January 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3.0 not responding to mouse or keyboard after launch

by Martin McClure

On 01/11/2014 12:17 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Didn't tried myself but there is a tracing library for X called xscope. > Is not included by default in most distros. > > http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/xscope-1.4.tar.gz > > Don't bother with xev, does not capture clicks inside Pharo. Well, I tried xscope. I'm not really familiar with the X protocol, but what I see looks reasonable. Pharo is getting notified of events, and is not responding, except when the mouse enters, then it requests focus. And Alt-. generates output on stdout, so these events are clearly getting to Pharo, just not producing any X output. Anything else I should be looking for? Regards, -Martin

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3.0 not responding to mouse or keyboard after launch

by Martin McClure

On 01/11/2014 10:21 AM, Martin McClure wrote: > On 01/11/2014 08:55 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: >> >> >> >> This instructions are very good: >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >> >> I build my own vm because I am using a rather old ubuntu version >> (10.04) and >> the current vm does not work with my glibc version. >> Feel free to ask if you have any questions or problems with building >> the vm. >> > > Thanks for the pointer! I'll try it... Well, I built a VM. No joy, same symptoms. I had to generate the sources on a different machine, one that agrees to still run Pharo. I then rsynced the whole thing to the machine with the trouble and built there. The first time it faild the cmake since vmVersionInfo.h was not present. I fixed build/build.sh, which was trying to execute ../codegen-scripts/extract-commit-info.sh which did not exists. After changing it to execute ../scripts/extract-commit-info.sh it completed and the resulting VM works just like the downloaded binary, which is to say that it displays windows but does not respond to mouse clicks or to keyboard input except alt-.. Ideas for where to go next? Regards, -Martin

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Chris Muller

I finally read this whole thread. I don't normally get involved in Pharo discussions but, I can't help to say: Igor is 100% right, and his best rationale why at the beginning: ========== at the end, it is just silly: the point is that i am always sure about things i do, when interacting with my computer. if i'm not, i simply don't (or i save and then proceed with caution).. and in any case, i don't need stupid UI asking me about things i already decided to do (yes i am sort of man, who disables file deletion warning, if it provided). =========== Unless there's a possibility of an accidental mishap with great consequences, software should simply do what its told without question. kilos doesn't want to be punished for a "mistake". Much simpler, if you don't want to "lose your changes", is to simply not press Command+L in the first place. It sounds like kilos is pressing buttons before knowing the effects. That's just impatience that should be appropriately spanked as Igor said. What if, upon being asked, "are you sure" you made your mistake right then and there, by pressing "Yes" instead of "No"? This is very easy to happen since, as Igor pointed out, mechanical reactions to pop-ups develop over time.. I disagreed with, "A editor key combination that looses code because is does not support undo is *wrong*." Losing the code is the _entire purpose_ of Command+L. Every version of every method is still saved in history so one could simply save their work then revert to the prior version to avoid "losing code". Undo on Command+L would be of no use except for people pressing buttons before thinking. That needs to be corrected to, "think first, THEN press buttons." :) Bye. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 11 January 2014 15:20, <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> >> Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>> and guess what i currently working on? >>> OSWindow interface, which will allow us to control creating of windows >>> and managing them from the image, and handling the events. >>> >> OSWindow sounds really exciting. Perhaps it will help facilitate >> multi-monitor support? >> > eventually, yes. > at least we care about it from very beginning: > > Object subclass: #OSWindowAttributes > instanceVariableNames: 'bounds title fullscreen screenId > preferableDriver' > classVariableNames: 'DefaultBounds DefaultFullscreen DefaultTitle' > poolDictionaries: '' > category: 'OSWindow' > > this object is used to describe a window attributes. sure thing not all of > them > listed there and much more will be added later, but as you can see, > screenId is already there, so potentially you can control which screen your > window must use. > it is not clear now, how we will facilitate the screen selection and what > values/api to use to identify them, but at this early stage we lying a > foundations to make this option come into play one day. > > >> >> cheers -ben >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 12, 2014

StHub ?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I saw StHub acting not 100% normally just now, but it seems to be recovering. Maybe someone should have a quick look to see if everything is really OK.

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can we install packages like in pip or gem?

by dimitris chloupis

Technically there is the Configuration Browser that allow for single click installs. Â Which I think is the most close to pip. Its not hard to implement this kind stuff. I just don't like command lines/terminals. A good reason to pick Pharo :DÂ On Saturday, 11 January 2014, 23:52, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: hi, as Sven say, you can do something like this: ./pharo Pharo.image config "filetree://repository/mc" ConfigurationOfSomething --install=baseline just one for line, because we do not have a centralised repository (yet) and because what we expect is that you do your own ConfigurationOfYourProject and then you can do the load in just one line (I do that several times a day, so I prepared a script that looks for a âpharo_configâ file in the subdirectory of the project and if is there, a configuration is automatically triggered. Esteban On 11 Jan 2014, at 18:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > It can be done one at a time, with a couple of extra parameters, but I guess you already know that. > > With a little wrapper script, you could make this work. > > But is is a good idea. > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 17:48, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Can we install packages like this? >> >> $ pharo config NeoCSV INIFile OSProcess Pharo.image >> >> That would install stable versions from default repository for pharo image in current working directory in headless mode, save and quit. >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> > >

