October 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] **Important** PharoDays Preparation

by phil＠highoctane.be

I am in. Phil Le 29 oct. 2014 11:47, "stepharo" <stepharo(a)free.fr> a Ã©crit : > Hi guys > > We will organize at Lille the 29 and 30 of January PharoDays. > Now to help us building a budget I would like to know if you already know > that you plan to attend the conference. > Could you fill up the doodle > > http://doodle.com/icxtazwfq76caxf8 > > Stef > >

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 in Pharo GTInspector

by Tudor Girba

If you load the GTInspector (not just Glamour), you should get all packages updated. Could you try that? Doru On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Ok, > > but when I load all glamour, I end up with an error when opening inspector > because there is no such class as: GLMTabSelectorBrick. > > Uko > > On 29 Oct 2014, at 13:07, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > You should load the default group of the ConfigurationOfGTInspector. This > will load Roassal2, the binding with Glamour and the inspector extensions > that use Roassal2. > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What should I do to be able to use roassal2 representation on Pharo? >> Because Iâve tried to load Roassal2 group form ConfigurationOfGlamour, but >> then it loads newer version of glamour which breaks in some way the >> inspector. >> >> Uko >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal2 in Pharo GTInspector

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Ok, but when I load all glamour, I end up with an error when opening inspector because there is no such class as: GLMTabSelectorBrick. Uko > On 29 Oct 2014, at 13:07, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > You should load the default group of the ConfigurationOfGTInspector. This will load Roassal2, the binding with Glamour and the inspector extensions that use Roassal2. > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > What should I do to be able to use roassal2 representation on Pharo? Because Iâve tried to load Roassal2 group form ConfigurationOfGlamour, but then it loads newer version of glamour which breaks in some way the inspector. > > Uko > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com/> > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] AioPlugin is back in linux VMs

by Tudor Girba

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You do not have to see it, is an internal plugin. > Is like the sun, even if you do not see it he is there :P Is this what you tell yourself during the Lille autumn days? :) Doru > > > On 29 Oct 2014, at 15:43, mikefilonov <mikefilonov(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Esteban, > > > > I feel stupid to ask but I downloaded the latest VM from > > http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/ and I can't find this plugin. I > also > > checked CI job at > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/PharoVM/Architecture=32,Slave=vm-builder-linu… > > but no luck there too. > > > > Could you please advise me where I should download the latest VM? > > > > Thank you for your job! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/AioPlugin-is-back-in-linux-VMs-tp4787238p4787453.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] AioPlugin is back in linux VMs

by Esteban Lorenzano

You do not have to see it, is an internal plugin. Is like the sun, even if you do not see it he is there :P > On 29 Oct 2014, at 15:43, mikefilonov <mikefilonov(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > I feel stupid to ask but I downloaded the latest VM from > http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/ and I can't find this plugin. I also > checked CI job at > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/PharoVM/Architecture=32,Slave=vm-builder-linu… > but no luck there too. > > Could you please advise me where I should download the latest VM? > > Thank you for your job! > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/AioPlugin-is-back-in-linux-VMs-tp4787238p4787453.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] AioPlugin is back in linux VMs

by mikefilonov

Hi Esteban, I feel stupid to ask but I downloaded the latest VM from http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/ and I can't find this plugin. I also checked CI job at https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/PharoVM/Architecture=32,Slave=vm-builder-linu… but no luck there too. Could you please advise me where I should download the latest VM? Thank you for your job! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/AioPlugin-is-back-in-linux-VMs-tp4787238p4787453.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] LivingCode was: Clickable class side example and initialize methods in Pharo 4.0

by Thierry Goubier

2014-10-24 19:27 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > kilon.alios wrote > > Dont know what you feed this monster but it took forever to load on Pharo > > 4 > > and now it gives me the error MNU receiver of "do:" is nil > > Yes I should've mentioned that I've only tested on 3.0. > > > kilon.alios wrote > > Are you serious about this project or its just a little experiment for > you > > ? > > I'm serious. I want this to be my only development tool. > Then I'd be interested in what you end up with. When you focus on making something different your full time IDE, it ends up being an interesting exercise. > I remember how weak the old System Browser felt compared to OmniBrowser, > and > eagerly anticipated Nautilus. When it arrived I was in a very different > place after researching the principles behind revolutionary systems > SketchPad, Self, Morphic and others. So I realized that the real barrier to > my expression was not the quality of the browser, but the browser concept > itself. A browser, for me, is just too abstract, and keeps my mental model > too far removed from "sending messages to live objects". > I've been using Self as my main development environment for a few years, when I was doing my PhD. The idea was great, but something in the execution was getting in the way of efficient coding (or my efficient coding, I don't remember which). Looking at the newspeak GUI and there is something of the same nature, but I can't point out what. I've been thinking carefully and going very slowly because there are so many > ideas that it's easy to get lost trying to reinvent everything at once. I > don't really know the next step until I live with the system for a while in > each stage. Although I think once code editing and graph layout are > implemented, there will be a reasonable foundation. > Keep working on it! Thierry > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/LivingCode-was-Clickable-class-side-example-and-initi… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Super fast delay

