January 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Sean P. DeNigris

kilon wrote > The only thing that would make sense for removing confirmation dialogs is > editable action history. Take a look at Photoshop. Some 3d apps also have > something similar. Â Every action is recorded at a history ( a list) and > there is a gui that allow you to remove individual actions without > deleting or affecting other actions. Very cool stuff.Â Yes! That would be a dream. I was thinking last night that undo could be a tree from high level concepts down to individual actions. Something like: - edit #aMethod - paste - delete - backspace - backspace - edit #anotherMethod - â¦ kilon wrote > Undo also wont do, because I dont always realise my mistakes until much > later on. And having to undo all my work to fix a stupid mistake is a > nightmare. Certainly it seems too harsh to throw away without any notification. For now, I think the sweet spot for most people would be undo + non-instrusive notification. Maybe an undo list like "Workspace previous contents" and a Growl notification. If someone reaaaally needs the confirmation, we could have a setting, but we're talking about a single method pane's edits - overkill IMHO... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Do-you-want-to-accept-Discard-tp4735220p4735268.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Harvesting Squeak Enhancements

by Sean P. DeNigris

Nicolas Cellier wrote > we concentrated 2 months of Squeak activity in a few commits (and few > hickups). > â¦ > we have to make compromises :) Fair enough. Thank you for doing all that work. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Harvesting-Squeak-Enhancements-tp4735189p4735266.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by dimitris chloupis

I don't like an app that does not ask for my confirmation , because I tend to do a lot of stupid mistakes along the way and I want to be able to fix everyone of them even before they happen. Please don't remove that, that would be reason enough for me to stop using Pharo.Â Undo also wont do, because I dont always realise my mistakes until much later on. And having to undo all my work to fix a stupid mistake is a nightmare. The only thing that would make sense for removing confirmation dialogs is editable action history. Take a look at Photoshop. Some 3d apps also have something similar. Â Every action is recorded at a history ( a list) and there is a gui that allow you to remove individual actions without deleting or affecting other actions. Very cool stuff.Â On Wednesday, 8 January 2014, 11:44, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: i want to discard. discard this modal thingies altogether.. and we did that with Ben, but then people turned their nose against it and rolled back the change. On 8 January 2014 17:02, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: I still have these un-interact-able pop ups following me around endlessly >when I have unaccepted edits in Nautilus. It seems intermittent. Not sure >how exactly to reproduceâ¦ Anyone else? > >b.t.w. the secret seems to be to bring up halos on the pop-up and clicking >the (x) halo. Trying to click its buttons only makes it angry > > > >----- >Cheers, >Sean >-- >View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Do-you-want-to-accept-Discard-tp4735220.html >Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spotlight Demo

by Tudor Girba

Exciting! Doru On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>wrote: > Tudor Girba-2 wrote > > Seriously, this is fun. And now I am curious about the ActiveTutor :). Is > > the idea to provide contextual help for every morph? > > Ha ha, you caught me. I wasn't going to mention it until it was further > along, but here's a first cut... > > https://vimeo.com/83655001 (the video will be available in ~45 minutes) > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Spotlight-Demo-tp4733076p4735073.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Igor Stasenko

i want to discard. discard this modal thingies altogether.. and we did that with Ben, but then people turned their nose against it and rolled back the change. On 8 January 2014 17:02, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > I still have these un-interact-able pop ups following me around endlessly > when I have unaccepted edits in Nautilus. It seems intermittent. Not sure > how exactly to reproduceâ¦ Anyone else? > > b.t.w. the secret seems to be to bring up halos on the pop-up and clicking > the (x) halo. Trying to click its buttons only makes it angry > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Do-you-want-to-accept-Discard-tp4735220.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Harvesting Squeak Enhancements

by Nicolas Cellier

2014/1/8 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > It's awesome that we have the opportunity to get these almost for free. > And I > have a request: when porting from Squeak core, please include the original > Squeak commit message in your Pharo commit for each package. When chasing > the TextAnchor bug which was introduced, it would've saved me quite some > time yesterday to see this (from Squeak's Morphic-nice.695 commit message): > every TextAnchor is associated with a (Character value: 1). > in addition to this (ours): > Part2bis: 3rd attempt to publish just 5 methods change (4 in > Morphic-Base, 1 in Morphic-Core) > > Thanks in advance... > > > Yes, in principle, but these time we concentrated 2 months of Squeak activity in a few commits (and few hickups). It was possible to repeat Squeak delicate step by step procedure, but requiring Marcus support for integrating all the small steps wouldn't have been optimal... And surely you'd have less fix or lovely new features in Pharo 3.0, so we have to make compromises :) Nicolas > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Harvesting-Squeak-Enhancements-tp4735189.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Moose-dev] Re: Feature for request for GraphET?

