October 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 16 Oct 2014, at 22:34, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > I too miss the old workspace sometimes. > Mostly for "printIt". > Playgrounds printIt-popup is good, but sometimes I want exactly that: "print it". > On "Esc", the popup closes , but the code is still selected. Most of the time I > want to go on typing, but first I have to unselect the code. > > Suggestions: > on "Esc" close the popup and unselect the current selection > > Good point. +1 > on "Enter" insert the printIt-result. > > Indeed, this is something I thought of, too. However, I am not convinced that the frequency of needing to insert the result of "print it" warrants a shortcut that can be so easily use (i.e., Enter can be used also for adding a line). Right now, if you want to insert, you do Cmd+c, Esc, Cmd+v. +1 I also don't think 'Print It' is not that common, and if you use it you want the output to be in a comment anyway so the syntax highlighting doesn't make everything red. I also wanted to add that the whole idea of GT-Tools is to do a lot and even more powerful things based on a few simple concepts. We are currently making lots of small usability changes, which is all good, but we have to guard the simplicity.

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Tudor Girba

I do not quite understand. Could you elaborate such a case? (I am not being thick headed, I just did not encounter this case, so I would like to know more about it) Doru On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Indeed, the print it can surely be improved. > Since I am using GTInspector, I often open a transcript and do "myObject > logCrâ > I usually do this to have a string representation, useful to insert in > source code. > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > I too miss the old workspace sometimes. > Mostly for "printIt". > Playgrounds printIt-popup is good, but sometimes I want exactly that: > "print it". > On "Esc", the popup closes , but the code is still selected. Most of the > time I > want to go on typing, but first I have to unselect the code. > > Suggestions: > on "Esc" close the popup and unselect the current selection > on "Enter" insert the printIt-result. > > > > > > > > 2014-10-16 21:36 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> I do not quite understand this point of view. If you do not use "Go", >> there is no right side. >> >> What do you mean by CLI? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> wrote: >> >>> I'd like to have the old workspace as it is for quick commands and as a >>> kind of CLI where I do not need all the noise of the right part of the >>> playground. >>> >>> And the playground for what it is meant to do. >>> >>> These two things are *not* for the same use case. >>> >>> >>> âPhil >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoNOS

by Torsten Bergmann

Yes, I tried in VirtualBox. Same issues here: used OSProcess to query for the DHCP given IP address and noticed that AioPlugin is not available. I like that it is a naked Pharo 3.0 image. So I would not preload the command shell - one can easily provide a config in the config browser for additional things or load an own config via script/network. So one could adopt to its own needs with a simple additional loading (like switching to themes, logo, ...). And yes: keyboard layout switching is required. Really nice! Can the ISO image building get automated so we can have a CI script that builds an ISO for Pharo 3.0, current 4.0 and others ... Â Thx T.Â Gesendet:Â Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2014 um 22:07 Uhr Von:Â "phil(a)highoctane.be" <phil(a)highoctane.be> An:Â "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Betreff:Â Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoNOS Downloaded the iso and started a VM. Â Works well. Â What would be nice: Â - a PharoVM with AioPlugin so that CommandShell works nicer. - a preloaded CommandShell - a way to configure the keyboard to another layout Â and... a Dark/DawnTheme and a wicked cool logo for the background! Â Configurations are loading without trouble. Â Congratulations on that sweet idea and materialization. Â PhilÂ On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote:Hi, I just found http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/mikefilonov/pharonos[http://pillarhub.p… Mike: can you comment a little bit on it here on the pharo lists? Thx T. Â

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Alexandre Bergel

Indeed, the print it can surely be improved. Since I am using GTInspector, I often open a transcript and do "myObject logCrâ I usually do this to have a string representation, useful to insert in source code. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > I too miss the old workspace sometimes. > Mostly for "printIt". > Playgrounds printIt-popup is good, but sometimes I want exactly that: "print it". > On "Esc", the popup closes , but the code is still selected. Most of the time I > want to go on typing, but first I have to unselect the code. > > Suggestions: > on "Esc" close the popup and unselect the current selection > on "Enter" insert the printIt-result. > > > > > > > > 2014-10-16 21:36 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi, > > I do not quite understand this point of view. If you do not use "Go", there is no right side. > > What do you mean by CLI? > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I'd like to have the old workspace as it is for quick commands and as a kind of CLI where I do not need all the noise of the right part of the playground. > > And the playground for what it is meant to do. > > These two things are *not* for the same use case. > > > âPhil > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Tudor Girba