by Ben Coman

Norbert Hartl wrote: > I have a report that it doesn't work on a linux desktop either. So at least there is one case where it does not work in a non-virtualized environment. Maybe interesting: > > root@2d-misc:/opt/mock-server# time pharo-vm-nox ./Pharo.image eval "(Delay forSeconds: 5) wait. (Delay forSeconds: 10) wait" > a Delay(10000 msecs) > > real 0m10.185s > user 0m0.268s > sys 0m0.040s > > Norbert btw, coincidently I am working on refactoring Delay in two respects... Part 1. Delay class-side timer-priority-process methods are moved to instance side of new class DelayScheduler. Nominally this is to facilitate adding tests for Delay, and provide alternative forms of delay scheduling (e.g. mutex, semaphore, waitfree, spinlock). https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14261 Part 2. change interthread synchronsiation for delay scheduling from Mutex to Semaphore https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14344 Hopefully have Part2 done in a couple of days and it will be interesting to see whether this has any beneficial effect here. In the meantime, Part 1 may help you experiment without interfering with the normal operation of the system. In any case I'd be grateful for some feedback on Part 1. This effectively hasn't changed any functionality or the order of executing code. Its only moved code between a few methods. It would be great to pair up live with someone interested in it. cheers -ben > >> Am 28.10.2014 um 22:56 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: >> >> I am pretty sure that it is related to virtual hardware, it seems to work reliably on my mac: >> >> prometheus:pharo4 sven$ ./pharo Pharo.image printVersion >> [version] 4.0 #40322 >> >> prometheus:pharo4 sven$ time ./pharo Pharo.image eval '5 seconds asDelay wait' >> a Delay(5000 msecs) >> >> real 0m5.504s >> user 0m0.491s >> sys 0m0.440s >> >> prometheus:pharo4 sven$ time ./pharo Pharo.image eval '5 seconds asDelay wait' >> a Delay(5000 msecs) >> >> real 0m5.539s >> user 0m0.408s >> sys 0m0.166s >> >> prometheus:pharo4 sven$ time ./pharo Pharo.image eval '5 seconds asDelay wait' >> a Delay(5000 msecs) >> >> real 0m6.022s >> user 0m0.647s >> sys 0m0.442s >> >> prometheus:pharo4 sven$ time ./pharo Pharo.image eval '5 seconds asDelay wait' >> a Delay(5000 msecs) >> >> real 0m5.539s >> user 0m0.518s >> sys 0m0.440s >> >> But how it can work so completely bogus on virtual hardware beats me. >> >>> On 28 Oct 2014, at 20:21, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> >>> VMWare Workstation 10 on Win8.1 Pro >>> PharoVM compiled on CentOS6.5 >>> >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.473s <-- not much... >>> user 0m0.285s >>> sys 0m0.140s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.360s <-- not much either >>> user 0m0.257s >>> sys 0m0.095s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.374s >>> user 0m0.269s >>> sys 0m0.103s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m5.324s >>> user 0m0.338s >>> sys 0m0.067s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ ^C <--- FROZEN!!!! >>> >>> >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.468s >>> user 0m0.287s >>> sys 0m0.171s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.639s >>> user 0m0.281s >>> sys 0m0.233s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.331s >>> user 0m0.260s >>> sys 0m0.066s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.493s >>> user 0m0.265s >>> sys 0m0.210s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.343s >>> user 0m0.258s >>> sys 0m0.073s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.352s >>> user 0m0.314s >>> sys 0m0.035s >>> [philippeback@CENTOSDEV zeroconf-centos]$ time ./pharo-vm/pharo -vm-display-null Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.303s >>> user 0m0.266s >>> sys 0m0.032s >>> >>> >>> Completely un[reliable|predictable]... >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> # time ./pharo Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m0.696s >>> user 0m0.580s >>> sys 0m0.060s >>> >>> # time ./pharo Pharo.image eval '5 asSeconds asDelay wait' >>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>> >>> real 0m5.755s >>> user 0m0.812s >>> sys 0m0.080s >>> >>> Weird ! >>> >>> Must have something todo with virtual hardware ... >>> >>>> On 28 Oct 2014, at 18:24, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just recognized that Delay is working in a strange way on my linux box >>>> >>>> $ time pharo-vm-nox ./Pharo.image eval "(Delay forSeconds: 5) wait" >>>> a Delay(5000 msecs) >>>> >>>> real 0m0.158s >>>> user 0m0.136s >>>> sys 0m0.020s >>>> >>>> I use the vm from the ppa. What do you get when you execute it? >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Way to embed efficiently data?

by Paul DeBruicker

philippeback wrote > Could be nice... > > http://blog.bittorrent.com/2013/05/23/how-i-created-my-own-personal-cloud-u… > > Phil If you go that route don't install ownCloud via the repositories: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-October/038522.html Instead use their offical versions -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Way-to-embed-efficiently-data-tp4786769p4787445.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 29, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

by GitHub

Branch: refs/tags/40337 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Oct. 29, 2014