by Daniel Aviv Notario

So, attending to the request Doru made, here's something similar to the example he provided in EyeSee... All the methods were already implemented but most of them didn't have a clear accesor to modify them. So, if you just load the last version of GraphET and do this: builder := GETDiagramBuilder new. grouped := { #item1->{10 . 12 . 11 . 14 } . #item2-> { 1 . 1 . 20 } . #item3->{ 1 . 1 . 1 . 1 . 1} }. diag := (GETVerticalBarDiagram new) modelLabels: [:each | each key ]; y: [:each | each value size]; yAxisLabel: 'Count'; valueAxis;height:200;spacing:20; yAxisOnRight; color: Color veryLightGray; axisColor: Color veryLightGray; models: grouped; yourself. diag2 := (GETVerticalBarDiagram new) y: [:each | each value sum]; regularAxis;height: 200;spacing:20;yAxisLabel: 'Sum';color: (Color red); axisColor: (Color red); models: grouped; yourself. (builder unionDiagram) add: diag;add: diag2. builder open You'll see it's very similar. There's two things I couldn't replicate so far, one of them is the rotating labels, as Roassal can't rotate labels yet, and the second one was the GapFraction, as axis in GraphET need some work yet, so implementing that kind of thing would be hard. I think I'll dedicate to a proper axis in the next couple of weeks. Cheers :)! > > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >>> From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > > >>> Date: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 10:39 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Feature for request for GraphET? > > >>> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Here is one thing I would want: a correspondent Graph-ET > > >>> functionality to make something like this EyeSee script work as > > >>> in > > >>> the first attached picture. > > >>> > > >>> renderer := ESDiagramRenderer new. > > >>> grouped := { #item1->{10 . 12 . 11 . 14 } . #item2-> { 1 . 1 . 20 > > >>> } > > >>> . #item3->{ 1 . 1 . 1 . 1 . 1} }. > > >>> diag := (ESVerticalBarDiagram new) > > >>> identifier: [:each | each key ]; > > >>> y: [:each | each value size]; > > >>> yAxisLabel: 'Count'; > > >>> valueAxis; > > >>> rightYAxis; > > >>> defaultColor: Color veryVeryLightGray; > > >>> axisColor: Color veryVeryLightGray; > > >>> models: grouped; > > >>> rotatedLabels: true; > > >>> yourself. > > >>> diag2 := (ESVerticalBarDiagram new) > > >>> y: [:each | each value sum]; > > >>> regularAxis; > > >>> yAxisLabel: 'Sum'; > > >>> gapFraction: 2 / 3; > > >>> defaultColor: (Color red); > > >>> axisColor: (Color red); > > >>> models: grouped; > > >>> yourself. > > >>> (renderer compositeDiagram) > > >>> add: diag; > > >>> add: diag2. > > >>> renderer open > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> <Screenshot 2014-01-04 22.31.57.png> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> The best I could produce with Graph-ET is this (I commented out > > >>> the > > >>> message to which I did not find a correspondent): > > >>> > > >>> builder := GETDiagramBuilder new. > > >>> grouped := { #item1->{10 . 12 . 11 . 14 } . #item2-> { 1 . 1 . 20 > > >>> } > > >>> . #item3->{ 1 . 1 . 1 . 1 . 1} }. > > >>> diag := (GETVerticalBarDiagram new) > > >>> "identifier: [:each | each key ];" > > >>> y: [:each | each value size]; > > >>> yAxisLabel: 'Count'; > > >>> valueAxisLine; > > >>> "rightYAxis;" > > >>> color: Color veryLightGray; > > >>> "axisColor: Color veryLightGray;" > > >>> models: grouped; > > >>> "rotatedLabels: true;" > > >>> yourself. > > >>> diag2 := (GETVerticalBarDiagram new) > > >>> y: [:each | each value sum]; > > >>> regularAxis; > > >>> yAxisLabel: 'Sum'; > > >>> "gapFraction: 2 / 3;" > > >>> color: (Color red); > > >>> "axisColor: (Color red);" > > >>> models: grouped; > > >>> yourself. > > >>> (builder compositeDiagram) > > >>> add: diag; > > >>> add: diag2. > > >>> builder open > > >>> > > >>> <Screenshot 2014-01-04 22.36.40.png> > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Doru

