September 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-dev] OSX Pharo VMs

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-09-18, at 08:28, news{(a)bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) wrote: > I am on OSX 10.8.5 (Mac mini Late 2012 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7 ) and > tried to download a VM > > The ones on the download > page<http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download> all seem to give me an > .app that OSX says is damaged when I try to open it. I just tried and I cannot confirm that â strange. Could you try again? > > I went to <http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/3.0/mac/> > > The stable which has the same date as the one on the download pages is > reported as damaged but the > <http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/3.0/mac/Pharo-VM-mac-latest.zip> dated > 16th Sept starts. > > I have a older working VM > > Smalltalk vm version. > 'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: > a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: > 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 > By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 > ' > > Which is the correct stable Mac VM? the one that has "stable" in its name. latest => unstable / alpha / test release stable => THE stable one now that this is clear ;), what you downloaded in the first place is the all-in-one platform package which includes an image. Honestly I don't know why we still need this, but its there. The platform package is built on the stable VM release (as you correctly figured out). Currently the latest VM is close(-ish) to release. Does this answer your questions?

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] CI Status

by Camillo Bruni

good! On 2013-09-18, at 04:49, Christophe Demarey <Christophe.Demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > The problem with slaves on CloudStack is now solved. > After a maintenance, the CloudStack controller was a bit lost and removed some iptables rules for running slaves. These slaves were up but without networking ... > Slaves are now reachable. > > Christophe. > > Le 12 sept. 2013 Ã 20:32, Camillo Bruni a Ã©crit : > >> - http://ci.inria.fr/pharo continues to be critical. Slaves are still not reachable, the ci.inria.fr team should be working on a solution. >> - http://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution has a disk-size problem which I mitigated by deleting the workspace at the end of a build. >> - http://ci.inria.fr/rmod already lost 2 out of 4 slaves >> >> yours sincerely, >> the CI Janitor >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lets Talk about Pharo Help tool

by kilon

First let me request that you add "Re:" in front of your replies because if you put the subject as it is , it creates a new thread in forum.world.st which makes it hard for me to keep up with your replies. The water drop does not know about the sea , because it can become one with it. There is no separation. Here there is a clear separation, subtopics. Plus isn't this the essense of OOP to keep things in hierarchy ? I am not saying that a HelpTopic should not be independent from other HelpTopics. Some kind of documentation can stand on its own. But when subtopic message is used I would assume that it would respect the hierarchy. Afterall you have already a subtopics instance variable with a getter. It looks like I would have to subclass. I was just wondering if there is any specific reason why there should not be one. As always I am open to suggestions :) Torsten Bergmann wrote >>The help tool uses a treeMorph to display all topics in a tree like fashing, >>and since each submorph in the tree is tied to a HelpTopic I could fetch the >>hierarchical structure of HelpTopic from there, but the question is , is >>this a good idea ? > > The navigation is UI related anyway, so there is nothing that would speak > against this. > > I left out the "parent" or "owner" explicitly in my design, why should the > water drop know the sea ;) > > It is IMHO more flexible and makes it easier (as you have seen with the > wiki pragma). > > Thx > T. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Lets-Talk-about-Pharo-Help-tool-tp4708926p4708948.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lets Talk about Pharo Help tool

by kilon

Yeah the refresh issue is something I will fix soon. About markdown, I was thinking of doing this the pharo way. Using smalltalk syntax and creating a help designer. I assume morphic can embed morphs inside a text. I think it would be far more preferable for a user to use a text editor. So I am hoping to do that with Prometheas, no need for markdown, or ugly xml / hmtl , just edit away directly, like you would with microsoft word. Ideally I would broke everything down to submorphs. This is why I am here discussing this, I am still trying to do this a nice way that people will find easy, user friendly, powerful and fun. Igor Stasenko wrote > I support you in your effort. > > I wrote some help pages for NB help (in NativeBoost-Help package), > and using own subclasses of HelpTopic, > which allow me to render the markdown.. > (the problem is that markdown parser is now broken, and i needs to be > fixed).. > another thing is that it depends on petit-parser, > but also , somehow on xml stuff.. > it would be cool being able to write help using markdown syntax, without > too much dependencies, so we can (hopefully) integrate it in base image. > > Also, what i don't like in current implementation is that it quite static: > - a set of subtopics and topic contents are accessed only once > from UI, and to see changes i had to close and reopen help window each > time, > which doesn't makes things faster. > I tried to circumvent that in my subclasses, and had some little success. > > > > On 18 September 2013 12:23, kilon < > thekilon@.co > > wrote: > >> Ok I started coding the project , I call it "Prometheas" here is the repo >> >> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~kilon/Prometheas >> <http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~kilon/Prometheas> >> >> I managed to add new buttons with icons, back, forth , right and left. >> Also >> the title of the help tool now changes to the helpTopic selected. >> >> I want to use the up button to move to parent help topic , left and right >> to >> move previous and next page/topic. Probably i wont need down but I added >> it >> just in case. I will tie all those buttons to shortcut keys so that you >> can >> now navigate help using nothing but shortcuts. >> >> The problem I have is that the way Help tool is made it gives me the very >> top topic , and the current topic. But I would also like to have a parent >> for each topic. So when HelpTopic subtopic: is sent , it does not just >> add >> HelpTopics to the HelpTopic but each subtopic is assigne the HelpTopic as >> parent. >> >> This is crucial feature so that I can make those new buttons work. >> >> The tricky part here is that there is also the wiki style pragma that >> generate topics. >> >> The help tool uses a treeMorph to display all topics in a tree like >> fashing, >> and since each submorph in the tree is tied to a HelpTopic I could fetch >> the >> hierarchical structure of HelpTopic from there, but the question is , is >> this a good idea ? >> >> Or should hack the HelpTopic class to allow it to have a owner instance >> variable ? >> >> I dont want to create messy code. I was thinking even creating my own >> helpTopic classes etc, but I want old help to work with Prometheas too. >> >> I welcome any advice :) >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Lets-Talk-about-Pharo-Help-tool-tp4707462p4708922.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Lets-Talk-about-Pharo-Help-tool-tp4707462p4708947.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] DSM in Roassal

