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by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr

https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2.1-Validation/label=li… 2 regressions found. Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUnknownProcesses

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

On 18 Ð²ÐµÑ. 2013, at 17:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> as far as I understand PBE2 is actually deep into pharo. Maybe we should update PBE because when someone new starts to work with pharo I usually suggest him to read PBE. Pharo 3 will have a lot of new cool features, and people have to work with 1.1. >> What do you think? > > yes but this is a lot of work. Maybe we can try :). I think that this is an important book, because it's meant to be a starting point, and we want to have more people. > >> >> Cheers! >> Uko > >

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > What do you think? I agree. We need someone to take the lead and distribute the work. Do you volunteer? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 18, 2013, at 4:00 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Amen. > > FWIW, I am promoting Pharo as a technology I'll use during the eGov Hackathon Weekend in early october. > > http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/agenda/agenda/hackathon-egov-walloni… > http://hackathonegovwallonia.net/ > > "Chacun des prototypes de service ou dâapplications dÃ©veloppÃ©s au cours et dans le cadre du Hackathon eGov Wallonia feront lâobjet dâune vaste publicitÃ©" Excellent! > > Well, I guess I'll manage to get some Pharo mentions in there. > > (And I paid the EUR 85 ticket to get in, damnit.) the association can reimbruse you if you want. > > /Phil

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lets Talk about Pharo Help tool

by kilon

sure I will give it a look , thanks for the pointer :) Mark Bestley-2 wrote > kilon < > thekilon@.co > > wrote: > >> Yeah the refresh issue is something I will fix soon. >> >> About markdown, I was thinking of doing this the pharo way. Using >> smalltalk >> syntax and creating a help designer. I assume morphic can embed morphs >> inside a text. I think it would be far more preferable for a user to use >> a >> text editor. So I am hoping to do that with Prometheas, no need for >> markdown, or ugly xml / hmtl , just edit away directly, like you would >> with >> microsoft word. Ideally I would broke everything down to submorphs. >> >> This is why I am here discussing this, I am still trying to do this a >> nice >> way that people will find easy, user friendly, powerful and fun. >> >> > > > Could be this done is a similar way to the CUIS Styled text Editor and > Wiki? > <http://www.stic.st/2012/04/styled-text-editor-for-cuis-4-0-smalltalk/> > From the videoI see a possible application for that was a > "StyledhelpTextBrowser" > > -- > Mark -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Lets-Talk-about-Pharo-Help-tool-tp4707462p4708984.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 18, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Stephane, > > This mail is in part a personal disclaimer and in part "a suggestion". > > In my case I'm chasing a big customer prospect (took longer than > expected but we're almost there), cool I cross my fingers for you :) > at the beginning of this year we > decided to use Pharo as the backend technology. But I already work as > a full time Smalltalk PM+Developer and I don't have more than a few > hours per week to dedicate to develop the core business of our project > (which also has an Android client that also absorbs a lot of time). I see and I understand. > Being part of a loyal user base that promotes Pharo on every chance is > important, Yes that too :) > maybe not as important as pushing code/docs back to the > community, or paying a yearly fee. > > But I think that the user base, as humble or small as it might be, > _must not be disregarded_. Did we ever give this impression? I hope not. > Today the overlap between the user base and the contributors is big, > but I wouldn't see an small overlap as a bad thing. In fact it would > be a good thing! > > Nobody would claim that Wikipedia is a failure because 99.98% of the > readers never edit. > On the other hand Business model/Funding is a WHOLE different story. Indeed. Still my question remains valid :). Stef

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 18, 2013, at 4:23 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > as far as I understand PBE2 is actually deep into pharo. Maybe we should update PBE because when someone new starts to work with pharo I usually suggest him to read PBE. Pharo 3 will have a lot of new cool features, and people have to work with 1.1. > What do you think? yes but this is a lot of work. > > Cheers! > Uko

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] OSX Pharo VMs

by news{＠bestley.co.uk

Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 2013-09-18, at 08:28, news{(a)bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley) wrote: > > > I am on OSX 10.8.5 (Mac mini Late 2012 2.6 GHz Intel Core i7 ) and > > tried to download a VM > > > > The ones on the download > > page<http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download> all seem to give me an > > .app that OSX says is damaged when I try to open it. > > I just tried and I cannot confirm that â strange. Could you try again? > Yes I retried and did a bit of googling. The issue is Gatekeeper <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290> and I have set the System Preference to Mac App Store and identified developers (default in OS X Mountain Lion) â Only allow apps that came from the Mac App Store and developers using Gatekeeper can open. I can run all the VMs if I chnage to Anywhere â Allow applications to run regardless of their source on the Internet (default in OS X Lion v10.7.5); Gatekeeper is effectively turned off. Note: Developer ID-signed apps that have been inappropriately altered will not open, even with this option selected. I think this only matters for the first run then you are asked for permission toupdate some data and the OS notes that these can run. Which explains why my old VM worked as that was installed and run on an old machine which ran Lion so set to Anywhere. (or had found this issue for some app before and soadjuted the level) > > > > I went to <http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/3.0/mac/> > > > > The stable which has the same date as the one on the download pages is > > reported as damaged but the > > <http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/3.0/mac/Pharo-VM-mac-latest.zip> dated > > 16th Sept starts. > > > > I have a older working VM > > Which is the correct stable Mac VM? > > the one that has "stable" in its name. > latest => unstable / alpha / test release > stable => THE stable one > Sorry I meant which was a working stable one assuming that the ones shown were broken, which I now realise they aren't. So I have three comments 1) How did the newest Pharo 3 VM work- was it generated by a different developer and then signed? 2) The Pharo download page should note that the VMs run only by temporarily chnaging Gatekeeper level. I suspect that most OSX 10.8 users who download software will have the same level as I had. 3) I think it is reasonable to assmue that developers will have the level set to Mac App Store and identified developers and is it possible to cosign the apps so that they pass the Gatekeeper check? (Ideally a version of Pharo app could come from the App Store as well to get a wider audience and that requires the signing as well) -- Mark

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Lets Talk about Pharo Help tool

by news{＠bestley.co.uk

kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Yeah the refresh issue is something I will fix soon. > > About markdown, I was thinking of doing this the pharo way. Using smalltalk > syntax and creating a help designer. I assume morphic can embed morphs > inside a text. I think it would be far more preferable for a user to use a > text editor. So I am hoping to do that with Prometheas, no need for > markdown, or ugly xml / hmtl , just edit away directly, like you would with > microsoft word. Ideally I would broke everything down to submorphs. > > This is why I am here discussing this, I am still trying to do this a nice > way that people will find easy, user friendly, powerful and fun. > > Could be this done is a similar way to the CUIS Styled text Editor and Wiki? <http://www.stic.st/2012/04/styled-text-editor-for-cuis-4-0-smalltalk/> >From the videoI see a possible application for that was a "StyledhelpTextBrowser" -- Mark

Sept. 18, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] PBE2?

by Alexandre Bergel

> as far as I understand PBE2 is actually deep into pharo. Yes > Maybe we should update PBE because when someone new starts to work with pharo I usually suggest him to read PBE. Pharo 3 will have a lot of new cool features, and people have to work with 1.1. > What do you think? It is true that it would be great to update PBE. I tell usually my students that are differences between Pharo 2.0 and what they will read. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 18, 2013