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September 2013
- 91 participants
- 1255 messages
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?
by Serge Stinckwich
Maybe you can setup a new branch on the current repository. This what We have for the french translation.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 18 sept. 2013 à 17:26, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> a écrit :
>
> On 18 веÑ. 2013, at 18:17, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. We need someone to take the lead and distribute the work. Do
>>>> you volunteer?
>>> I'm thinking about starting doing that myself, and if I'll manage to review a couple of paragraphs each day I can say that I can take a lead :).
>>>
>>> Do you think that moving PBE to pier will be too hard?
>>
>> No we should just simplify when something is not working at the latex level.
>> So indeed it would be cool to migrate the book using the pier syntax like that we will get a new one
>> in pdf, latex and more.
>>
>> We can set up a new jenkins script, git hub repo and get started.
> Would be nice.
>
>>
>> Stef
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damien Cassou
>>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>>>
>>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>>>> losing enthusiasm."
>>>> Winston Churchill
>
>
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you
by Esteban A. Maringolo
2013/9/18 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>:
> On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote:
>> What I'd be interested in is any code/framework for GIS open data reading /
>> Google Maps integration / Open Street Map stuff.
What do you mean by "Google Maps integration"?
Attached goes a screenshot (*) of the pilot app I'm developing, it has
a small set of JavaScript code on the client handling live updates
coming from a Zinc Websocket (serialized by NeoJson), updates that
were handled before by a Seaside-REST interface, handling requests
coming from mobile clients.
I plan to implement GeoJSON in my app and use it against the MongoDB
of Voyage, but I didn't have time yet to properly integrate, not to
mention to share it.
Or by integration you mean Seaside integration? Like generating the
map as if it were a seaside component?
Regards,
(*) Sorry it is blurred, I can't disclose more than this.
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?
by Stéphane Ducasse
Yuri before starting (I started to port the SUnit chapter)
I think that we should decide how we extend pier to support
\url
\cite
\index
I proposed something like ##cite| ## or ##index| ##
because we should not lose all the nice work done for PBE
I will talk to damien when I see him.
Stef
On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
>
> On 18 веÑ. 2013, at 18:17, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. We need someone to take the lead and distribute the work. Do
>>>> you volunteer?
>>> I'm thinking about starting doing that myself, and if I'll manage to review a couple of paragraphs each day I can say that I can take a lead :).
>>>
>>> Do you think that moving PBE to pier will be too hard?
>>
>> No we should just simplify when something is not working at the latex level.
>> So indeed it would be cool to migrate the book using the pier syntax like that we will get a new one
>> in pdf, latex and more.
>>
>> We can set up a new jenkins script, git hub repo and get started.
> Would be nice.
>
>>
>> Stef
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damien Cassou
>>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>>>
>>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>>>> losing enthusiasm."
>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] Putting load on smalltalkhub
by Stephan Eggermont
Sven wrote
>StHub is an important shared community resource.
Definitely.
And this is a stop-the-line problem.
Having a single image on an ADSL connection bring down
smalltalkhub doing one mcz request at a time means there is a
serious dos risk.
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Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you
by Stéphane Ducasse
>>
>>
>>> Stephane,
>>>
>>> This mail is in part a personal disclaimer and in part "a suggestion".
>>>
>>> In my case I'm chasing a big customer prospect (took longer than
>>> expected but we're almost there),
>>
>> cool I cross my fingers for you :)
>
> Keep them crossed ;-)
>
>
>>> But I think that the user base, as humble or small as it might be,
>>> _must not be disregarded_.
>>
>> Did we ever give this impression? I hope not.
>> Still my question remains valid :).
>
> I remember having read that if we want to make Pharo better we have to
> provide measurable contributions. As if opinions didn't count as such.
> They're certainly not measurable, but such expressions discourage/mute
> people enthusiasm (those whom have a lot of enthusiasm will stay
> though).
>
> Having that said, I'm happy with what I see and use everyday. The
> Pharo vision is getting real everyday.
>
> On the other hand, even considering myself a seasoned Smalltalker
> (VSE, VAST, Dolphin), the learning curve of Pharo "tools" and workflow
> requires dedication, is not as intuitive as one might think once used
> to them.
>
> Magic word for Pharo 3 and beyond: "convergence" :)
We were discussing that for Pharo4.0 we will focus on tools (in addition to the rest)
For Pharo3.0: OPAL and Athens.
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] if Pharo is key for you
by Stéphane Ducasse
On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote:
> Nah, forget about the money.
>
> What I'd be interested in is any code/framework for GIS open data reading / Google Maps integration / Open Street Map stuff.
I proposed a bachelor on open street map.
I should publishe the topics :)
>
> I am going to spend a couple hours tomorrow looking and reading some data into Pharo (maybe using PetitParser and the XML stuff in the process).
>
> Here is a set of data I'll be looking at.
> http://www.symbaloo.com/mix/hackathonegov
>
> Question: are they any Pharo materials I can use to distribute around (except the leaflet) ?
I did that to get started.
> That's a case where Pharo T-shirts/stickers would come in handy. Open Data, Open Source, Public Sector, hey... Send me pointers so that I can arrange stuff for early october.
>
>
> Oh, another thing, I've the possibility to talk to future Polytechnic Engineers in november about mobile apps. I will for sure stick some Pharo in there (e.g. Seaside + jQuery Mobile)
If you need some slides let us know.