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] voyage configuration problem

by Norbert Hartl

Am 08.01.2014 um 16:57 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > soâ¦ it was a problem on ConfigurationOfMagritte3 for Pharo 2.0. > > I updated the configuration, so now it should be okâ¦ > Thanks, it works. Norbert > Esteban > > On 07 Jan 2014, at 18:41, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> Whatever Metaceller is :) >> >> I donât know much about metacello. But the problem seems to be that voyage loads magritte3 stable which loads grease 1.0.8. MongoTalk tries to load grease 1.1.5. Besides the fact that I donât know why MongoTalk loads grease it seems to work if I load manually grease 1.1.5 and then voyage. >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 07.01.2014 um 15:13 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> and ConfigurationOfVoyageMongo is using âstableââ¦ same as before :( >>> >>> is this another case for metaceller? :P >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On 07 Jan 2014, at 15:03, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Am 07.01.2014 um 14:57 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07 Jan 2014, at 14:25, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have problems loading voyage in a 2.0 image. For testing I downloaded a fresh one and installed voyage via the configuration browser. Somehow the dependencies from magritte down to grease seem to be broken somewhat. I tries to load a package >>>>>> >>>>>> Grease-Pharo20-Core-pmm.1 >>>>>> >>>>>> and a debugger pops up saying >>>>>> >>>>>> This package depends on the following classes: >>>>>> GRDelegatingStream >>>>>> You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these definitions: >>>>>> GRCountingStream >>>>>> count >>>>>> greaseNext:putAll:startingAt: >>>>>> initialize >>>>>> next >>>>>> next: >>>>>> nextPut: >>>>>> nextPutAll: >>>>>> reset >>>>>> greaseNext:putAll:startingAt: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the operation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anybody has a glue what is going on? Is this something introduced by the release of seaside? Hints are appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> most probably. >>>>> probably voyage for 2.0 should be updated to use a fixed version of grease instead #stable. >>>> >>>> That is what I donât understand. >>>> >>>> ConfigurationOfMagritte3>>#stable: spec >>>> <symbolicVersion: #stable> >>>> >>>> spec for: #'common' version: '3.0.1'. >>>> spec for: #'pharo3.x' version: '3.1' >>>> >>>> and version 3.0.1 includes >>>> >>>> â¦ >>>> spec timestamp: '30 January 2012 12:55:56 pm'. >>>> spec >>>> project: 'Grease' with: '1.0.8â; >>>> >>>> Norbert >>> >> >

Jan. 8, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Sean P. DeNigris

Pharo3.0 Latest update: #30678 This seems reproducible: 1. In Nautilus, browse a class that has a class comment 2. Bring up the comment pane 3. Edit the comment 4. Click the "Class side" checkbox Also (don't know if it's related): 1. In Nautilus, browse a class that has a class comment 2. Bring up the comment pane 3. Edit the comment 4. Click the "Comment" button 5. Choose discard 6. Click the "Comment" button again *** It seems as if the changes were accepted instead of discarded, butâ¦ 7. Click the "Class side" checkbox *** Now the comment is reverted to the original, so it seems the changes were indeed discarded. I guess the problem is keeping the comment pane in sync with the modelâ¦ Ben, should I open issues for these? If so, separately or as one report? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Do-you-want-to-accept-Discard-tp4735220p4735221.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 8, 2014

Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Sean P. DeNigris

I still have these un-interact-able pop ups following me around endlessly when I have unaccepted edits in Nautilus. It seems intermittent. Not sure how exactly to reproduceâ¦ Anyone else? b.t.w. the secret seems to be to bring up halos on the pop-up and clicking the (x) halo. Trying to click its buttons only makes it angry ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Do-you-want-to-accept-Discard-tp4735220.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 8, 2014