January 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] World vs. ActiveWorld

by Sean P. DeNigris

Marcus Denker-4 wrote > I think there is no differenceâ¦ I think you're right. I've had enough. I'm starting to clean Morphic. It's just draining our morale too much. I guess most of it will have to wait until 4.0... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/World-vs-ActiveWorld-tp4738304p4738424.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange

by Denis Kudriashov

Yes, with alt + right click navigation works 2014/1/22 Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> > 2014/1/22 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > >> I quickly tested on Ubuntu 12.10 with a latest 30+VM >> >> Right-click for menus works. >> >> Ctrl-click for menus does not work. >> >> Command-click for browsing does not work, but brings up the menu ! >> >> So, it seems Command-click & Control-click switched or are interfering >> with each other, and one won ;-) >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:45, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > please: test right-click, thatâs where the problem is reported :) >> > ctrl+click is yet another problem :) >> > >> > Esteban >> > >> > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:42, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> I try dev 3.0 version from pharo-project. >> >> control+click openes context menu. So navigation not work on my >> Windows 7 >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> >> I tried with zeroconf and pharo installer and both work for me. >> >> Some one else with windows can reproduce it? >> >> >> >> Esteban >> >> >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> cmd+click could be "on holdâ (is for navigate to classes, methods). >> >>> >> >>> but right click, is definitively a show stopper. >> >>> >> >>> Esteban >> >>> >> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> should the issue >> >>>> >> >>>> 7545 CMD click navigation not working under Windows / Linux >> >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7545 >> >>>> >> >>>> be really on priority âOn Holdâ? >> >>>> >> >>>> How is that related to >> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11574/Linux-Right-Click-not-working >> >>>> >> >>>> ??? >> >>>> >> >>>> That issue seems to have a fix that the monkey rejected. Will the >> author of that fix look >> >>>> at it again? >> >>>> >> >>>> Question over Questionsâ¦. >> >>>> >> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >> >>>> >> >>>>> From: "Stack Exchange" <do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com> >> >>>>> Subject: New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange >> >>>>> Date: 22 Jan 2014 08:20:36 GMT+1 >> >>>>> To: marcus.denker(a)gmail.com >> >>>>> Reply-To: do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 1 new question in pharo filter on stackexchange.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Mouse right-click inoperative in Pharo 2.0 and 3.0 under Windows XP >> and 7 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I installed Pharo 3.0 on my ASUS Windows 7 laptop and settled in to >> run through the ProfStef tutorial. But I could not get past the first panel >> - I could not 'doit'. I installed Pharo 2.0 on the ... >> >>>>> Tagged: pharo by edcdave on stackoverflow.com >> >>>>> Unsubscribe from this filter or change your email preferences by >> visiting your filter subscriptions page on stackexchange.com. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Questions? Comments? Let us know on our feedback site. If you no >> longer want to receive mail from Stack Exchange, unsubscribe from all >> stackexchange.com emails. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Stack Exchange, Inc. 110 William St, 28th Floor, NY NY 10038 <3 >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > On windows, browsing Classes, browsing implementors works with ALT+ right > click. > SHIFT + ALT + right click browses Users or senders >

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange

by Denis Kudriashov

right click works for me 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > please: test right-click, thatâs where the problem is reported :) > ctrl+click is yet another problem :) > > Esteban > > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:42, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I try dev 3.0 version from pharo-project. > control+click openes context menu. So navigation not work on my Windows 7 > > > 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > >> I tried with zeroconf and pharo installer and both work for me. >> Some one else with windows can reproduce it? >> >> Esteban >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> cmd+click could be "on holdâ (is for navigate to classes, methods). >> >> but right click, is definitively a show stopper. >> >> Esteban >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> should the issue >> >> 7545 CMD click navigation not working under Windows / Linux >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7545 >> >> be really on priority âOn Holdâ? >> >> How is that related to >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11574/Linux-Right-Click-not-working >> >> ??? >> >> That issue seems to have a fix that the monkey rejected. Will the author >> of that fix look >> at it again? >> >> Question over Questionsâ¦. >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *"Stack Exchange" <do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com> >> *Subject: **New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange* >> *Date: *22 Jan 2014 08:20:36 GMT+1 >> *To: *marcus.denker(a)gmail.com >> *Reply-To: *do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com >> >> 1 new question in pharo filter<http://stackexchange.com/filters/3051/pharo>on >> stackexchange.com >> ------------------------------ >> Mouse right-click inoperative in Pharo 2.0 and 3.0 under Windows XP and >> 7<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21264800/mouse-right-click-inoperative-i…>I installed Pharo 3.0 on my ASUS Windows 7 laptop and settled in to run >> through the ProfStef tutorial. But I could not get past the first panel - I >> could not 'doit'. I installed Pharo 2.0 on the ... >> Tagged: pharo by edcdave<http://stackoverflow.com/users/3219355/edcdave>on >> stackoverflow.com >> ------------------------------ >> >> * Unsubscribe from this filter >> <http://stackexchange.com/email/unsubscribe-filter/182645/1669401998?code=de…> >> or change your email preferences by visiting your filter subscriptions page >> on stackexchange.com >> <http://stackexchange.com/users/1487867?tab=subscriptions>. * >> ------------------------------ >> Questions? Comments? Let us know on our feedback site<http://meta.stackoverflow.com/>. >> If you no longer want to receive mail from Stack Exchange, unsubscribe >> from all stackexchange.com emails<http://stackexchange.com/email/manage/235243/8239968e029f54cdd6618aff081585…> >> . >> >> Stack Exchange, Inc. 110 William St, 28th Floor, NY NY 10038 <3 >> >> >> >> >> > >