by Volkert Barr

Have done some simple DSMs. Now, it have some questions ...is it possible - to have both cell colors and values? - to define action handlers for a cell? - to zoom in / out (for larger plots) For large number of cells it could be faster (with colored cells rendering is really slow) ... ;-) Anyway, cool work ..... thank you for Roassal / RoassalProposals. BW, Volkert On 05.09.2013, at 23:06, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Ok, super! > Let us know how it goes > > Alexandre > > > On Sep 5, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Volkert Barr <volkert(a)nivoba.de> wrote: > >> Today i tried again with a fresh pharo 2.0 image and loaded the latest version of "Roassal" and "RoassalProposals". >> >> Now it works ... will now dig a bit deeper .... :-) >> >> Thank you, >> Volkert >> >> On 02.09.2013, at 09:38, Volkert Barr <volkert(a)nivoba.de> wrote: >> >>> Dear Alexandre, >>> >>> which Pharo and Roassal Version? I am loading the packages in Pharo 2.0 (Summer), but the >>> examples did not work (ROLabel class(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #verticalText). >>> >>> Gofer new >>> squeaksource: 'Roassal'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfRoassal'; >>> load. >>> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfRoassal) project lastVersion load. >>> >>> Gofer new >>> smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; >>> package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; >>> load. >>> (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. >>> >>> No, i am not at the ESUG. >>> >>> BW, >>> Volkert >>> >>> >>> On 01.09.2013, at 19:38, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Volkert, >>>> >>>> Yes, we started an effort on that. >>>> >>>> Consider: >>>> >>>> | view builder | >>>> view := ROView new. >>>> builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. >>>> builder model: (Array with: true with: false). >>>> builder dependencyBoolean: #xor:. >>>> builder gapSize: 0. >>>> >>>> builder on: view. >>>> view open >>>> >>>> <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.04.56 PM.png> >>>> >>>> Another example: >>>> | view builder objects | >>>> objects := ROShape withAllSubclasses. >>>> view := ROView new. >>>> view @ RODraggable. >>>> >>>> builder := RODependencyMatrixBuilder new. >>>> builder model: objects. >>>> " builder noVerticalShape." >>>> builder dependency: #superclass. >>>> builder gapSize: 0. >>>> builder on: view. >>>> view open >>>> <Screen Shot 2013-09-01 at 12.06.55 PM.png> >>>> >>>> If you are working on something similar, it would be great to join forces... >>>> >>>> how to load Juraj's code: >>>> Gofer new >>>> smalltalkhubUser: 'JurajKubelka' project: 'RoassalProposals'; >>>> package: 'RoassalGraphBuilders'; >>>> load. >>>> (Smalltalk globals at: #RODependencyMatrixBuilderTest) browse. >>>> >>>> Look at the ROMatrixExample class >>>> >>>> Will you be at ESUG? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > -- www.nivoba.de www.traveling-light.de

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub => 503

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > Do you need the pharo image to serve a directory listing or file download? I mean Stephans job basically does only this two actions and theoretically they should work even if the image has gone, right? I might be wrong, but I think there is no mcz file on the server. Everything is stored in a mongo database. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub => 503

by Norbert Hartl

Am 18.09.2013 um 13:28 schrieb Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>: > The pharo instance stopped responding. I will look deeper as soon as I > have some time, but until then I restarted the image. SmalltalkHub is > not load balanced yet as there was no need for that, but I think it may > be time to do so. > Do you need the pharo image to serve a directory listing or file download? I mean Stephans job basically does only this two actions and theoretically they should work even if the image has gone, right? Norbert > Cheers, > Nico > > Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> writes: > >> Yes, smalltalkhub is nice. And installing your own is very easy. I think more people should do so. >> It doesn't seem to be as solid as ss3, but can be installed much easier, >> and on legacy platforms (windows). >> Running your own mirror should not take that much space and capacity, and makes you >> less dependent on central infrastructure staying up. >> >> Stephan > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://nicolas-petton.fr >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Volkert Barr <volkert(a)nivoba.de> wrote: > I ordered a copy. Thanks for all the hard work .... Pharo is really fun ... thank you very much Volkert. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 18, 2013

OSX Pharo VMs

by news{＠bestley.co.uk

I am on OSX 10.8.5 (Mac mini Late 2012 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7 ) and tried to download a VM The ones on the download page<http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download> all seem to give me an .app that OSX says is damaged when I try to open it. I went to <http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/3.0/mac/> The stable which has the same date as the one on the download pages is reported as damaged but the <http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/3.0/mac/Pharo-VM-mac-latest.zip> dated 16th Sept starts. I have a older working VM Smalltalk vm version. 'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 ' Which is the correct stable Mac VM? -- Mark

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Smalltalkhub => 503

by Nicolas Petton

The pharo instance stopped responding. I will look deeper as soon as I have some time, but until then I restarted the image. SmalltalkHub is not load balanced yet as there was no need for that, but I think it may be time to do so. Cheers, Nico Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> writes: > Yes, smalltalkhub is nice. And installing your own is very easy. I think more people should do so. > It doesn't seem to be as solid as ss3, but can be installed much easier, > and on legacy platforms (windows). > Running your own mirror should not take that much space and capacity, and makes you > less dependent on central infrastructure staying up. > > Stephan -- Nicolas Petton http://nicolas-petton.fr

Sept. 18, 2013