January 2014 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3.0 not responding to mouse or keyboard after launch

by Martin McClure

On 01/12/2014 02:33 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > It is storage that the compiler is runningâ¦ do you have some kind of startup scripts defined? No, I'm just launching a virgin image, in a clean unzip of the download. Regards, -Martin

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 January 2014 17:57, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On 12 Jan 2014, at 13:54, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > How do you see it? Like: > > Pharo - programming language that don't makes you think? > > You are mixing the language and the IDE here > > I'm not mixing anything.. IDE is part of it. more than anything else. But most funniest part of it, that yes/no popups going against such principle, because when you see popup, it forces you to a) read what it says b) understand the question c) make decision and answer it tell me which part of it "does not makes you think" :) Ben > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Benjamin

On 12 Jan 2014, at 13:54, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How do you see it? Like: > Pharo - programming language that don't makes you think? You are mixing the language and the IDE here Ben

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 January 2014 15:52, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com>wrote: > Which goes in front collision course with the usability principle *"Don't > make me think" *for designing great user interfaces > > How do you see it? Like: Pharo - programming language that don't makes you think? Sorry, without me then. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Do you want to accept???????? Discard???????

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 January 2014 15:52, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com>wrote: > On Jan 11, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Chris Muller <asqueaker(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > the point is that i am always sure about > things i do, when interacting with my computer. > > > That means that you're exceptional Chris! > > Like in the exception (and not the rule) > > add me to that exception. you got 2 exceptions now. > > Undo on Command+L would be of no use except for people pressing > buttons before thinking. That needs to be corrected to, "think first, > THEN press buttons." :) > > > Which goes in front collision course with the usability principle *"Don't > make me think" *for designing great user interfaces > > If smalltalk is an environment where experimenting is extremely cheap and > feedback is instant, there is not reason to overload the neocortex of the > user forcing her to always be sure (in anticipation of her key strokes!). > oh come on... you know, if you so care about overloading neocortex, then i think you should choose different occupation in your life: there's many which don't requires too much thinking, in contrary to programming. > If you do it, it will be one step in the direction of making an > unexperienced user feel unsafe or worst excluded from the smalltalk > ecosystem (because other ecosystems *do* think in making newcomers feel > safe). > > to feel safe you need to know what you doing, and predict consequences.. and believe me or not, this involves some thinking. BTW, experiments where you aren't completely sure of the outcome are often > surprising, fun and source of lots of insights, aren't they? > > pressing random keys without any clue what you doing is exciting activity, i guess, but it is far from what people calling "programming" or "coding". Cheers :) sebastian <https://about.me/sebastianconcept> > > o/ > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] copyscript from squeaksource to smalltalkhub

by David T. Lewis

On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 07:37:36PM +0100, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Le 04/01/2014 19:11, Johan Brichau a ?crit : > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone still have the script to copy a repository from squeaksource to smalltalkhub? > > > > thx > > Johan > > > > Last time I saw was in the welcome page of the squeaksource.com web site. > Here is the script that was on the squeaksource.com welcome page. Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | source goSource destination goDestination files destinationFiles | source := MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/YOURPROJECT'. destination := MCSmalltalkhubRepository owner: 'YOURNAME' project: 'YOURPROJECT' user: 'YOURNAME' password: 'YOURPASSWORD'. goSource := Gofer new repository: source. goDestination := Gofer new repository: destination. files := source allVersionNames. (goSource allResolved select: [ :resolved | files anySatisfy: [ :each | resolved name = each ] ]) do: [ :each | goSource package: each packageName ]. goSource fetch. "downloads all mcz on your computer" destinationFiles := destination allVersionNames. "checks what files are already at destination" files reject: [ :file | destinationFiles includes: file ] thenDo: [ :file | goDestination version: file ]. "selects only the mcz that are not yet at destination" goDestination push. "sends everything to SmalltalkHub" self assert: destination allVersionNames sorted = files sorted. "checks we have exactly the same files at source and destination"

Jan. 12, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core]

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Branch: refs/tags/30689 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

Jan. 12, 2014

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 14fe36: 30689

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Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 14fe36157a05e956a2d1c0e0195ba0d31c32a208 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/14fe36157a05e956a2d1c0e0… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-01-12 (Sun, 12 Jan 2014) Changed paths: M Balloon.package/GradientFillStyle.class/class/initialization/initPixelRampCache.st M Balloon.package/GradientFillStyle.class/class/initialization/initialize.st M Morphic-Base.package/ScrollBar.class/class/initialization/initialize.st M Polymorph-Widgets.package/UITheme.class/instance/scrollbars/createArrowImagesCache.st M Polymorph-Widgets.package/UITheme.class/instance/scrollbars/createBoxImagesCache.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script342.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30689.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 30689 12482 Update LRUCache Implementation - Step 3 - Use the new LRUCache code https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12482 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30689.zip

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3.0 not responding to mouse or keyboard after launch