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange

by Nicolai Hess

2014/1/22 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > I quickly tested on Ubuntu 12.10 with a latest 30+VM > > Right-click for menus works. > > Ctrl-click for menus does not work. > > Command-click for browsing does not work, but brings up the menu ! > > So, it seems Command-click & Control-click switched or are interfering > with each other, and one won ;-) > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:45, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > please: test right-click, thatâs where the problem is reported :) > > ctrl+click is yet another problem :) > > > > Esteban > > > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:42, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I try dev 3.0 version from pharo-project. > >> control+click openes context menu. So navigation not work on my Windows > 7 > >> > >> > >> 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > >> I tried with zeroconf and pharo installer and both work for me. > >> Some one else with windows can reproduce it? > >> > >> Esteban > >> > >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> cmd+click could be "on holdâ (is for navigate to classes, methods). > >>> > >>> but right click, is definitively a show stopper. > >>> > >>> Esteban > >>> > >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> should the issue > >>>> > >>>> 7545 CMD click navigation not working under Windows / Linux > >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7545 > >>>> > >>>> be really on priority âOn Holdâ? > >>>> > >>>> How is that related to > >>>> > >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11574/Linux-Right-Click-not-working > >>>> > >>>> ??? > >>>> > >>>> That issue seems to have a fix that the monkey rejected. Will the > author of that fix look > >>>> at it again? > >>>> > >>>> Question over Questionsâ¦. > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>> > >>>>> From: "Stack Exchange" <do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com> > >>>>> Subject: New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange > >>>>> Date: 22 Jan 2014 08:20:36 GMT+1 > >>>>> To: marcus.denker(a)gmail.com > >>>>> Reply-To: do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com > >>>>> > >>>>> 1 new question in pharo filter on stackexchange.com > >>>>> > >>>>> Mouse right-click inoperative in Pharo 2.0 and 3.0 under Windows XP > and 7 > >>>>> > >>>>> I installed Pharo 3.0 on my ASUS Windows 7 laptop and settled in to > run through the ProfStef tutorial. But I could not get past the first panel > - I could not 'doit'. I installed Pharo 2.0 on the ... > >>>>> Tagged: pharo by edcdave on stackoverflow.com > >>>>> Unsubscribe from this filter or change your email preferences by > visiting your filter subscriptions page on stackexchange.com. > >>>>> > >>>>> Questions? Comments? Let us know on our feedback site. If you no > longer want to receive mail from Stack Exchange, unsubscribe from all > stackexchange.com emails. > >>>>> > >>>>> Stack Exchange, Inc. 110 William St, 28th Floor, NY NY 10038 <3 > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > On windows, browsing Classes, browsing implementors works with ALT+ right click. SHIFT + ALT + right click browses Users or senders

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] TraitComposition equality

by Martin Dias

Good points. Thanks, they made my rethink. In my case, I need to detect if a class definition has changed, to announce it. The order looks like important here. I agree with Jan that if somebody reorders the trait composition of a class definition, this should be considered as a change. So, even the simple A + B = B + A should be false. If you want, we can implement this equality with other selector than #=, but I think this is the right criteria. MartÃn