I just gave all my slides to Alain for his lecture
>
> Regards,
>
> ---
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
>
> On Sep 18, 2013, at 4:00 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>>
>> FWIW, I am promoting Pharo as a technology I'll use during the eGov Hackathon Weekend in early october.
>>
>> http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/agenda/agenda/hackathon-egov-walloni…
>> http://hackathonegovwallonia.net/
>>
>> "Chacun des prototypes de service ou dâapplications développés au cours et dans le cadre du Hackathon eGov Wallonia feront lâobjet dâune vaste publicité"
>
> Excellent!
>
>>
>> Well, I guess I'll manage to get some Pharo mentions in there.
>>
>> (And I paid the EUR 85 ticket to get in, damnit.)
>
> the association can reimbruse you if you want.
>>
>> /Phil
>
>
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] Can't correctly inspect ring definitions
by Stéphane Ducasse
On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> RGClassDescriptionDefinition should be polymorphic with
> ClassDescription. But #instVarNamed: is protocol of Object, so why to
> override it there?
>
> Concretely, I have instances of RGClassDefinition and I can't:
>
> 1) inspect them as regular objects
> 2) use STON to serialize
>
> Because both use #instVarNamed:, which is answering nil.
but why does it answer nil and not the object?
>
> MartÃn
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
>> I'm trying to really understand because it depends if ring should be a layer that should be used in place
>> of real object. And to me Ring should be this layer. We could imagine that all the tools manipulate ring objects.
>> If you introduce a new message then this opens the door to isKindOf: hell (or you should add this message to object too and the inspector should only use instVarNamed: and cannot work with Ring).
>> I do not know what is the solution but it is not to simply add a message.
>>
>> So what is the real problem?
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In the attached png I show how 'annotations' is a dictionary in the
>>> "all inst vars" entry, while it is nil in the 'annotations' entry.
>>
>> I do not get the problem
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The reason is that #instVarNamed: is redefined in
>>> RGClassDescriptionDefinition to answer the
>>> RGInstanceVariableDefinition representing the requested instance
>>> variable of the *represented class* (or nil if there is no instance
>>> variable with that name).
>>>
>>> I know that a purpose of ring entities is to be polymorphic with the
>>> represented system entities. But #instVarNamed: is protocol of Object,
>>> not of Class or ClassDescription.
>>>
>>> I you agree I will open an issue and submit a fix:
>>>
>>> To rename the method in RGClassDescriptionDefinition to
>>> #instanceVariableNamed: and update the test.
>>>
>>> MartÃn
>>> <Screen Shot 2013-09-18 at 10.57.18 AM.png>
>>
>>
>
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] Putting load on smalltalkhub
by Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 18 Sep 2013, at 17:19, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 18 September 2013 13:18, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote:
> Around 12.00 we managed to load and analyze upto 100 mczs/minute from Smalltalkhub.
> We hoped that we would not be able to overload Smalltalkhub from a home ADSL
> connection, using a single (non multi-threaded) Moose image.
> However, this seems to coincide with some failing jenkins builds. We apologize for any
> inconveniences we might have caused. What is the best way to get a copy?
> Or is our analysis wrong?
>
> Diego & Stephan
>
>
> i think you should contact Nico about how to run tests
> using some test server first, and only if it passes, on deployed one :)
+1
StHub is an important shared community resource.
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko.
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] Please help us by buying the book
by jannik.laval
Strangely the process seems to be really fast !
We are available on amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Into-Pharo-Alexandre-Bergel/dp/3952334162/ref=sr…
And only visible on amazon.fr:
http://www.amazon.fr/Deep-Into-Pharo-Alexandre-Bergel/dp/3952334162/ref=sr_…
Cheers,
Jannik
On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:04 AM, jannik.laval <jannik.laval(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> how long for the amazon version ? I am Greek and I am not sure if the first
>>> choice delivers here.
>>
>> lulu delivers everywhere (including in Europe). Jannik, what is the
>> status of the amazon process?
>
> It takes 6-8 weeks to be available on Amazon.
> Just wait a bit, we will announce it when it will be there.
>
> Best,
> Jannik
>
>>
>> --
>> Damien Cassou
>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>
>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>> losing enthusiasm."
>> Winston Churchill
>
Sept. 18, 2013
Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] PBE2?
by Stéphane Ducasse
BTW may before starting the first actions would be integrate
the comments we got from the japanese translators and other little problems that got reported on the sb mailing-list
Stef
On Sep 18, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote:
>
> On 18 веÑ. 2013, at 18:17, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. We need someone to take the lead and distribute the work. Do
>>>> you volunteer?
>>> I'm thinking about starting doing that myself, and if I'll manage to review a couple of paragraphs each day I can say that I can take a lead :).
>>>
>>> Do you think that moving PBE to pier will be too hard?
>>
>> No we should just simplify when something is not working at the latex level.
>> So indeed it would be cool to migrate the book using the pier syntax like that we will get a new one
>> in pdf, latex and more.
>>
>> We can set up a new jenkins script, git hub repo and get started.
> Would be nice.
>
>>
>> Stef
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Damien Cassou
>>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>>>
>>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>>>> losing enthusiasm."
>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Sept. 18, 2013