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ZeroConf on ubuntu linux

by Esteban Lorenzano

but I wonder why it does not fail for more people (me included)â¦ we use a lot linux (for ci, etc.). Esteban On 11 Jan 2014, at 23:29, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > most probably :( > I will check tomorrow and provide a fix. > > Esteban > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 20:16, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> sounds good but what script do you mean I should edit? >> >> I mean, all I'm seen is that wget and curl >> >> It's a bug in the hosted scripts? >> >> sebastian >> >> o/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Michael J. Forster <mike(a)sharedlogic.ca> wrote: >> >>> On 14-01-10 07:54 PM, Sebastian Sastre wrote: >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> I'm new to ZeroConf, sounds really great. >>>> >>>> In OS X worked fine for me but on an ubuntu machine it said this: >>>> >>> >>> Hi Sebastian, >>> >>> mktemp(3) on Linux requires at least 6 Xs in the directory template. Edit the script to add one more X to the template and try it again. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -- >>> Michael J. Forster, B.Sc. (Hons.), B.Sc. >>> COO, Programmer >>> Shared Logic Inc. >>> >> >

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ZeroConf on ubuntu linux

by Esteban Lorenzano

most probably :( I will check tomorrow and provide a fix. Esteban On 11 Jan 2014, at 20:16, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > sounds good but what script do you mean I should edit? > > I mean, all I'm seen is that wget and curl > > It's a bug in the hosted scripts? > > sebastian > > o/ > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Michael J. Forster <mike(a)sharedlogic.ca> wrote: > >> On 14-01-10 07:54 PM, Sebastian Sastre wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I'm new to ZeroConf, sounds really great. >>> >>> In OS X worked fine for me but on an ubuntu machine it said this: >>> >> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> mktemp(3) on Linux requires at least 6 Xs in the directory template. Edit the script to add one more X to the template and try it again. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mike >> >> -- >> Michael J. Forster, B.Sc. (Hons.), B.Sc. >> COO, Programmer >> Shared Logic Inc. >> >

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Can we install packages like in pip or gem?

by Esteban Lorenzano

hi, as Sven say, you can do something like this: ./pharo Pharo.image config "filetree://repository/mc" ConfigurationOfSomething --install=baseline just one for line, because we do not have a centralised repository (yet) and because what we expect is that you do your own ConfigurationOfYourProject and then you can do the load in just one line (I do that several times a day, so I prepared a script that looks for a âpharo_configâ file in the subdirectory of the project and if is there, a configuration is automatically triggered. Esteban On 11 Jan 2014, at 18:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > It can be done one at a time, with a couple of extra parameters, but I guess you already know that. > > With a little wrapper script, you could make this work. > > But is is a good idea. > > On 11 Jan 2014, at 17:48, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Can we install packages like this? >> >> $ pharo config NeoCSV INIFile OSProcess Pharo.image >> >> That would install stable versions from default repository for pharo image in current working directory in headless mode, save and quit. >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> > >

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] CI server account creation

by Alfredo Sanzo

Hi! Sorry for bothering you again. My account was joined to Pharo-Contribution but the link https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/all/newJob is not working. (This is the link that appears when I click on New Job here). Does it have to do with Permissions? I don't know if what Christophe did should have fixed this. Thanks again for your help :) Cordially, Alfredo 2014/1/9 Alfredo Sanzo <alfredo.sanzo(a)gmail.com> > Te zarpÃ¡s. > > (Which, in *very informal* Argentinian Spanish slang means "You are a > genious"). > > Thanks :D > It was in spam. > > > > 2014/1/9 Christophe Demarey <Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> > >> Hello Alfredo, >> >> Le 8 janv. 2014 Ã 23:58, Alfredo Sanzo a Ã©crit : >> >> Hello! >> >> I am trying to create an account for the CI server and I have bumped into >> several links and posts to this list and now that I've asked for help I've >> finally understood the process (I think). >> My question is... Can we have this written somewhere? (and corrected, if >> I'm wrong :) ) >> >> "Steps to create a new user: >> a) Sign up for a user here: https://ci.inria.fr/users/new >> It gets processed manually, so you have to wait until your account is >> activated for you. >> >> >> => not true. There is no manual validation. >> Once you get registered, ci.inria.fr send you an email to validate your >> account. >> You need to click on the provided link. >> >> b) Go to: https://ci.inria.fr/project and look for pharo-contribution. >> Request to join it. (it also gets processed manually) >> >> >> Yes, an admin of this project has to accept the join request. >> >> c) Ask in pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org to be made an Admin, because if not >> you won't be able to create a Job. >> >> >> Also true. >> I updated Jenkins to add more permissions to members. >> All pharo-contibution members are now allowed to manage jobs. >> >> " >> >> I see that Pharo-Contribution page redirects here: >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/JobTemplate/ >> Can we have that step 1 updated with what I wrote here? >> >> >> >> Good idea. Done! >> >> --------------------- >> Oh, and I can't get through part a) yet.... Apparently no one is >> accepting my user... Can somebody help? >> >> >> >> Maybe you should check your spams. >> If you cannot find the account activation email, tell me. I can force the >> account activation. >> >> Regards, >> Christophe. >> > >

Jan. 11, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ZeroConf on ubuntu linux

by Sebastian Sastre

Hi Michael, sounds good but what script do you mean I should edit? I mean, all I'm seen is that wget and curl It's a bug in the hosted scripts? sebastian o/ On Jan 11, 2014, at 2:26 AM, Michael J. Forster <mike(a)sharedlogic.ca> wrote: > On 14-01-10 07:54 PM, Sebastian Sastre wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> I'm new to ZeroConf, sounds really great. >> >> In OS X worked fine for me but on an ubuntu machine it said this: >> > > Hi Sebastian, > > mktemp(3) on Linux requires at least 6 Xs in the directory template. Edit the script to add one more X to the template and try it again. > > > Cheers, > > Mike > > -- > Michael J. Forster, B.Sc. (Hons.), B.Sc. > COO, Programmer > Shared Logic Inc. >

Jan. 11, 2014