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] TraitComposition equality

by Frank Shearar

It looks like you're asking if substitution (@) is commutative. In the general case it's not: T1 @ {#x -> #y} @ {#y -> #z} == T1 but T1 @ {#y -> #z} @ {#x -> #y} is not. I think Jan's suggestion of flattening the traits and then comparing them for semantic/structural equivalence is the right way to avoid going crazy! frank On 22 January 2014 09:05, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: > should > > (T1 @ {#a -> #b} @ {#x -> #y}) = (T1 @ {#x -> #y} @ {#a -> #b}) > > ? > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Do experts on traits agree? I can open an issue and propose a slice. >>> >>> >>> you have to pay attention that A + B + C = B + A + C = C + A + B. >> >> >> ok, I will propose a slice > >

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I quickly tested on Ubuntu 12.10 with a latest 30+VM Right-click for menus works. Ctrl-click for menus does not work. Command-click for browsing does not work, but brings up the menu ! So, it seems Command-click & Control-click switched or are interfering with each other, and one won ;-) On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:45, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > please: test right-click, thatâs where the problem is reported :) > ctrl+click is yet another problem :) > > Esteban > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:42, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I try dev 3.0 version from pharo-project. >> control+click openes context menu. So navigation not work on my Windows 7 >> >> >> 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> >> I tried with zeroconf and pharo installer and both work for me. >> Some one else with windows can reproduce it? >> >> Esteban >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> cmd+click could be "on holdâ (is for navigate to classes, methods). >>> >>> but right click, is definitively a show stopper. >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> should the issue >>>> >>>> 7545 CMD click navigation not working under Windows / Linux >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7545 >>>> >>>> be really on priority âOn Holdâ? >>>> >>>> How is that related to >>>> >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11574/Linux-Right-Click-not-working >>>> >>>> ??? >>>> >>>> That issue seems to have a fix that the monkey rejected. Will the author of that fix look >>>> at it again? >>>> >>>> Question over Questionsâ¦. >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>>> From: "Stack Exchange" <do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com> >>>>> Subject: New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange >>>>> Date: 22 Jan 2014 08:20:36 GMT+1 >>>>> To: marcus.denker(a)gmail.com >>>>> Reply-To: do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com >>>>> >>>>> 1 new question in pharo filter on stackexchange.com >>>>> >>>>> Mouse right-click inoperative in Pharo 2.0 and 3.0 under Windows XP and 7 >>>>> >>>>> I installed Pharo 3.0 on my ASUS Windows 7 laptop and settled in to run through the ProfStef tutorial. But I could not get past the first panel - I could not 'doit'. I installed Pharo 2.0 on the ... >>>>> Tagged: pharo by edcdave on stackoverflow.com >>>>> Unsubscribe from this filter or change your email preferences by visiting your filter subscriptions page on stackexchange.com. >>>>> >>>>> Questions? Comments? Let us know on our feedback site. If you no longer want to receive mail from Stack Exchange, unsubscribe from all stackexchange.com emails. >>>>> >>>>> Stack Exchange, Inc. 110 William St, 28th Floor, NY NY 10038 <3 >>>> >>> >> >> >

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Tested latest 3.0 under Windows 7 installed with $ wget -O- get.pharo.org/30+vm | bash cannot reproduce the right-click problem. 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > please: test right-click, thatâs where the problem is reported :) > ctrl+click is yet another problem :) > > Esteban > > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:42, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I try dev 3.0 version from pharo-project. > control+click openes context menu. So navigation not work on my Windows 7 > > > 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > >> I tried with zeroconf and pharo installer and both work for me. >> Some one else with windows can reproduce it? >> >> Esteban >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> cmd+click could be "on holdâ (is for navigate to classes, methods). >> >> but right click, is definitively a show stopper. >> >> Esteban >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> should the issue >> >> 7545 CMD click navigation not working under Windows / Linux >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7545 >> >> be really on priority âOn Holdâ? >> >> How is that related to >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11574/Linux-Right-Click-not-working >> >> ??? >> >> That issue seems to have a fix that the monkey rejected. Will the author >> of that fix look >> at it again? >> >> Question over Questionsâ¦. >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *"Stack Exchange" <do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com> >> *Subject: **New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange* >> *Date: *22 Jan 2014 08:20:36 GMT+1 >> *To: *marcus.denker(a)gmail.com >> *Reply-To: *do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com >> >> 1 new question in pharo filter<http://stackexchange.com/filters/3051/pharo>on >> stackexchange.com >> ------------------------------ >> Mouse right-click inoperative in Pharo 2.0 and 3.0 under Windows XP and >> 7<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21264800/mouse-right-click-inoperative-i…>I installed Pharo 3.0 on my ASUS Windows 7 laptop and settled in to run >> through the ProfStef tutorial. But I could not get past the first panel - I >> could not 'doit'. I installed Pharo 2.0 on the ... >> Tagged: pharo by edcdave<http://stackoverflow.com/users/3219355/edcdave>on >> stackoverflow.com >> ------------------------------ >> >> * Unsubscribe from this filter >> <http://stackexchange.com/email/unsubscribe-filter/182645/1669401998?code=de…> >> or change your email preferences by visiting your filter subscriptions page >> on stackexchange.com >> <http://stackexchange.com/users/1487867?tab=subscriptions>. * >> ------------------------------ >> Questions? Comments? Let us know on our feedback site<http://meta.stackoverflow.com/>. >> If you no longer want to receive mail from Stack Exchange, unsubscribe >> from all stackexchange.com emails<http://stackexchange.com/email/manage/235243/8239968e029f54cdd6618aff081585…> >> . >> >> Stack Exchange, Inc. 110 William St, 28th Floor, NY NY 10038 <3 >> >> >> >> >> > >

