September 2013 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[update 3.0] #30422

by Marcus Denker

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting

by Esteban Lorenzano

On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 24 September 2013 17:06, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > > Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a Ã©crit : > > > On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr > <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: > > I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. > > I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of > interesting. > > > i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it > should not lead to dnu but to some more > clear error message. > > Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) > > > anyways, thanks for finding the bug > > I triggered it with > > aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil > > :) > > There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. > > Do you intend it that way? > > I don't know the details, there was a lot of work done by Esteban refactoring this.. > so i letting him to answer your question. no, is a bug (known), but still not time to fix it :) > > > Regards, > > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 September 2013 17:06, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > > > Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a Ã©crit : > >> >> >> On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr >> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr**>> wrote: >> >> I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. >> >> I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of >> interesting. >> >> >> i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it >> should not lead to dnu but to some more >> clear error message. >> > > Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) > > > anyways, thanks for finding the bug >> > > I triggered it with > > aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil > > :) > > There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the > protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, > even empty, in 2.0. > > Do you intend it that way? > I don't know the details, there was a lot of work done by Esteban refactoring this.. so i letting him to answer your question. > > Regards, > > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Sept. 24, 2013

Pharo Launcher link

by btc＠openinworld.com

Just wondering if it would be suitable to link to the Pharo Launcher from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download. cheers -ben

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN] Launching Pharo on Ubuntu

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 24 Sep 2013, at 15:18, kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > ah yes of course. Ok thanks for adding me. > > I took a look at the code, it points back to Zinc , it look like I would > need to override ZnClient >> withProgressDo: , no Idea how to do this > currently but will continue looking into . I also found how monticello uses > progress bars when downloading repos but it does not seem to use Zinc at > all. So yeah this will take me quite some time to implement. Progress is indicated by HTTPProgress Notification that are being signalled by the underlying code. You have to catch them and do something with them. Have a look at ZnClientTests>>#testProgress Although the example in the comment does no longer seem to work... > Its Fun none the less ;) > > > > Damien Cassou wrote >> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, kilon < > >> thekilon@.co > >> > wrote: >>> yeah I will give it a try, don't know how long will take me but I like >>> what >>> you have done with Pharo Launcher. I will create an enhancement issue >>> when I >>> have it working as I want and report back. Esteban has granted me commit >>> right to pharo 3 inbox too so I will commit there. Or do you want me to >>> contribute directly to smalltalk hub repo ? >>> >>> I am new with pharo and morphic so please bare with me :) >> >> >> the Pharo3Inbox is only for code integrated in Pharo itself. The >> launcher won't be integrated in Pharo. I added you to the project >> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Launching-Pharo-on-Ubuntu-tp4709757p4710044.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting

by Goubier Thierry

Le 24/09/2013 16:50, Igor Stasenko a Ã©crit : > > > On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr > <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: > > I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. > > I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of > interesting. > > > i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it > should not lead to dnu but to some more > clear error message. Well, nil wasn't a protocol either in 2.0 but it was ignored :) > anyways, thanks for finding the bug I triggered it with aClass compile: 'test ^true' classified: nil notifying: nil :) There is also another behavior difference between 2.0 and 3.0: the protocol #'as yet unclassified' disappear when empty in 2.0 and it stays, even empty, in 2.0. Do you intend it that way? Regards, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013

Pharo Hangout Session! (next week, doodle poll)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, During last ESUG we talked a lot about how can we improve/support the participation of all members of the community in the development of Pharo. One of the ideas is to organize remote sprints managed through google-hangout and the irc channel. Basically, it should work like a regular sprint, but all the participants will be remote :) I created a poll to check when people can participate. http://doodle.com/bbbm9dd554c5x535 Cheers, Esteban

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pharo 3 is interesting

by Igor Stasenko

On 24 September 2013 15:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > I'm managing to get MNUs in Pharo 3.0 in a quite fun way. > > I've compiled methods with nil as protocol... The result is kind of > interesting. > i think it is because nil is no longer valid protocol. sure thing it should not lead to dnu but to some more clear error message. anyways, thanks for finding the bug > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by Goubier Thierry

