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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by kilon

EstebanLM wrote > the objective is to have an alternative. > now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so > there would not be a problem there :) now this sounds super interesting stuff, mixing moprhic with native guis. I hear that GTK3 is mostly Cairo based, and so is hmtl rendering for Firefox. Looks like Athens will play a rather crucial role to the future of Morphic and Pharo. But of course thats easier said than done :) And the fact that Morphic is written in smalltalk and not just another C library, is hard to beat for customization and cross platform development. For example GTK is a disaster on Macos and Windows. With many problems, stability wise. QT is abit better but I suspect is big and complex , especially taking into account they had to design their own programming language for designing Graphical Elements known as QML ( a kind of javascript eeeewwww :D ). Oh QML can do live coding, sound familiar ? ;) but QT come with its own designers , and a wealth of tools, juicy documentation and good support even on mobile platforms. So an alliance of QT and Pharo may actually be quite more beneficial than an alliance with Windows GUI API or MacOS Cocoa or GTK . As far as I have seen QT look and behaves native in all major OSes. The only problem is that QT is a C++ library and AFAIK pharo FFIs do not support C++ libraries because of name mangling. But this is something that the FFI experts could clarify. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/New-Mars-examples-Package-Browser-and-Test-Runner-tp4… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by news{＠bestley.co.uk

<laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > --089e0122eca46a487504e71ea2a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Same error here on ArchLinux. > > Laurent > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM, kilon > <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > yeah it fails with error after executing : > > > > Gofer it url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/estebanlm/Mars/main'; > > package: 'ConfigurationOfMars'; load. > > > > ConfigurationOfMars loadBleedingEdge: 'All'. > > > > "Error : nil cannot be found in Smalltalk dictionary" > > > > here is the stack trace > > > > http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN <http://pastebin.com/yyHSVntN> > > > > Also same error in OSX -- Mark

Sept. 24, 2013

Pharo 3 is interesting

by Goubier Thierry

I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of interesting. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by Goubier Thierry

I followed the instructions in another mail. Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > you need gtk3-devel? > weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. > > Esteban > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > >> >> >> Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? >>>> >>>> Far. >>> >>> yes, we still need a lot of work. >>> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) >>> >>>> >>>>> By the way, is this the goal? >>>> >>>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding >>>> will not support. >>> >>> the objective is to have an alternative. >>> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) >> >> Oh, this is how you are doing it. >> >> I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. >> >> Thierry >> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Carla, >>>>>> >>>>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. >>>>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Carla. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > > > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by Esteban Lorenzano

yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. but maybe you need to change the path. On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > I followed the instructions in another mail. > > Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 > > Thierry > > Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >> you need gtk3-devel? >> weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. >> >> Esteban >> >> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? >>>>> >>>>> Far. >>>> >>>> yes, we still need a lot of work. >>>> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> By the way, is this the goal? >>>>> >>>>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding >>>>> will not support. >>>> >>>> the objective is to have an alternative. >>>> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) >>> >>> Oh, this is how you are doing it. >>> >>> I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Carla, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laurent >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. >>>>>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Carla. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:18 PM, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would > need to override ZnClient >> withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this > currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses > progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at > all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. you may want to open a new question on stackoverflow or pharo-users and forward to Sven -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding >> will not support. > > But could a Spec subset (or Spec itself?) target Mars? this is the idea. We should be able to reuse the composition logic of spec object. Stef

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by Goubier Thierry

Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? >> >> Far. > > yes, we still need a lot of work. > but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) > >> >>> By the way, is this the goal? >> >> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding >> will not support. > > the objective is to have an alternative. > now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) Oh, this is how you are doing it. I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. Thierry >> >> Stef >> >>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Carla, >>>> >>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi everyone! >>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. >>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. >>>> >>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Carla. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] RFB on 2.0 + linux - semaphore primitive failed

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > OK. I think I am having the same issue here. I am using Pharo2.0 Latest > update: #20619, and a Mac VM of Mar 13 2013. > I have a SmalltalkHub image running with RFB. If I save the image with the > RFBServer running, my image freezes. If the server is stopped while saving, > there is no problem. The hung seems to be AFTER the image save itself, > because if I kill the process and start again, the image was saved. > > Does somebody remember if this was solve or not? if not, I will try to > debug a bit. > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:25 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi Paul2 >> >> > Paul Wilke wrote >> >> Hi, >> >> we have a similar problem. Which VM should one use? We had the StackVM >> in >> >> productive use but now after using Pharo 2.0 we have this primitive >> error >> >> and a stuck image. We found one cause in a the netname resolver. >> >> Can you explain what is the netname resolver problem. >> >> >> >> >> I would greatly appreciate an info about which vm exactly to use or >> how to >> >> further diagnose this problem. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Paul >> > >> > >> > I ended up reverting back to Pharo 1.4 and don't have plans to use >> Pharo 2 >> > in production. >> >> If you do not give us more information we will never be able to fix it. >> And may be 3.0 will still have the problem and you will start using >> system that is 3 year old. >> I can understand that you get in a situation where you cannot do >> otherwise but do not expect >> us to fix magically things. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/RFB-on-2-0-linux-semaphore-primitive-failed-tp4701741… >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by Esteban Lorenzano

you need gtk3-devel? weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. Esteban On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > > Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >> >> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? >>> >>> Far. >> >> yes, we still need a lot of work. >> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) >> >>> >>>> By the way, is this the goal? >>> >>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding >>> will not support. >> >> the objective is to have an alternative. >> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) > > Oh, this is how you are doing it. > > I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. > > Thierry > >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi Carla, >>>>> >>>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Laurent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. >>>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. >>>>> >>>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Carla. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Sept. 24, 2013