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

xscope is difficult to set up. I wonder if you have started another X server in the background and which xscope parameters you've used? So you may want to give a shoot to xtruss: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/xtruss/ It is used like strace. $ xtruss pharo Pharo.image When you move the mouse over the image window, you should get this type of output: --- MotionNotify(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000002, child=None, same-screen=True, root-x=573, root-y=320, event-x=14, event-y=266, detail=Normal, state=0x0010, time=0x2D840279) --- MotionNotify(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000002, child=None, same-screen=True, root-x=572, root-y=320, event-x=13, event-y=266, detail=Normal, state=0x0010, time=0x2D8402F5) --- MotionNotify(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000002, child=None, same-screen=True, root-x=571, root-y=320, event-x=12, event-y=266, detail=Normal, state=0x0010, time=0x2D8402F5) When you enter focus in the Pharo window's area: --- EnterNotify(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000001, child=w#03000002, mode=Normal, same-screen=True, focus=False, root-x=1153, root-y=705, event-x=582, event-y=614, detail=NonlinearVirtual, state=0x0010, time=0x2D894A60) When you make a click to bring the world menu, this is the event sequence: --- EnterNotify(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000001, child=None, mode=Grab, same-screen=True, focus=False, root-x=1169, root-y=397, event-x=598, event-y=306, detail=Inferior, state=0x0110, time=0x2D8C440F) --- Expose(window=w#03000002, x=0, y=0, width=581, height=2, count=1) --- Expose(window=w#03000002, x=0, y=2, width=582, height=660, count=0) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=581, height=2, dst-x=0, dst-y=0, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=582, height=112, dst-x=0, dst-y=2, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=582, height=112, dst-x=0, dst-y=114, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=582, height=112, dst-x=0, dst-y=226, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=582, height=112, dst-x=0, dst-y=338, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=582, height=112, dst-x=0, dst-y=450, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=582, height=100, dst-x=0, dst-y=562, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:FFEFEFEF:...) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#324, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4416) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#325, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4416) --- FocusIn(event=w#03000001, mode=Normal, detail=Nonlinear) SetInputFocus(focus=w#03000002, revert-to=None, time=CurrentTime) --- ButtonPress(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000002, child=None, same-screen=True, root-x=1169, root-y=397, event-x=598, event-y=306, detail=1, state=0x0010, time=0x2D8C440F) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#324, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4417) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#325, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4417) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#239, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4418) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#239, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4418) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#324, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4419) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#325, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4419) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#239, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C441B) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#239, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C441B) --- PropertyNotify(window=w#000000DC, atom=a#282, state=NewValue, time=0x2D8C4423) --- FocusOut(event=w#03000002, mode=Normal, detail=Pointer) --- FocusOut(event=w#03000001, mode=Normal, detail=Inferior) --- FocusIn(event=w#03000002, mode=Normal, detail=Ancestor) PutImage(drawable=wp#03000002, gc=g#03000003, depth=24, width=155, height=267, dst-x=596, dst-y=275, left-pad=0, format=ZPixmap, image-data=FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:FFACACAC:...) --- ButtonRelease(root=w#000000DC, event=w#03000002, child=None, same-screen=True, root-x=1169, root-y=397, event-x=598, event-y=306, detail=1, state=0x0110, time=0x2D8C44F5) Are you getting similar output? Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2014/1/11 Martin McClure <martin(a)hand2mouse.com> > On 01/11/2014 12:17 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > >> Didn't tried myself but there is a tracing library for X called xscope. >> Is not included by default in most distros. >> >> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/xscope-1.4.tar.gz >> >> Don't bother with xev, does not capture clicks inside Pharo. >> > > Well, I tried xscope. I'm not really familiar with the X protocol, but > what I see looks reasonable. Pharo is getting notified of events, and is > not responding, except when the mouse enters, then it requests focus. And > Alt-. generates output on stdout, so these events are clearly getting to > Pharo, just not producing any X output. > > Anything else I should be looking for? > > Regards, > > -Martin > >

Jan. 12, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] ZeroConf on ubuntu linux

by Esteban Lorenzano

but there is something wrong because I have the same version and it worksâ¦ grrrrâ¦. I hate incompatibility version problems :( On 12 Jan 2014, at 15:55, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS > > Until it's patched, can you tell me how do I load manually the things it should load using zeroconf? > > > > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> and which ubuntu are you talking about? >> >> Esteban >> >> On 11 Jan 2014, at 02:54, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I'm new to ZeroConf, sounds really great. >>> >>> In OS X worked fine for me but on an ubuntu machine it said this: >>> >>> --2014-01-10 23:48:30-- http://get.pharo.org/30+vm >>> Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org) 128.93.162.72 >>> Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|128.93.162.72|:80... connected. >>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK >>> Length: 2713 (2.6K) [text/html] >>> Saving to: `STDOUT' >>> >>> 100%[========================================================================================>] 2,713 --.-K/s in 0s >>> >>> 2014-01-10 23:48:30 (331 MB/s) - written to stdout [2713/2713] >>> >>> Downloading the latest 30 Image: >>> http://files.pharo.org/image/30/latest.zip >>> mktemp: failed to create directory via template `image.XXXXX': Permission denied >>> >>> >>> doing sudo or not has the same effect >>> >>> Any idea of what to do? >>> >>> sebastian >>> >>> o/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Jan. 12, 2014