Ok, corrected MarsWorkspace and lost my changes because, after hitting a bug in the Workspace menu, I killed the window and Pharo with it :O Looks like it's working, great work! Thierry Le 24/09/2013 16:03, Goubier Thierry a Ã©crit : > I changed it to libgtk-3.so.0 instead of libgtk-3.so.0.600.0 (on ubuntu > 13.04 it's libgtk-3.so.0.600.4 :)). > > However MarsTestRunner fail with a MNU: MarsListModel>>announce: and I'm > chasing a sizingPolicy nil in MarsLayout for MarsWorkspace > > Thierry > > Le 24/09/2013 15:28, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >> yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. >> >> but maybe you need to change the path. >> >> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> >> wrote: >> >>> I followed the instructions in another mail. >>> >>> Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>>> you need gtk3-devel? >>>> weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry >>>> <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Far. >>>>>> >>>>>> yes, we still need a lot of work. >>>>>> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By the way, is this the goal? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations >>>>>>> that a native binding >>>>>>> will not support. >>>>>> >>>>>> the objective is to have an alternative. >>>>>> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, >>>>>> etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) >>>>> >>>>> Oh, this is how you are doing it. >>>>> >>>>> I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required >>>>> libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. >>>>> >>>>> Thierry >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this >>>>>>>>> week. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont >>>>>>>>> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Carla, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by >>>>>>>>> jenkins server ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laurent >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio >>>>>>>>> <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my >>>>>>>>> blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. >>>>>>>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive >>>>>>>>> package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how >>>>>>>>> is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase >>>>>>>>> some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not >>>>>>>>> so different to the system browser example I showed before, but >>>>>>>>> the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any >>>>>>>>> feedback is appreciated! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Carla. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>>>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thierry Goubier >>>>> CEA list >>>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>>> France >>>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >> >> >> >> > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Esug-list] New Mars examples: Package Browser and Test Runner

by Goubier Thierry

I changed it to libgtk-3.so.0 instead of libgtk-3.so.0.600.0 (on ubuntu 13.04 it's libgtk-3.so.0.600.4 :)). However MarsTestRunner fail with a MNU: MarsListModel>>announce: and I'm chasing a sizingPolicy nil in MarsLayout for MarsWorkspace Thierry Le 24/09/2013 15:28, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > yes... if you have it (for 32bits), you should be ok. > > but maybe you need to change the path. > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > >> I followed the instructions in another mail. >> >> Basically, it fails trying to load libgtk3 >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 24/09/2013 15:18, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>> you need gtk3-devel? >>> weird... you should be ok without. We need to check that. >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 24/09/2013 15:09, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:05 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am wondering. How far are we from dropping Morphic for good? >>>>>> >>>>>> Far. >>>>> >>>>> yes, we still need a lot of work. >>>>> but I'm working on made a release so others can collaborate :) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> By the way, is this the goal? >>>>>> >>>>>> No I do not think so because they are plenty of experimentations that a native binding >>>>>> will not support. >>>>> >>>>> the objective is to have an alternative. >>>>> now, we are running morphs inside mars windows (with athens, etc.)... so there would not be a problem there :) >>>> >>>> Oh, this is how you are doing it. >>>> >>>> I tried Mars but my 64bits ubuntu makes installing the required libs (gtk3-devel) a bit harder than expected. >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope! I should learn how to do that :P I'll try to do it this week. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Carla, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> this is cool ! Is there a ready Pharo + Mars image built by jenkins server ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laurent >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>> I want to let you know that I've just posted a screencast in my blog about the new Mars Package Browser and Test Runner. >>>>>>>> These examples are not really intended as being the definitive package browser or test runner, but to start experiencing how is it to build a real application using Mars and to showcase some widgets. Anyway, it's cool :) The Package browser is not so different to the system browser example I showed before, but the Test Runner is definitely my favorite example so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I give more details in the screencast and the blog post. Any feedback is appreciated! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Carla. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thierry Goubier >>>> CEA list >>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>> France >>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > > > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Sept. 24, 2013