January 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Displaying labels with Athens on Linux?

by Alexandre Bergel

Excellente !!!!!!! We will try Alexandre On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Fix integrated. > > in 3.0 704 > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

by Igor Stasenko

On 17 January 2014 12:24, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 17 January 2014 10:49, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > > On 17 Jan 2014, at 11:27, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On 16 January 2014 23:16, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 16 January 2014 21:15, Hilaire Fernandes < > hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Le 16/01/2014 12:55, H. Hirzel a Ã©crit : > >>>> > >>>>>>> âWe are not payed to work on Squeakâ, that is what I got toldâ¦ > >>>>> > >>>>> Probably correct at that time... > >>>> > >>> This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to do > the > >>> job, > >>> i do it and i don't care about the rest. Been there, ate that :) > >> > >> If I pay you to do X, and you spend all my money doing Y, you need a > >> very good story explaining why I don't get what I paid for. > > > > If I get paid to do X, based on an open-source platform that helps me > tremendously, then it is only logical and ethical to give back and support > that platform - it would even be in my own self interest. > > > > Big, hot US companies do this all the time for thousands of projects. > > That is true of the entity paying to do the work. If you paid me to > get features X, Y & Z done, and instead I did lots of (good!) work on > other projects _not directly relevant to X, Y & Z_, I think you'd have > every right to get angry with me. > Now consider that you paid to do X.. but in order to do that, you must fix something (or complete the feature) in open-source project Y, which you using. So, it is directly relevant to your work. But at the end, you can choose to either share your fixes to Y with community, or just don't (or even worse, when people mention the same problem, keep saying "ah.. yeah.. that bug.. it was fixed many years ago in one of my private projects which i will never share"). > > I'm _not_ suggesting that it's right for someone to completely ignore > the libraries that they use. I am saying that there are multiple > forces behind "we don't get paid to do X", and "this work doesn't help > me deliver X" is perfectly legitimate. > > frank > > >> Seen in hindsight, everything is obvious. At the time it might have > >> been far from obvious. > >> > >> frank > > > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ConfigurationOfGetText broken?

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 17/01/2014 11:42, Usman Bhatti a Ã©crit : > > It seems that some recent changes in the ConfigurationOfText have broken > the loading in the Pharo 3.0. > I only know basic of ConfigurationOf..., but it looks odd to me to see Seaside dependencies in the Gettext configuration. Should it not belong to this configuration? Imagine if each package depending on Gettext to add itself in the gettext configuration? Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Displaying labels with Athens on Linux?

by Igor Stasenko

Fix integrated. in 3.0 704 -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

by Marcus Denker

On 17 Jan 2014, at 16:40, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Le 17/01/2014 00:16, Igor Stasenko a Ã©crit : >> >>>>> âWe are not payed to work on Squeakâ, that is what I got toldâ¦ >>> >>> Probably correct at that time... >> >> This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to do the >> job, >> i do it and i don't care about the rest. Been there, ate that :) > > Come on, there is not excuse in the experience Marcus was writing about. > It was not related to a third party corporation, but an organization > involved in Squeak since the begining, deciding to not collaborate with > Squeak maintainer of the time. Lets rest itâ¦ as people might guess, I am still sad about Squeakâ¦ lets say it like that: I *really* *really* believed in it (the whole thing, dynabook and all), and I still think one could have done much better than we have. And itâs not a problem that it failed: it is a problem hat it was hold back explicitly that makes me sad. How great could it have been! Just imagine a system that is improved, radically, over 20 yearsâ¦ every day a bit, every year a release, building always on top of a stable base created before... Marcus

Jan. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalk Impact

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 17/01/2014 00:16, Igor Stasenko a Ã©crit : > > >>> âWe are not payed to work on Squeakâ, that is what I got toldâ¦ > > > > Probably correct at that time... > > This is usual attitude in corporate environment: you paying me to do the > job, > i do it and i don't care about the rest. Been there, ate that :) Come on, there is not excuse in the experience Marcus was writing about. It was not related to a third party corporation, but an organization involved in Squeak since the begining, deciding to not collaborate with Squeak maintainer of the time. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 17, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] http://association.pharo.org/web/weekly

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Stef, Really good idea Take it easy. HernÃ¡n 2014/1/17 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr> > Hi guys > > I started a blog http://association.pharo.org/web/weekly > > Why yet another blog? > > I got exhausted, sick, and I had to stop reading mails and other computer > activities. Then after a couple of weeks (well Iâm addict so these are > days) not reading mails about Pharo I realise that there is no condensed > information where you are not forced to read hundreds of mails to know what > is happening. > > Since I need to cure myself and relax, I decided that I will batch my > Pharo email reading (Yes I can) and I will extract blog entries because > emails vanished under their own stream. They will not be polished but you > will find information about our crazy moving fast community. And I hope > that you will enjoy it. > > StÃ©phane http://stephane.ducassse.free.fr >

Jan. 17, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 66ce4f: 30704

by GitHub

Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 66ce4f49c7fe6feae3151a23643d3e593e7a1417 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/66ce4f49c7fe6feae3151a23… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-01-17 (Fri, 17 Jan 2014) Changed paths: M NativeBoost-Unix.package/NativeBoostLinux32.class/instance/accessing/stackAlignment.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script357.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30704.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M Spec-Inspector.package/EyeInspector.class/README.md Log Message: ----------- 30704 12654 Class comment in EyeInspector references missing method https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12654 12478 Crash when using fonts with Athens on ubuntu https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12478 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30704.zip

Jan. 17, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

by GitHub

Branch: refs/tags/30704 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Jan. 17, 2014

http://association.pharo.org/web/weekly

by Pharo4Stef

Hi guys I started a blog http://association.pharo.org/web/weekly Why yet another blog? I got exhausted, sick, and I had to stop reading mails and other computer activities. Then after a couple of weeks (well Iâm addict so these are days) not reading mails about Pharo I realise that there is no condensed information where you are not forced to read hundreds of mails to know what is happening. Since I need to cure myself and relax, I decided that I will batch my Pharo email reading (Yes I can) and I will extract blog entries because emails vanished under their own stream. They will not be polished but you will find information about our crazy moving fast community. And I hope that you will enjoy it. StÃ©phane http://stephane.ducassse.free.fr

Jan. 17, 2014