Hi Nicolai, On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > I too miss the old workspace sometimes. > Mostly for "printIt". > Playgrounds printIt-popup is good, but sometimes I want exactly that: > "print it". > On "Esc", the popup closes , but the code is still selected. Most of the > time I > want to go on typing, but first I have to unselect the code. > > Suggestions: > on "Esc" close the popup and unselect the current selection > Good point. > on "Enter" insert the printIt-result. > Indeed, this is something I thought of, too. However, I am not convinced that the frequency of needing to insert the result of "print it" warrants a shortcut that can be so easily use (i.e., Enter can be used also for adding a line). Right now, if you want to insert, you do Cmd+c, Esc, Cmd+v. Cheers, Doru > > > > > > > 2014-10-16 21:36 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> I do not quite understand this point of view. If you do not use "Go", >> there is no right side. >> >> What do you mean by CLI? >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> >> wrote: >> >>> I'd like to have the old workspace as it is for quick commands and as a >>> kind of CLI where I do not need all the noise of the right part of the >>> playground. >>> >>> And the playground for what it is meant to do. >>> >>> These two things are *not* for the same use case. >>> >>> >>> âPhil >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Nicolai Hess

I too miss the old workspace sometimes. Mostly for "printIt". Playgrounds printIt-popup is good, but sometimes I want exactly that: "print it". On "Esc", the popup closes , but the code is still selected. Most of the time I want to go on typing, but first I have to unselect the code. Suggestions: on "Esc" close the popup and unselect the current selection on "Enter" insert the printIt-result. 2014-10-16 21:36 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > Hi, > > I do not quite understand this point of view. If you do not use "Go", > there is no right side. > > What do you mean by CLI? > > Cheers, > Doru > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> I'd like to have the old workspace as it is for quick commands and as a >> kind of CLI where I do not need all the noise of the right part of the >> playground. >> >> And the playground for what it is meant to do. >> >> These two things are *not* for the same use case. >> >> >> âPhil >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoNOS

by phil＠highoctane.be

Downloaded the iso and started a VM. Works well. What would be nice: - a PharoVM with AioPlugin so that CommandShell works nicer. - a preloaded CommandShell - a way to configure the keyboard to another layout and... a Dark/DawnTheme and a wicked cool logo for the background! Configurations are loading without trouble. Congratulations on that sweet idea and materialization. Phil On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I just found http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/mikefilonov/pharonos > > Mike: can you comment a little bit on it here on the pharo lists? > > Thx > T. > >

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Mysteries of the compiler

by Nicolai Hess

2014-10-16 17:40 GMT+02:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > >> > >> While in the write we need to mark: > >> > >> lookupVariableForWrite: aVariableNode > >> > >> | var | > >> > >> var := scope lookupVar: aVariableNode name. > >> > >> var ifNil: [^var]. > >> var isSpecialVariable ifTrue: [ self storeIntoSpecialVariable: > aVariableNode ]. > >> var isWritable ifFalse: [ self storeIntoReadOnlyVariable: > aVariableNode ]. > >> > >> var isTemp ifTrue: [ > >> "when in a loop, all writes escape" > >> scope outerScope isInsideOptimizedLoop ifTrue: [ var > markEscapingWrite ]. > >> "else only escaping when they will end up in different > closures" > >> (var scope outerNotOptimizedScope ~= scope > outerNotOptimizedScope) > >> ifTrue: [ var markEscapingWrite]]. > >> ^var > >> > >> > >> I checked that all Opal tests that are failing are actually testing > wrong, and I double checked > >> that all those methods are now compiled like with the old old compilerâ¦ > >> Now recompilng the image. > > > > Hmmâ¦ nopeâ¦. something wrong. > > > > the âouterScopeâ was wrong. > > So without that, I can recompile the image and your example is compiled > without temp vectorsâ¦ > > Marcus > good! I'll open an issue on fogbugz and create a slice with your changes. about reordering of tempvars: It would be nice if the order preserves, but I think we can live with it. Although there is an issue with the debugger: 14058 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?14058> Inconsistent information in debugger I solved that one by using tempvar names instead if the index, but this has another issue (sometimes the last (or most nested) tempvar is always nil). The real error is, EyeDebuggerContextInspector does recognizes if the index changes (somewhere in EyeDebuggerContextInspector>>#updateList it compares the new elements (with new indices) with the old elements list and skips the update)

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoNOS

by phil＠highoctane.be

Ah, very cool. I was thinking of running Pharo or some devices around the network for probing things. This may prove to be the perfect vehicle for that! Phil On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I just found http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/mikefilonov/pharonos > > Mike: can you comment a little bit on it here on the pharo lists? > > Thx > T. > >

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Playground and its current usability in Pharo4.0 Latest update: #40307

by Tudor Girba

Hi, I do not quite understand this point of view. If you do not use "Go", there is no right side. What do you mean by CLI? Cheers, Doru On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I'd like to have the old workspace as it is for quick commands and as a > kind of CLI where I do not need all the noise of the right part of the > playground. > > And the playground for what it is meant to do. > > These two things are *not* for the same use case. > > > âPhil > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 16, 2014