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] TraitComposition equality

by Jan Vrany

You should be really careful when doing this. The fact that two compositions (T1 @ {#a -> #b} @ {#x -> #y}) and (T1 @ {#x -> #y} @ {#a -> #b}) are semantically the same does not mean that the way in which they are expressed in class/trait definition is not important of some importance for programmer. That's pretty much like indentation - code which is properly indented with nice long variable names is could be semantically equivalent to the code which is total mess in a single line but to programmers the difference is huge - at least for me. If you really need semantic/structural equivalence, you'd better flatten protocols of both compositions and compare these. This would handle correctly even this case: TX = (T1 + T3) (T1 + T2 + T3) <==> (T2 + TX) Best, Jan On 22/01/14 09:33, Camille Teruel wrote: > > On 22 janv. 2014, at 10:13, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com > <mailto:tinchodias@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:tinchodias@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> should >> >> (T1 @ {#a -> #b} @ {#x -> #y}) = (T1 @ {#x -> #y} @ {#a -> #b}) >> >> ? >> >> >> two more: >> >> (T1 - {#a. #b}) = (T1 - {#b. #a}) >> >> (T1 - {#a} - {#b}) = (T1 - {#b} - {#a}) >> >> > > I would say yes for each case.

Jan. 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange

by Esteban Lorenzano

please: test right-click, thatâs where the problem is reported :) ctrl+click is yet another problem :) Esteban On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:42, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I try dev 3.0 version from pharo-project. > control+click openes context menu. So navigation not work on my Windows 7 > > > 2014/1/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > I tried with zeroconf and pharo installer and both work for me. > Some one else with windows can reproduce it? > > Esteban > > On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:22, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> cmd+click could be "on holdâ (is for navigate to classes, methods). >> >> but right click, is definitively a show stopper. >> >> Esteban >> >> On 22 Jan 2014, at 09:01, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> should the issue >>> >>> 7545 CMD click navigation not working under Windows / Linux >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7545 >>> >>> be really on priority âOn Holdâ? >>> >>> How is that related to >>> >>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11574/Linux-Right-Click-not-working >>> >>> ??? >>> >>> That issue seems to have a fix that the monkey rejected. Will the author of that fix look >>> at it again? >>> >>> Question over Questionsâ¦. >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: "Stack Exchange" <do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com> >>>> Subject: New pharo questions for Jan 22 - Stack Exchange >>>> Date: 22 Jan 2014 08:20:36 GMT+1 >>>> To: marcus.denker(a)gmail.com >>>> Reply-To: do-not-reply(a)stackexchange.com >>>> >>>> 1 new question in pharo filter on stackexchange.com >>>> >>>> Mouse right-click inoperative in Pharo 2.0 and 3.0 under Windows XP and 7 >>>> >>>> I installed Pharo 3.0 on my ASUS Windows 7 laptop and settled in to run through the ProfStef tutorial. But I could not get past the first panel - I could not 'doit'. I installed Pharo 2.0 on the ... >>>> Tagged: pharo by edcdave on stackoverflow.com >>>> Unsubscribe from this filter or change your email preferences by visiting your filter subscriptions page on stackexchange.com. >>>> >>>> Questions? Comments? Let us know on our feedback site. If you no longer want to receive mail from Stack Exchange, unsubscribe from all stackexchange.com emails. >>>> >>>> Stack Exchange, Inc. 110 William St, 28th Floor, NY NY 10038 <3 >>> >> > >

Jan. 22, 2014