work nor :) > give any error message at all. > > (Note: Pharo3 windows distribution did work). > > Thanks, > > Thierry > > > > I use pharolauncher on windows. At home I used the pharolauncher > windows installer once. I don't remember if this > still works. Currently I use the a normal pharo vm and the > pharolauncher image. > > > Yes, I would suspect this would work (using a normal Pharo vm and the > PharoLauncher image) but I would have liked to use the PharoLauncher as > the gateway to install a specific Pharo image from Jenkins, and it won't > work that way. > > I basically have an issue for installing Pharo for the lecture I do > (configuration management in both places I teach is rather poor) and I > was trying windows for a change :( > > Thierry > I also have no problem using PharoLauncher on Windows - but I installed it a long time ago. I'll try to find a clean OS to try it on. btw, Have you tried loading PharoLauncher from ConfigurationBrowser? (not that I've tried it) cheers -ben

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ValueHolder analysis

by stepharo

> This is something I'm interested in too. I thought that this was a > design decision between a) and b) > a) you can have single announcer to whom you would subscribe and then > manually filter each fired event whether it something that interests > the listener > b) subscribe directly to the object you're interested in so when an > event is fired you can act on it straight away > (is there another option c), d), e) ... which I don't see?) > Wouldn't be b) much, much, much faster? I can't imagine that every > time one ValueHolder would change every one observer of common > ValueHolder announcer would have to check whether it's event from the > observed ValueHolder. > And I would imagine a) being little bit more versatile... for example > I have a model composed of elements (element has direct reference to > the owning model) and every time an element changes I need model to > know it - I can either subscribe to every one of them (and unsub when > they are removed), or I could have one common announcer and then the > model would check whether it owns said element. > > But I would be interested in hearing other problems/advantages that > would arise from choosing one over the other. We could have a special valueholder that is held at the level of the applicationModel in spec. Now Nautilus leaking memory. when I open latest Pharo I get 30 then open nautilus once 700! then close nautilus there are not gone then open nautilus once more > > Peter

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ValueHolder analysis

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

This is something I'm interested in too. I thought that this was a design decision between a) and b) a) you can have single announcer to whom you would subscribe and then manually filter each fired event whether it something that interests the listener b) subscribe directly to the object you're interested in so when an event is fired you can act on it straight away (is there another option c), d), e) ... which I don't see?) Wouldn't be b) much, much, much faster? I can't imagine that every time one ValueHolder would change every one observer of common ValueHolder announcer would have to check whether it's event from the observed ValueHolder. And I would imagine a) being little bit more versatile... for example I have a model composed of elements (element has direct reference to the owning model) and every time an element changes I need model to know it - I can either subscribe to every one of them (and unsub when they are removed), or I could have one common announcer and then the model would check whether it owns said element. But I would be interested in hearing other problems/advantages that would arise from choosing one over the other. Peter

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ValueHolder analysis

by stepharo

In VW the dependency transformer (which is the equivalent to Announcer) is held in the dependent list. So may be this is similar. 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Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Launcher for Windows

by Thierry Goubier

2014-11-14 9:57 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de>: > 2014-11-14 9:29 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi all, >> >> does anybody knows if the Pharo Launcher is working in Windows? I tried >> on different Windows 7 machines, but it would work nor give any error >> message at all. >> >> (Note: Pharo3 windows distribution did work). >> >> Thanks, >> >> Thierry >> > > > I use pharolauncher on windows. At home I used the pharolauncher windows > installer once. I don't remember if this > still works. Currently I use the a normal pharo vm and the pharolauncher > image. > Yes, I would suspect this would work (using a normal Pharo vm and the PharoLauncher image) but I would have liked to use the PharoLauncher as the gateway to install a specific Pharo image from Jenkins, and it won't work that way. I basically have an issue for installing Pharo for the lecture I do (configuration management in both places I teach is rather poor) and I was trying windows for a change :( Thierry

Nov. 14, 2014

ValueHolder analysis

by Alain Plantec

Hi guys (this is stef hijacking the account of alain). I was puzzled by the fact that each value holder has its own announcer. Iâm trying to understand the pros and cons. 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Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo on Online Labs ARM cloud server ?

by Norbert Hartl

I would be interested to know, too. JB did a fine job building a StackVM including an ARM fastbitblt. I have it running on my raspberry. It would good to know how to work of Doug is related to JBs work. And of course we are waiting for Tim Rowledge to release Cog for ARM. Norbert > Am 14.11.2014 um 09:46 schrieb stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > JB has some jenkins job but I do not know their status. > JB? > Stef > > On 13/11/14 23:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just saw this: http://labs.online.net which offers real ARM cloud servers (15 minutes for free to try out) [they're French]. This is Ubuntu 14.10 on ARMv7. >> >> Naturally I wanted to try Pharo on such a machine. >> >> The base question is, where do I get the latest and best VM to try this ? >> >> Maybe a complete & easy to use source tree that can be compiled locally ? >> >> And would it make sense to add some ARM option to get.pharo.org ? >> >> Thx, >> >> Sven >> > >

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo Launcher for Windows

by Nicolai Hess

2014-11-14 9:29 GMT+01:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > Hi all, > > does anybody knows if the Pharo Launcher is working in Windows? I tried on > different Windows 7 machines, but it would work nor give any error message > at all. > > (Note: Pharo3 windows distribution did work). > > Thanks, > > Thierry > I use pharolauncher on windows. At home I used the pharolauncher windows installer once. I don't remember if this still works. Currently I use the a normal pharo vm and the pharolauncher image.

Nov. 14, 2014